Elections Go Joe Biden!

[MikeMcMann]

@IGIT

I really think you are reading the situation wrong here


Obama won because people were sick of the status quo and he promised change
Trump one because he was like no candidate ever seen and people hoped for a change

Joe is like what vote for me and we can go back to your healthcare still being fucked up , your job leaving you behind , member when your wages sucked and we went all occupy wallstreet ... yea we can go back to that and your student debt too!!

Do you live in the rustbelt? You dont gotta tell me where if you dont want to just a yes or a no will do

Im hoping you say yes because if you do I want you to go to a bar in a working middle class section of town. I want you to try to convince a bunch of strangers to vote for a candidate that you yourself have no passion for. That is exactly the situation the entire country is going to be in should Biden win the election. Last time around I did this with Hillary at my local watering hole and I know exactly what its like to try to tell people to vote for a candidate that you hardly support , You just cant get people to get excited for something with pragmatism. I live in trump country but these people arent traditional republicans they are just tired of being/feeling screwed over and tired of being told to just hang in there things are gonna get better



The republicans can hammer at bernie for sure. But like @Anung Un Rama said he doesnt have to worry about battering trump right back. He can go back on rogan and explain that democratic socialism doesnt mean the gulag and that he is a capitalist and supports private property. He can use rogan or do it himself. We just have to get the man through the primary.

Lastly I kind of agree with you there is a good chance bernie cant get done what he wants to get done. But he can help guide the country that direction plus I think he is a good an honest man and thats kind of what we need right now.

I just dont see any chance of Joe Biden winning this election. I dont know anyone that is pumped to get out and vote for him . I want to win too, Trump and a FAR right court for the next generation concerns me a great deal.

^^This guy gets it.

Biden represents the status quo and is telling Dem bagmen that. Don't fear change under me.

He is a safe centrist in the vein of the past few decades safe centrists.

The very thing voters are rejecting even to try a madman like Trump. We will gamble with anything, anyone, who is not a safe centrist selling us the same old meaningless bullshit that does nothing.

Voters can be broken down into mostly two buckets. Those so disenfranchised by the game of politics and all it entails that they stay home (record numbers) and those who hold their nose and vote for the 'lesser of two evils'. However whenever a CHANGE candidate is floated who people actually hope will change things they get excited. Even if they cannot see the outcome as the person is chaotic.

Change is the main narrative of most elections now but most voters see them as empty words when said by guys like Biden. They dismiss them the second they hear them. That leaves him the 'hold the nose' vote only.

 

[IGIT]

hi MikeMcMann,

^^This guy gets it.

Biden represents the status quo and is telling Dem bagmen that. Don't fear change under me.

He is a safe centrist in the vein of the past few decades safe centrists.

The very thing voters are rejecting even to try a madman like Trump. We will gamble with anything, anyone, who is not a safe centrist selling us the same old meaningless bullshit that does nothing.

the average age of Americans is just shy of 40, so most voting folks are on the back 9 in life (and tend to lean towards less revolutionary policy proposals) - there are many Democrats who aren't as far left as you probably would like. they are out there...they just don't post here in the War Room.

there are also probably a few members of the GOP electorate that would be open to voting for Joe Biden, but wouldn't be receptive to Mr. Sanders or Mrs. Warren.

in either case, i think i'm the only one in the War Room who has taken a closer look at Mr. Biden's campaign promises. he seems to the left of Mr. Obama, who my right leaning friends described as a raging socialist.

so ya never know, Mike.

Voters can be broken down into mostly two buckets. Those so disenfranchised by the game of politics and all it entails that they stay home (record numbers) and those who hold their nose and vote for the 'lesser of two evils'. However whenever a CHANGE candidate is floated who people actually hope will change things they get excited. Even if they cannot see the outcome as the person is chaotic.

hope doesn't change things, though - having the votes in congress does...and controlling state legislatures changes things even more.

to me, Joe Biden represents a change from Donald Trump. that's change too, my friend.

- IGIT

 

[waiguoren]

@waiguoren, you called for it, thinking I would not waste my time getting such common footage of Trump.

Here are two posts by me that show scary and inexplicable levels of Trump derangement which are far worse than even a bad brain fart type incident. I mean I can offer that excuse for Biden or Trump not knowing where his dad was born but what excuse can you offer for my two prior posts now copied again for you below?

