Glenn Greenwald Charged With "Cyber Crimes" in Brazil

[The Catch-Wrestler]

I would like to clarify a couples of things as someone who was raised in Brazil, has a decent understanding of Brazilian law and is still closely watching Brazil despite hating the place. Here are a few crucial information that are often omitted/ignored/unknown by the international media.

1 - There was no leak

The messages came from an elaborated hacker attack that successfully targeted a number of journalists, police officers, prosecutors, judges, members of the executive and even a few Supreme Court justices cellphones. The hackers were arrested and are facing charges. Hacking members of the executive is considered an attack on national security so they are fucked.​

2 - It's against the law to use, profit, publish or reproduce anything that was illegally obtained.

And no, this doesn't exclude the media. Glenn was directly contacted by one of the hackers and was aware he would be publishing hacked information.
Glenn tried to colab with a few big name journalists before releasing the messages on his website. None, including the most important TV channel (mostly progressive btw) wanted any part of it because of legal implications.​

3 - Judges and prosecutors are one the same side

This is a peculiar thing about the legal system in Brazil. The whole process that makes the trial court involves constant communication between judge and prosecution. This collaboration is fundamental, the State is represented by both the prosecutor and the judge and they work together and are literally side-by-side during the trial. The judge advise the prosecution on how to make the case stronger and is often deeply involved in the cases. That means the content of those messages published by The Intercept Brasil aren't against the rules. They are however not kosher as these communications should be official and never via Telegram. Their mistake was being way too informal but that's more a sign of our times than anything else.
​

4 - Glenn has a very limited understanding of Brazil

It's actually painful to witness how little he knows, specially regarding politics, laws and the judiciary system. He barely speaks the fucking language and he got himself in deep shit because he's talking about things he doesn't understand.

​

The following is my opinion so take it as you wish.

There's a famous saying in Brazil that goes like this "This country is not for amateurs". Meaning, if you're naive you're fucked. I don't doubt Glenn believes he's fighting the good fight. I don't doubt for a second he believes Lula is innocent as he claims. It's actually pretty obvious he thinks he's on the right side of history but I'm afraid he's being played like a fiddle. He's either too involved or too naive to see it. He is surrounded by hardcore cult like leftists that defend Lula like he's their god. Even his husband is like that so Glenn's involvement in this case is not a mere coincidence. He's the perfect guy for their dirty work. FFS the hacker only had Glenn's cellphone because the former VP candidate Manuela Davilla (Communist Party) gave it to him. This is a fact btw, there's evidence and admissions that it happened. Imagine Tim Kaine collaborating with the people that hacked FBI investigators, judges, supreme court justices, homeland security staff and so on. The unethical levels of Brazilian left is out of this world, they will do anything to return to power. Glenn is just a pawn, they don't give a shit about him.

Informative. Thanks for contributing your insight.

P.S. And only mildly on topic - Twitter is a shithole and the world would be a better place without it.

 

[Pseudo Sane]

I would like to clarify a couples of things as someone who was raised in Brazil, has a decent understanding of Brazilian law and is still closely watching Brazil despite hating the place. Here are a few crucial information that are often omitted/ignored/unknown by the international media.

1 - There was no leak

The messages came from an elaborated hacker attack that successfully targeted a number of journalists, police officers, prosecutors, judges, members of the executive and even a few Supreme Court justices cellphones. The hackers were arrested and are facing charges. Hacking members of the executive is considered an attack on national security so they are fucked.​

2 - It's against the law to use, profit, publish or reproduce anything that was illegally obtained.

And no, this doesn't exclude the media. Glenn was directly contacted by one of the hackers and was aware he would be publishing hacked information.
Glenn tried to colab with a few big name journalists before releasing the messages on his website. None, including the most important TV channel (mostly progressive btw) wanted any part of it because of legal implications.​

3 - Judges and prosecutors are one the same side

This is a peculiar thing about the legal system in Brazil. The whole process that makes the trial court involves constant communication between judge and prosecution. This collaboration is fundamental, the State is represented by both the prosecutor and the judge and they work together and are literally side-by-side during the trial. The judge advise the prosecution on how to make the case stronger and is often deeply involved in the cases. That means the content of those messages published by The Intercept Brasil aren't against the rules. They are however not kosher as these communications should be official and never via Telegram. Their mistake was being way too informal but that's more a sign of our times than anything else.
​

4 - Glenn has a very limited understanding of Brazil

It's actually painful to witness how little he knows, specially regarding politics, laws and the judiciary system. He barely speaks the fucking language and he got himself in deep shit because he's talking about things he doesn't understand.

