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Georges St-Pierre is the best finisher at 170. Or is it Woodley?

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  1. pankrat Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    As conservative as both GSP and Woodley were when defending their belt. Who has a better top5 finishes at 170?

    - Georges St-Pierre: Hughes, BJ, Sherk, Serra, Trigg
    - Tyron Woodley: Lawler, Kim, Till, Koscheck, Condit

    Carlos Condit: Rory, Kim, Kampman, Hardy, Trigg
    Matt Hughes: GSP, BJ, Newton, Sakurai, Trigg
    Demian Maia: Askren, Kim, Story, Condit, Magny

    > The only ones with 5 finishes on ranked competition at 170, that I can recall.
    Other standout finishers:

    Hendricks: Fitch, Kampmann, Brenneman, Sadollah, Waldburger
    Nick Diaz: Lawler, Daley, Zaromskis, Cyborg, Sakurai*
    Masvidal: Askren, Till, Nate, Cerrone, Ellenberger*
    Pele Landi: Hughes, Miletich, Patino, Cyborg, Monteiro
    Lawler: Rory, Koscheck, Ellenberger, Voelker, Berger
    Alves: Hughes, Lyttle, Parisian, Mein, Hironaka
    Ellenberger: Shields, Koscheck, Marquardt, Brown, Pelé Landi (* most washed up)
    Wonderboy: Hendricks, Whittaker, Ellenberger, Clements, Stittgen?
    ...

    > Usman barely puts toguether a recognizable list of top5 finishes. Fitch and Shields don't qualify neither.

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  2. TR1 Red Belt

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    Serra, Trigg and BJ are "top WW finishes" lol?

    That is being generous, to put it mildly.
     
  3. Garnet_StrongerThanYou Black Belt

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    GSP is a vicious finisher when he is in the contender position.

    he finished all of his title fights where he wanted a belt.

    He just doesn’t finish as a champion. He prefers to play it safe when defending the belt.
     
  4. pankrat Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    Would not any of them easily qualify as top3 in the list of anybody else at 170? Specially BJ.
     
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    Ruthless Robbie Lawler!
     
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    Two of them are former WW Champs.
     
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    At 170, he only finished Ellenberger and Rory
     
  8. TR1 Red Belt

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    No?

    Serra accomplished nothing save knocking GSP out. GSP getting revenge on a loss he never should have had is not impressive.

    BJ has one top win at WW, and lost there otherwise.

    Trigg was mediocre at best. Everytime he lost he was finished as well.
     
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    Also Koscheck and Voelker.
     
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    Masvidal-Ben, Till,Diaz, Cerrone and Ellenbueger
     
  11. pankrat Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    You can downplay them as much as you wish but whenever prime Trigg got finished, it earned a tittle shot, a tittle eliminator or gold. How many times have prime Serra and BJ been finished?

    Not many people has finished 5 opponents in tittle contention at 170. Tell me who they are.
     
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    You already know the answer to this thread, TS, don't kid yourself.
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  13. blaseblah Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    Woodley did it in a smaller span of fights. I don't consider either of them great finishers but Woodley was better.
     
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    Look, I'm a massive GSP's fan. I think he's actually underrated as a finisher (he finished Bisping, something a clean Anderoid Silva couldn't do), but you gotta look at that honestly:

    Even tho Hughes and Penn are way better on the "all-time Great lists" (Hughes is the second best WW of all time and top 15 MMA fighters of all-time and Penn is 2nd or 3rd best LW of all-time), Lawler is the real prize here. Lawler at this point was legally unkillable, and was himself murking people left and right before becoming champion. He was a legendary monster who had a win against fellow legendary monster Johnny Hendricks. His chin was made of stones, just as his fists, feet, knees and elbows. He was somewhat of a tough dude.

    What I am saying is that Wood's K.O. of Lawler is the highlight of Wood's career, and maybe even the highlight of his entire goddamn life lol
    And it gives him the win here. (GSP is still >>>>>>> T-Wood tho. GSP is the GOAT; T-Wood is behind GSP, Hughes, Shields, and Usman.)

    I'd argue that the best GSP's finish was that masterpiece he created on Bisping: he calculated that Bisping would be giving his back, waited patiently and put on one of the tightest RNC I've seen in the sport's history. However, it was at 185 lbs.
     
  15. pankrat Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    The Bisping masterpiece is a top3 win in GSP's career imo considering the size disadvantage.

    Classic GSP exploiting a weakness on his opponent, in this case the left hook on the man without right eye lol. Beatiful performance.

    If we count fights at 185 as well though, then Robbie Lawler definitely has a case for best top5 finishes list.

    Fellow WWs Marquardt and Maia would put toguether a nice list of finishes at 170-185 as well btw
     
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    GSP had decent finishes but nothing too jump out of your seat except the Bisping finish. Finishing Hughes by armbar and Penn by quitting on the stool was more funny than anything else.
     
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    In an interview once he stated it’s the contenders job to win. And the champion’s to defend.

    such is life, he has ZERO decisions as a belt challenger.

    He would. Have finnished Kahib too
     
  18. Garnet_StrongerThanYou Black Belt

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    I have to disagree with you on this one brother. A 40 year old GSP fighting at LW for the first time.

    no bueno for GSP.
     
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    The answer is Tyron Woodley.
     
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    Honestly, I think if we’re going by names then Masvidal deserves a shout
    Till, Askren, Nate, Cerrone, Ellenberger
    All very brutal perfomances
     
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