And really you can answer this, No need to duck...






Here it is



the lack of coherence is scary.


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How do you explain this?


How many Cat 5 per year does Trump have to deal with before he will stop telling us he does not think anyone, himself included has ever heard of a Cat5?

I mean it was just 4 months earlier he has also not heard of a Cat5.

This is crazy talk that would be ridiculed rightly by anyone else saying it.




Trump doesn't think he's 'ever even heard of a Category 5' hurricane. Four such storms have threatened the US since he took office

..."We don't even know what's coming at us. All we know is it's possibly the biggest. I have -- I'm not sure that I've ever even heard of a Category 5. I knew it existed. And I've seen some Category 4's -- you don't even see them that much," Trump said

..."But a Category 5 is something that -- I don't know that I've ever even heard the term other than I know it's there. That's the ultimate, and that's what we have unfortunately,"

...In September 2017, nearly eight months into Trump's presidency, Hurricane Irma, one of the strongest Atlantic basin hurricane ever recorded outside the Gulf of Mexico and the Caribbean Sea, affected at least nine US states. That same month, Hurricane Maria devastated the US territory of Puerto Rico, leaving behind an island that is still struggling to recover.
Last October, Hurricane Michael, which was originally designated as a Category 4, barreled into the Florida Panhandle as the third Category 5 hurricane to blast the US since Trump.

...In the days between the landfalls of Hurricane Irma and Maria, he said he "never even knew" they existed and said days later that "people (in Puerto Rico) had never seen anything like" the storm.
In October 2017, Trump claimed "nobody has ever heard of a (Category) 5 hitting land," and earlier this year, he again said he had never heard of a hurricane of that intensity.
While the US has seen a number of Category 5 storms in recent memory -- including Hurricane Katrina in 2005 -- scientists estimate that Atlantic hurricanes could become more common in the coming years.

I think the hurricane video you posted makes it clear Trump is talking about Category 5 storms making landfall. If I'm not mistaken that's extremely rare, so Trump was correct.

Category 5 is as powerful as a hurricane can get under the Saffir-Simpson scale. These monster storms pack wind speeds of 157 miles per hour or more. Since 1924, there have been 35 documented hurricanes in the North Atlantic that reached this level—and of those, five have hit the United States at Category 5 strength.

https://www.history.com/news/category-5-storms-hurricanes-united-states

As for the Pakman video: the first clip looks like Trump was extremely tired and/or off of his usual dose of uppers. I'd bet that Trump takes uppers as he has many of the tell-tale signs. That's unfortunate imo but it's a far cry from having dementia.

The later clip seems like his dentures are falling out or he's having some other kind of dental equipment malfunction.

None of this even comes close to forgetting President Obama's name (!) or to claiming to have been VP during the Parkland shooting and having met with the survivors. I've taken care of people with dementia before, and Biden is giving me flashbacks. Trump OTOH reminds me of some of the tweakers (speed addicts) I've met in my life.

Hilarious that our 2020 election might come down to Alzheimers vs. Amphetamines.

 

[AndroidRage]

Did you see the stats for the 2016 election? It was obvious that Democrats vote based on identity politics. Especially the minorities.

If the candidates are are both white male than the minority (on the democrat side) it’s will split and scattered. Enough that the minority vote is null and void into obscurity.

Thats pretty fucking stupid considering how Bernie Sanders has the most diverse base and has more minority support and working class support than any other democratic candidate.

 

[kenetics]

hi kenetics and good afternoon,

i voted for Mrs. Clinton over Mr. Trump, yes, like a majority of the voting public.

Yup. You have no creditability lol.

i feel at a loss at what i'm to do with the rest of my day now that i've lost credibility with you - somehow, i'll gird my loins and just soldier on.

- IGIT

 

[Holic]

Fuckin' kiddie toucher BETTER win. He's got what, all of the superdelegates voting for him already? I got $50 sunk straight into him on PredictIt.

 

[IGIT]

hi @kenetics,

well said.

succinctly put.

- IGIT

 

[MikeMcMann]

I think the hurricane video you posted makes it clear Trump is talking about Category 5 storms making landfall. If I'm not mistaken that's extremely rare, so Trump was correct. ...

Haha get the fuck out of here troll.

