Getting reversed when iv got the back..advice needed

[Slippyj***]

As the title says, i am having trouble with keeping the back when i get it.

Guys are able to roll and end up in my guard all the time. Im not great when guys take my back either. Its weird because i often dominate in all other positions but iv got some sort of mental blindspot with this.

Any advice/videos/links that may help?

 

[newerest]

What grip do you have? Do you have any grip?

are you on top of them when they're on their knees?

are you on their back but your back is on the mat?

Are you on their back but your butt is on the mat?

are they using the same escape?

 

[Slippyj***]

What grip do you have? Do you have any grip?

are you on top of them when they're on their knees?

are you on their back but your back is on the mat?

Are you on their back but your butt is on the mat?

are they using the same escape?

My back is on the mat, iv got my hooks in. Dont know what im doing with my arms to be honest..(i would assume that that is a big part of the problem)

Also this is no-gi.

Literally, its like they can always turn into me.

 

[PointyShinyBurn]

Dont know what im doing with my arms to be honest..(i would assume that that is a big part of the problem)

Try doing this with them:

 

[codemonkey76]

Think about keeping your chest pinned to the middle of their back, use your chin over the top of their collar bone area to help hold the position as well as your harness / seatbelt grip.

 

[codemonkey76]

Try doing this with them:

Only thing I would change in the picture, is put your chin forward more and pinch it down to lock in the shoulder and make a fist with the top hand and hide the fist with the hand coming from under the armpit, so if they peel the bottom hand off you will be able to sink the choke.

 

[karma2burn]

Only thing I would change in the picture, is put your chin forward more and pinch it down to lock in the shoulder and make a fist with the top hand and hide the fist with the hand coming from under the armpit, so if they peel the bottom hand off you will be able to sink the choke.

Heh, I just got back from class and we were drilling this exact position and setup. My instructor made this same point about having the underhook hand on top of the choking hand so that if they peeled that off you could go right for the choke.

 

[newerest]

Also, pinch your elbows together when you have the over under.

 

[Fedorzilla]

Wrist control (see the right hand/arm in the pic below)

 

[The_Duder]

Hooks, hooks, and more hooks. Without control of the lower body, you will not be able to control the upper body. Hooks - Then all else.

 

[Davii]

Also..

hooks need to be active, at 90 degrees and putting pressure in the right area. As in, just placing your feet somewhere over there by his groin =/= hooks. (same concept from butterfly). I see this mistake a lot from beginners.

 

[SteelHammer]

if he turns one way be ready to pull his elbow on the other side to stop his turn. Also, when he's on his stomach and you're on top it's impossible for him to turn over when you have your hooks in, because the floor isn't there to stop you from turning with him. If you can finish a choke from on top without getting flipped over his head, and without crossing your ankles (when he's stomach-down it's really easy for him to tap you if you cross your ankles), then there's not much he can do

 

[Shemhazai]

1. Seatbelt control. Codemonkey's points are excellent - also, keep your choke side elbow slightly behind your opponent until you are ready to shoot for the choke. This makes the seatbelt tighter, and most of the escapes to that side very difficult. Also, it makes it more likely that any grabbing of the hands will only get him the non-choking hand, allowing you to shoot for the RNC.

2. Hooks are secondary, IMO. You should almost never release the seatbelt to attack the neck before you have lower body control in place, but it's usually more important to get the seatbelt first than it is to get the hooks . Even if you only have the seatbelt, you can use it to follow the opponent wherever he goes, transitioning to hooks, the crucifix or even North-South and mount.

3. If you want to hit the RNC consistently against guys with decent defense, and you don't want to rely on attacking in transition, learn the various ways of trapping his arms from back control. I personally like to trap one arm with a leg and the other with wrist control - MGinaction shows a lot of good ways to achieve this.

 

[LimitlessPain]

This may seem minor and silly but it helped me a bunch when my instructor told me to pull my feet towards my own butt when I get my hooks as opposed to trying to push them out against his thighs. It's a minor difference, but it helped me tremendously. I've found it keeps them tighter to my body.

 

[Shemhazai]

I like to step on my opponent's hip with my top foot (when lying to either side), basically stomping down to prevent him from bridging. Cobrinha does this all the time. The other hook can either grapevine his bottom leg or come across the belly, depending on which side we're on.

 

[randomg1t]

all excellent points here, i'd just like to suggest to use the underhooking hand to hold the wrist on the overhooking hand when in seatbelt control. that way they can't grab the wrist of the arm you're choking with and so when you shoot it up for the choke you have a much better chance of finishing.

 

[DrKimura]

Seriously, this video should completely solve your problem. Watch it, it explains the exact thing you're talking about. Essentially, when you cross your legs, even for a split second, you form a circle with your legs which allows the person to spin out. And don't say you NEVER cross your legs, because even BJ does

 

[xPINKx]

You cross your legs when backmounting me - I tap you and maybe hurt your leg. Do not do it!

 

[Thorpedo]

During the mendes brothers seminar i went to last night, they were talking about a variation to the grip shown on the 1st page.

They prefer using your under hand to grab your over hands wrist as opposed to more traditional grip, seemed to work quite well when i tried it

 

[randomg1t]

i like the gracie breakdown analysis but is anyone else bothered by the way these guys present it? something about them just rubs me the wrong way.