​

The following is my opinion so take it as you wish.

There's a famous saying in Brazil that goes like this "This country is not for amateurs". Meaning, if you're naive you're fucked. I don't doubt Glenn believes he's fighting the good fight. I don't doubt for a second he believes Lula is innocent as he claims. It's actually pretty obvious he thinks he's on the right side of history but I'm afraid he's being played like a fiddle. He's either too involved or too naive to see it. He is surrounded by hardcore cult like leftists that defend Lula like he's their god. Even his husband is like that so Glenn's involvement in this case is not a mere coincidence. He's the perfect guy for their dirty work. FFS the hacker only had Glenn's cellphone because the former VP candidate Manuela Davilla (Communist Party) gave it to him. This is a fact btw, there's evidence and admissions that it happened. Imagine Tim Kaine collaborating with the people that hacked FBI investigators, judges, supreme court justices, homeland security staff and so on. The unethical levels of Brazilian left is out of this world, they will do anything to return to power. Glenn is just a pawn, they don't give a shit about him.

Hmm. If this is all correct, then I look forward to Mr. Greenwald's riveting expose on life inside a Brazilian prison, to be released in 5-10 years.

 

[MVelsor]

The guy is too brave for his own good. I’ve been legit concerned for his safety.

we don't want to see him arrested. we don't want to see him jailed. we don't want to see him tortured. we want him to be left alone. we want him to live a long and fulfilling life, and to play lots of tennis, and continue to live in his gated community in South America.

It sounds pretty miserable.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/glenn-greenwald-on-brazils-charges-against-him/amp

"Neither my husband, nor I, nor our children have left our house in the last year without armed security, armored vehicles, teams of security. We get death threats all the time. Our private lives have been dug through in the most invasive ways. Every one of our friends has been offered money to either reveal things about our private lives or make up lies about our private lives. Obviously, the threats of imprisonment.

It has been every single kind of threat imaginable, and it really goes back to 2018 when one of our best friends, Marielle Franco, the black LGBT city councilwoman, was savagely assassinated in a crime that the Bolsonaro family has subsequently become linked to. So there has been political violence and intimidation in the air for a long time, and we have become the main target of a lot of it."

 

[Hollywood Jack]

ahoy Homer,

i'm going to start feeling guilty.

nobody (at least i think nobody) wants to see Mr. Greenwald hectored and persecuted by the Brazilian government - and Greenwald has done some great and meaningful work as a journalist.

that being said, it seems weird to not take a look at his more recent work over the past three years.

it seems unfair to give Mr. Greenwald a pass because of his work with Mr. Snowden and his excellent writing for Salon years and years ago.

nowadays, one of the Mr. Greenwald's chief gigs is guest appearing on Fox, where he mocks the investigation into Russia's interference with the 2016 election as a "hoax". he's a useful pet, craftily sliding into the seat that Chris Hitchens once occupied (when Hitch performed as the useful lefty pet, put on air to defend President Bush's foreign adventures).
all of this is after the 2016 election, during which Greenwald steadfastly maintained that Hillary Clinton was the worst human being in the history of human beings.

it was Greenwald who (idiotically) went on Fox in the spring of 2019, claiming that Mueller had vindicated Trump (!) and the Democrats had failed, since "they put all their eggs in one basket"...which is absolutely moronic. lol. the Democrats didn't run against President Trump in the midterms, or run on impeachment . they ran on healthcare and took back the House.

some of us have grown weary of Mr. Greenwald's current schtick. we don't want to see him arrested. we don't want to see him jailed. we don't want to see him tortured. we want him to be left alone. we want him to live a long and fulfilling life, and to play lots of tennis, and continue to live in his gated community in South America.

but there is a weariness, when it comes to Mr. Greenwald.

aye.

- IGIT

With all due respect, I think it's dumb to make a direct comparison between Hitchens working with the neocons to promote interventionism and Greenwald using a large platform to promote the exact opposite.

 

[Brazilian HKD]

It sounds pretty miserable.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/glenn-greenwald-on-brazils-charges-against-him/amp

"Neither my husband, nor I, nor our children have left our house in the last year without armed security, armored vehicles, teams of security. We get death threats all the time. Our private lives have been dug through in the most invasive ways. Every one of our friends has been offered money to either reveal things about our private lives or make up lies about our private lives. Obviously, the threats of imprisonment.