Trump says in 4 different videos that not only him but no one has heard of a Cat 5.

There is no question he is confused and not remembering but if you want to take it to the bet thread, ets do it. You make your case and I will make mine.

https://www.history.com/news/category-5-storms-hurricanes-united-states

As for the Pakman video: the first clip looks like Trump was extremely tired and/or off of his usual dose of uppers. I'd bet that Trump takes uppers as he has many of the tell-tale signs. That's unfortunate imo but it's a far cry from having dementia.

So your excuse is 'yes he appears deranged but I suspect its uppers... so he gets a pass'.

But you do not know he is a druggie and considering his disdain for alcohol due to his brothers death to that drug I doubt it. But what an excuse if you are right. 'He looks deranged but its drugs so therefore ...better than Biden'. FLOL

The later clip seems like his dentures are falling out or he's having some other kind of dental equipment malfunction.

it was confirmed after he did not wear dentures so again you are saying 'sure he sounds deranged and slurring but instead of Uppers I think its dentures... therefore still better than Biden'.

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None of this even comes close to forgetting President Obama's name (!) or to claiming to have been VP during the Parkland shooting and having met with the survivors. I've taken care of people with dementia before, and Biden is giving me flashbacks. Trump OTOH reminds me of some of the tweakers (speed addicts) I've met in my life.

Hilarious that our 2020 election might come down to Alzheimers vs. Amphetamines.

Ya you are just a troll or truly delusional. Trump forgetting his own fucking Fathers birth place is a wash for Biden's gaff.

Trump either being a druggie, as you say or showing severe dimension if not is far more serious. i don not know why you give him being a druggie a pass nor why you do not realize if you are wrong about the drugs then you walked Trump right into dementia.

Trump not having dentures and slurring his words also leads straight to dementia.

You have tried to give him two passes, 'he is a druggie with dentures' of which neither is proven true or likely true and the other option is dementia.

you lose.;

 

[MikeMcMann]

hi MikeMcMann,



the average age of Americans is just shy of 40, so most voting folks are on the back 9 in life (and tend to lean towards less revolutionary policy proposals) - there are many Democrats who aren't as far left as you probably would like. they are out there...they just don't post here in the War Room.

there are also probably a few members of the GOP electorate that would be open to voting for Joe Biden, but wouldn't be receptive to Mr. Sanders or Mrs. Warren.

in either case, i think i'm the only one in the War Room who has taken a closer look at Mr. Biden's campaign promises. he seems to the left of Mr. Obama, who my right leaning friends described as a raging socialist.

so ya never know, Mike.



hope doesn't change things, though - having the votes in congress does...and controlling state legislatures changes things even more.

to me, Joe Biden represents a change from Donald Trump. that's change too, my friend.

- IGIT

Hope does not change things. Agreed. Neither do the old guard legislators who are too old and addicted to donor money and its influence to ever try to change now to break that pattern of both parties being bought off to change around the edges only but no real change. Thus why Biden and Pelosi are giving the wink, wink, nudge, nudge don't worry to those who control politics from behind the scenes, ...'no real change coming'.


the big challenge they have is this new group is not as easily to assimilate as prior freshman classes were into the corrupt old ways. You cannot threaten them with 'comply or primary... how much do you like your seat?' And in fact this new class may primary the establishment.

So we will see how this plays out. In many ways I think the Dem party should have split, with Progressives moving to the Left. But that would likely give the Repub's a chance to hold power longer. So instead the Progressives will have to try and break the old guard while they try to do the same to the Progressives. If the old guard wins, voter engagement will continue to plummet more than it has as will voters view of Politicians being the scum of society.

Imagine that. Those elected to rule have become in the last few decades the most despised and entrusted amongst us. Sad. And the current party system will fight to the death to protect that which fostered that resentment. sigh.

 

[deviake]

heya Prince 'o Pain,

like i said, if you support a Green New Deal, SIngle Payer health care and free tuition at State College - terrific. i'm with you, but i don't think the time is now for that kinda stuff.

i believe its great grist for the mill in the Democratic Primary, and its going to hand Ruth Bader Ginsberg's seat to the GOP when they lose in the general.

- IGIT

Yeah, telling voters what can't be done and going centrist has really been a great strategy for the Democrats.

Things weren't great before Trump, which is what allowed him to take hold. Don't wanna learn this lesson? Great, then we're gonna get four more years of him.

Biden would be decimated by Trump and if you want Trump out you better hope Biden doesn't get the nomination. He's a loser just like Hillary.

With candidates like Biden you're just choosing between moderate and extreme Republicans.

 

[deviake]

No age concern Mr. IGIT?

No concern for the creepy Joe attack?

I am a bit confused why you think starting from a lower demand is a better negotiating position.

I am also confused how you could watch 8 years of Obama, and think the Republicans will work with Joe, no matter how centrist he is.

It makes no fucking sense whatsoever. I even scanned the thread a bit to see where the punchline was but it seems like he's serious.

So @IGIT, you think running a candidate with very similar politics to Hillary who is going to run the same uninspired campaign is a winning strategy after that exact strategy lost the election last go around? Is it groundhog day?

 

[IGIT]

No age concern Mr. IGIT?

No concern for the creepy Joe attack?

I am a bit confused why you think starting from a lower demand is a better negotiating position.

I am also confused how you could watch 8 years of Obama, and think the Republicans will work with Joe, no matter how centrist he is.

hola VivaRevolution,

sorry i missed this, i didn't mean to ignore your post.

i'm not concerned about charges that Joe Biden has sexually assaulted women or that he is a pedophile, no. i'll admit that may be a blind spot of mine, because to me those charges are so absurd that i haven't bothered to address posters on the topic.

i'm not concerned that he's old, either...though if it appears he's genuinely afflicted with the onset of dementia? that would be a problem.

*ponders*

i'll have to see about that. i'm not a neurologist so i'm not really qualified to make a call one way or another.

in terms of lowering my demand as a better negotiating position; i'm not really thinking in those terms. i'm just concluding that this man, Joe Biden, is probably more palatable to the voting public than Mrs. Warren or Mr. Sanders - he's the best chance to preserve RBG's seat with a left leaning Supreme Court Justice.

i'm also not thinking about how well the GOP will or won't work with Biden...though if they stonewall Biden, i figure they'll do the same for either Mrs. Warren or Mr. Sanders.

- IGIT

 

[xcvbn]

However, I will compromise with Warren because, while she takes corporate money, she's willing to at least speak the necessary language. Biden is just another neoliberal who bows to oligarchs. And he loses to Trump anyway.

May have spoke too soon:

 

[IGIT]

hi MikeMcMann,

the big challenge they have is this new group is not as easily to assimilate as prior freshman classes were into the corrupt old ways. You cannot threaten them with 'comply or primary... how much do you like your seat?' And in fact this new class may primary the establishment.

if you're talking about the House freshman beating the drum for single payer - they're late to the game. it was introduced by Representative Conyers back in 2003 and had the support of 37 House members. of course you could argue that the entire vote was just a puppet show, because Conyers and his fellow House members knew the measure would get squashed in the Senate anyway.

if that's the tact you're going to take, though, you could say the same thing about the energized freshmen House members who are beating the drum for single payer now - its easy to do, and there are no actual downsides to it, since they know such a measure would get killed in the senate now also.

i've gotten worn out by all these symbolic votes that the House routinely takes, whether they're made by the left or the right.

So we will see how this plays out. In many ways I think the Dem party should have split, with Progressives moving to the Left. But that would likely give the Repub's a chance to hold power longer. So instead the Progressives will have to try and break the old guard while they try to do the same to the Progressives. If the old guard wins, voter engagement will continue to plummet more than it has as will voters view of Politicians being the scum of society.

the "new" progressives, i think, will end up having as much influence on policy as the Freedom Caucus has had on the right. that is to say, not much, but they may end up nibbling a tiny bit around the edges.

Imagine that. Those elected to rule have become in the last few decades the most despised and entrusted amongst us. Sad. And the current party system will fight to the death to protect that which fostered that resentment. sigh.

like i said much earlier in this thread;

Mr. Biden isn't going to lower taxes on the superwealthy.
Mr. Biden isn't going to continue to dismantle the EPA.
Mr. Biden isn't going to pursue an erratic and chaotic foreign policy.
Mr. Biden isn't going to nominate folks that i find abhorrent to the SCOTUS.
Mr. Biden isn't going to populate his cabinet with folks who are utterly unqualified to serve.

that doesn't sound like the status quo to me. its change of a sort, just not the sweeping, revolutionary change that you pine for.