It has been every single kind of threat imaginable, and it really goes back to 2018 when one of our best friends, Marielle Franco, the black LGBT city councilwoman, was savagely assassinated in a crime that the Bolsonaro family has subsequently become linked to. So there has been political violence and intimidation in the air for a long time, and we have become the main target of a lot of it."

The Marielle case had no proof of the bolsonary family involvement. Greenwald is more of a political tool for his husband than a journalist when dealing with brazilian matters. The issue is so personal to him that is hard to take him seriously as a supposed impartial observer.

 

[Brazilian HKD]

I would like to clarify a couples of things as someone who was raised in Brazil, has a decent understanding of Brazilian law and is still closely watching Brazil despite hating the place. Here are a few crucial information that are often omitted/ignored/unknown by the international media.

1 - There was no leak

The messages came from an elaborated hacker attack that successfully targeted a number of journalists, police officers, prosecutors, judges, members of the executive and even a few Supreme Court justices cellphones. The hackers were arrested and are facing charges. Hacking members of the executive is considered an attack on national security so they are fucked.​

2 - It's against the law to use, profit, publish or reproduce anything that was illegally obtained.

And no, this doesn't exclude the media. Glenn was directly contacted by one of the hackers and was aware he would be publishing hacked information.
Glenn tried to colab with a few big name journalists before releasing the messages on his website. None, including the most important TV channel (mostly progressive btw) wanted any part of it because of legal implications.​

3 - Judges and prosecutors are one the same side

This is a peculiar thing about the legal system in Brazil. The whole process that makes the trial court involves constant communication between judge and prosecution. This collaboration is fundamental, the State is represented by both the prosecutor and the judge and they work together and are literally side-by-side during the trial. The judge advise the prosecution on how to make the case stronger and is often deeply involved in the cases. That means the content of those messages published by The Intercept Brasil aren't against the rules. They are however not kosher as these communications should be official and never via Telegram. Their mistake was being way too informal but that's more a sign of our times than anything else.
​

4 - Glenn has a very limited understanding of Brazil

It's actually painful to witness how little he knows, specially regarding politics, laws and the judiciary system. He barely speaks the fucking language and he got himself in deep shit because he's talking about things he doesn't understand.

​

The following is my opinion so take it as you wish.

There's a famous saying in Brazil that goes like this "This country is not for amateurs". Meaning, if you're naive you're fucked. I don't doubt Glenn believes he's fighting the good fight. I don't doubt for a second he believes Lula is innocent as he claims. It's actually pretty obvious he thinks he's on the right side of history but I'm afraid he's being played like a fiddle. He's either too involved or too naive to see it. He is surrounded by hardcore cult like leftists that defend Lula like he's their god. Even his husband is like that so Glenn's involvement in this case is not a mere coincidence. He's the perfect guy for their dirty work. FFS the hacker only had Glenn's cellphone because the former VP candidate Manuela Davilla (Communist Party) gave it to him. This is a fact btw, there's evidence and admissions that it happened. Imagine Tim Kaine collaborating with the people that hacked FBI investigators, judges, supreme court justices, homeland security staff and so on. The unethical levels of Brazilian left is out of this world, they will do anything to return to power. Glenn is just a pawn, they don't give a shit about him.

This is pretty accurate.

 

[IGIT]

With all due respect, I think it's dumb to make a direct comparison between Hitchens working with the neocons to promote interventionism and Greenwald using a large platform to promote the exact opposite.

hello and good morning Jackie Blue,

the thing is, Mr. Greenwald isn't trotted onto Mr. Carlson's show to support neocon foreign policy; that was the role that was assigned to Mr. Hitchens.

Mr. Greenwald has a different job at Fox. its to mock and ridicule the notion that members of the Trump administration/campaign team colluded with foreign interests to upend the 2016 election. its to feed into the deep state paranoia that the current POTUS regularly cites.

he is using his platform on Fox, basically, to put a fig leaf over the Trump campaign team's conduct. conduct that has resulted in 34 guilty pleas thus far.

i think its fair of me to bring up what Mr. Greenwald has been using his airtime for, on Fox.

- IGIT

 

[IGIT]

It sounds pretty miserable.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/glenn-greenwald-on-brazils-charges-against-him/amp

"Neither my husband, nor I, nor our children have left our house in the last year without armed security, armored vehicles, teams of security. We get death threats all the time. Our private lives have been dug through in the most invasive ways. Every one of our friends has been offered money to either reveal things about our private lives or make up lies about our private lives. Obviously, the threats of imprisonment.