- IGIT

 

[IGIT]

It makes no fucking sense whatsoever. I even scanned the thread a bit to see where the punchline was but it seems like he's serious.

So @IGIT, you think running a candidate with very similar politics to Hillary who is going to run the same uninspired campaign is a winning strategy after that exact strategy lost the election last go around? Is it groundhog day?

heya there deviake,

do you know why Mr. Obama's policies were so centrist (he too was once a believer in single payer)?

because that's the makeup of the country.

the country isn't the War Room. the country isn't those filthy, utterly uninformed morons who marched in Occupy Wall Street (i fed those bozos when they were in charlotte and marched alongside of them, and, unfortunately, i spoke to alot of them. they did not know what they were talking about. at all.)

Hillary didn't lose due to her policies. the average voter is too fucking stupid to take the time to digest policy (pardon my profanity). she lost because of the perception that she was the most corrupt, untrustworthy politician that ever walked upon God's green earth - and that's it.

- IGIT

PS - if it comes across that i'm angry at you, i'm not at all.

 

[VivaRevolution]

hola VivaRevolution,

sorry i missed this, i didn't mean to ignore your post.

i'm not concerned about charges that Joe Biden has sexually assaulted women or that he is a pedophile, no. i'll admit that may be a blind spot of mine, because to me those charges are so absurd that i haven't bothered to address posters on the topic.

i'm not concerned that he's old, either...though if it appears he's genuinely afflicted with the onset of dementia? that would be a problem.

*ponders*

i'll have to see about that. i'm not a neurologist so i'm not really qualified to make a call one way or another.

in terms of lowering my demand as a better negotiating position; i'm not really thinking in those terms. i'm just concluding that this man, Joe Biden, is probably more palatable to the voting public than Mrs. Warren or Mr. Sanders - he's the best chance to preserve RBG's seat with a left leaning Supreme Court Justice.

i'm also not thinking about how well the GOP will or won't work with Biden...though if they stonewall Biden, i figure they'll do the same for either Mrs. Warren or Mr. Sanders.

- IGIT

It doesn't matter if the creepy Joe attack is true, it matters if it sticks.

As far as I can tell the more left economic positions Bernie and Warren have taken are pretty popular.

I think you are worried that once Fox news starts calling Medicare for all a Nazi death camp, that these things will become more unpopular, but I'm not sure what is more unpopular then claims of pedophilia, real or false.

 

[IGIT]

It doesn't matter if the creepy Joe attack is true, it matters if it sticks.

As far as I can tell the more left economic positions Bernie and Warren have taken are pretty popular.

I think you are worried that once Fox news starts calling Medicare for all a Nazi death camp, that these things will become more unpopular, but I'm not sure what is more unpopular then claims of pedophilia, real or false.

hi Viva,

if the charge that Joe Biden is a pedophile sticks, then i gotta figure that the equally ludicrous charge that Bernie Sanders hates America can be made to stick also.

in which case, it'll be four more years of Mr. Trump and a SCOTUS that's going to make me incredibly unhappy.

- IGIT

 

[VivaRevolution]

hi Viva,

if the charge that Joe Biden is a pedophile sticks, then i gotta figure that the equally ludicrous charge that Bernie Sanders hates America will stick also.

in which case, it'll be four more years of Mr. Trump and a SCOTUS that's going to make me incredibly unhappy.

- IGIT

Yeah it does with certain people.

But what are you selling them?

What are you offering to get them to vote for you?

Let them call it "free shit" all they want. Republicans are shaking in their boots that they can't offer medical care or canceling college debt for voting for them.

He has a wall IGIT. Offer something better than a wall, and you will win.

 

[evansusmc2]

hiya evansusmc2,

yes, because brown and black people, in an absence of a brown or black candidate, will be split and half of them will vote for Mr. Trump.

that's a bad analysis, no disrespect.

- IGIT

Feel free to look up the stats from the last election. Then feel free to come back and edit your post.

 

[evansusmc2]

Thats pretty fucking stupid considering how Bernie Sanders has the most diverse base and has more minority support and working class support than any other democratic candidate.

Than why did he LOSE? Where was his support then? You tell me what’s “pretty fucking stupid”.