It has been every single kind of threat imaginable, and it really goes back to 2018 when one of our best friends, Marielle Franco, the black LGBT city councilwoman, was savagely assassinated in a crime that the Bolsonaro family has subsequently become linked to. So there has been political violence and intimidation in the air for a long time, and we have become the main target of a lot of it."

hello MVelsor,

it does sound horrific.

maybe Glenn and his husband should return to the United States (journalists are targeted here too, of course, but it happens more rarely).

the US now recognizes gay marriage, so there's no need to flee his home country any longer.

- IGIT

 

[IGIT]

With all due respect, I think it's dumb to make a direct comparison between Hitchens working with the neocons to promote interventionism and Greenwald using a large platform to promote the exact opposite.

hello again Jackie Blue,

i have no bone to pick with you. i've read your posts in the past and my enduring impression is that i feel pretty copacetic with your worldview - so please don't interpret this as a personal attack.

this is Glenn "anti-neocon" Greenwald, in his own words;

I had not abandoned my trust in the Bush administration.

Between the president's performance in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, the swift removal of the Taliban in Afghanistan, and the fact that I wanted the president to succeed, because my loyalty is to my country and he was the leader of my country, I still gave the administration the benefit of the doubt.

I believed then that the president was entitled to have his national security judgment deferred to, and to the extent that I was able to develop a definitive view, I accepted his judgment that American security really would be enhanced by the invasion of this sovereign country.
- Greenwald, "How a Patriot Should Act", 2006

Greenwald, while very critical of the Bush administration's overreach regarding its surveillance of US citizens, was supportive of W. Bush's war.

- IGIT

 

[Hollywood Jack]

hello and good morning Jackie Blue,

the thing is, Mr. Greenwald isn't trotted onto Mr. Carlson's show to support neocon foreign policy; that was the role that was assigned to Mr. Hitchens.

Mr. Greenwald has a different job at Fox. its to mock and ridicule the notion that members of the Trump administration/campaign team colluded with foreign interests to upend the 2016 election. its to feed into the deep state paranoia that the current POTUS regularly cites.

he is using his platform on Fox, basically, to put a fig leaf over the Trump campaign team's conduct. conduct that has resulted in 34 guilty pleas thus far.

i think its fair of me to bring up what Mr. Greenwald has been using his airtime for, on Fox.

- IGIT

Fair enough. But I think that Greenwald is using the platform to promote something which is fundamentally good whereas Hitchens was doing the opposite. It's a matter of philosophy and morality which we can disagree on, but that is my position.

 

[Hollywood Jack]

hello again Jackie Blue,

i have no bone to pick with you. i've read your posts in the past and my enduring impression is that i feel pretty copacetic with your worldview - so please don't interpret this as a personal attack.

this is Glenn "anti-neocon" Greenwald, in his own words;

I had not abandoned my trust in the Bush administration.

Between the president's performance in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, the swift removal of the Taliban in Afghanistan, and the fact that I wanted the president to succeed, because my loyalty is to my country and he was the leader of my country, I still gave the administration the benefit of the doubt.

I believed then that the president was entitled to have his national security judgment deferred to, and to the extent that I was able to develop a definitive view, I accepted his judgment that American security really would be enhanced by the invasion of this sovereign country.
- Greenwald, "How a Patriot Should Act", 2006

Greenwald, while very critical of the Bush administration's overreach regarding its surveillance of US citizens, was supportive of W. Bush's war.

- IGIT

Sure. But even back then, Greenwald was contrasting and comparing with his former self and the portion of that excerpt which you posted does not provide full context. Greenwald now has a more knowledgeable and sophisticated understanding of such matters. As Tony Judt used to say, when the facts change...

 

[IGIT]

Sure. But even back then, Greenwald was contrasting and comparing with his former self and the portion of that excerpt which you posted does not provide full context. Greenwald now has a more knowledgeable and sophisticated understanding of such matters. As Tony Judt used to say, when the facts change...

hello Jackie Blue,

yes, Glenn was referring to his former self in that passage.

you know what they say about hindsight, though...

*muses*

its actually kind of interesting. if you use the iraq war as a metric, Bernie is to the left of Greenwald on foreign policy. lol.

- IGIT

 

[Hollywood Jack]

hello Jackie Blue,

yes, Glenn was referring to his former self in that passage.

you know what they say about hindsight, though...

*muses*

its actually kind of interesting. if you use the iraq war as a metric, Bernie is to the left of Greenwald on foreign policy. lol.

- IGIT

Not suprising, really. Bernie is probably to the left across the board of Glenn Greenwald and most Americans, including myself. Philosophically, he's probably a pure socialist, but policy wise he's more of a social democrat.

 

[SRN]

​

hiya SRN,

i'd read in the New Republic that Mr. Greenwald is on tape, directing the hackers as they went about their business.

is this illegal in Brazil? if so, what kind of penalties could Mr. Greenwald face?

and, if it is illegal in Brazil, why did Federal Investigators clear Mr. Greenwald initially?

- IGIT

Hey dude,

Yes it is illegal and the hacker Glenn kept communication with made a deal to talk everything he knows about the case so this should get really fucking interesting. I'm particularly interested in who ordered those hacking attacks.

It sounds pretty miserable.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/glenn-greenwald-on-brazils-charges-against-him/amp

"Neither my husband, nor I, nor our children have left our house in the last year without armed security, armored vehicles, teams of security. We get death threats all the time. Our private lives have been dug through in the most invasive ways. Every one of our friends has been offered money to either reveal things about our private lives or make up lies about our private lives. Obviously, the threats of imprisonment.

It has been every single kind of threat imaginable, and it really goes back to 2018 when one of our best friends, Marielle Franco, the black LGBT city councilwoman, was savagely assassinated in a crime that the Bolsonaro family has subsequently become linked to. So there has been political violence and intimidation in the air for a long time, and we have become the main target of a lot of it."

The second paragraph is such a load of shit! There was no connection between Bolsonaro and Marielle's death, it's pretty disgusting that he said that.

 

[Pseudo Sane]

Hey dude,

Yes it is illegal and the hacker Glenn kept communication with made a deal to talk everything he knows about the case so this should get really fucking interesting. I'm particularly interested in who ordered those hacking attacks.



The second paragraph is such a load of shit! There was no connection between Bolsonaro and Marielle's death, it's pretty disgusting that he said that.

Greenwald's really playing with fire. Bolsonaro doesn't fuck around.

 

[MVelsor]

The US now recognizes gay marriage

 

[Alphafail]

Julian Assange.

My statement still stands.

 

[Rod1]

My statement still stands.

Indeed, but not because of this case.

 

[ultramanhyata]

The guy is too brave for his own good. I’ve been legit concerned for his safety.

Don't worry. If Bolsonaro dared to do something crazy like secretly order Glenn's abduction and murder he knows President Trump would reign fire and the entire weight of the USA down on his head. You just don't kill a member of the press in cold blood on Donny's watch. No way Bolsonaro is going to risk that.

Spoiler

 

[jrams]

ahoy Homer,

i'm going to start feeling guilty.

nobody (at least i think nobody) wants to see Mr. Greenwald hectored and persecuted by the Brazilian government - and Greenwald has done some great and meaningful work as a journalist.

that being said, it seems weird to not take a look at his more recent work over the past three years.

it seems unfair to give Mr. Greenwald a pass because of his work with Mr. Snowden and his excellent writing for Salon years and years ago.

nowadays, one of the Mr. Greenwald's chief gigs is guest appearing on Fox, where he mocks the investigation into Russia's interference with the 2016 election as a "hoax". he's a useful pet, craftily sliding into the seat that Chris Hitchens once occupied (when Hitch performed as the useful lefty pet, put on air to defend President Bush's foreign adventures).
all of this is after the 2016 election, during which Greenwald steadfastly maintained that Hillary Clinton was the worst human being in the history of human beings.

it was Greenwald who (idiotically) went on Fox in the spring of 2019, claiming that Mueller had vindicated Trump (!) and the Democrats had failed, since "they put all their eggs in one basket"...which is absolutely moronic. lol. the Democrats didn't run against President Trump in the midterms, or run on impeachment . they ran on healthcare and took back the House.

some of us have grown weary of Mr. Greenwald's current schtick. we don't want to see him arrested. we don't want to see him jailed. we don't want to see him tortured. we want him to be left alone. we want him to live a long and fulfilling life, and to play lots of tennis, and continue to live in his gated community in South America.

but there is a weariness, when it comes to Mr. Greenwald.

aye.

- IGIT

This is gross partisanship.