George Soros hacked, thousands of Open Society Foundations files released online

As bad as Trump may or may not be...you really think he would be as bad as a Soros puppet that is actively working towards bringing down the US (or obstacle to Soros goals as he calls it)

No I think he's worse. He'll blow anyone who will help him get rich regardless of who they are or what they believe.

Did you think Sheldon Adelson buying him for 100 mil was a sign he won't be bought?
 
You're right, Israeli politics carry their own share of hypocrisy. I dont think he's a better alternative, however. There are always other options.

This isn't entirely true. Netanyahu government even met with more or less ethnic nationalist' right wingers from Austria and other countries.

The notion that Jews are a collective group of 'evil hypocrites' is false.

I do however agree that if one supports ethno nationalism for Israel then it would by hypocritical if you did not support it for other nations. I take a centrist approach to that view. I think Israel is and should remain a Jewish state and think any country in Europe, Africa, Asia, or even South America ought to do whatever they like. If some want their own brand of ethno nationalism than so be it.

I am however against the United States becoming like that. Because this country wasn't founded to be like that nor is it a native home for anyone except the native Americans. And lastly it has always been a nation of immigrants. Some countries like Canada, USA, Brazil, South Africa etc are built and meant to be multicultural and we're largely from their inception. Others however aren't (Bulgaria, Ukraine, Japan, Israel, Syria, Turkey, China, South Korea, Kenya, Algeria, Argentina, Paraguay, Ethiopia, Etc).

For example I dont like Erdogan but I respect their democratic process and the people's choice to become more Islamic and nationalistic. I may dislike it but it is their choice.
 
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I've never been much impressed by the guy who makes tons of money and then Uncle Toms out on what he made money on. How this doesn't make you a corrupt asshole, I remain unclear on.

It's like the guy who complained about Trump and his conscience after writing his biography. Did you give all the money back? Then STFU about your garbage 'repentance,' which is just a way of trying to retain the fruits of your corruption while simultaneously grandstanding moral purity. So many wealthy businessmen try to make up for a lifetime of exploitative behavior by buying philanthropical indulgences as they get older. It doesn't work. Martin Luther proved it. You're going to burn in hell.

What did he do that's supposed to be bad and "atoning" for?

Just seems like a guy who made a lot of money in a morally neutral way and then used that power to try to benefit the world.
 
You said it perfectly. He is a grenade.

Trump won't be able to mend the broken system, and will probably find a way to use it to his own benefit like every politician has at some point.

But, it is a grenade that needs to be thrown at the moment. The fate of the Supreme Court is going to be decided this election. It will determine whether the constitution follows this new globalist agenda in years to come, or remain true to its roots. If we don't throw that grenade, we will wish we did when it's too late to do anything about it.

So are you guys for keeping money out of politics?

No campaign donations? A model where campaign fund come solely from public funding and are allocated out to the candidates running equally?
 
It is a beauty to watch it really is.

One of the ways you can tell that Soros has been overall a force for good is by looking at his enemies. Tyrants around the world, RT, and the worst people on message boards.
 
Propaganda to "create the climate most conducive" to allowing illegals citizenship



I don't think you understand what you're even sharing. Yes, many Democrats would like to make it easier to gain citizenship. Shocker, I know.
 
So are you guys for keeping money out of politics?

No campaign donations? A model where campaign fund come solely from public funding and are allocated out to the candidates running equally?

I'm all for it, but this will not happen under Hillary's reign. Just like the closure of gitmo didn't happen under Obama. Corporate money and a corrupt foundation is what got her this far, and she will not bite the hand that fed her. Just like Bill, she will be an obedient pup to her masters.
 
You said it perfectly. He is a grenade.


Did you miss the part where I said the collateral damage would be humanity?

Fuck that. He wants in politics simply because he sees profit in it. He's everything you say Soros is, only openly and with less of a plan. I'd rather we keep publicizing info like this until we have a political system that's redefined from the ground up with individual action.

That way we have elections that aren't narrowed to two awful choices.
 
One of the ways you can tell that Soros has been overall a force for good is by looking at his enemies. Tyrants around the world, RT, and the worst people on message boards.

I just don't like his recent Israel stances and his meddling all over the world. I think Bill Gates has done more for good with his vaccines and stuff. Gated also seems to stay out of the more political issues and focuses more on other areas of humanitarian work.

I am not sure if Soros actually funded BLM, LA Raza extremists and other extreme groups or not. But if he did I am not a fan of his.

I also like Viktor Orban of Hungary (the Prime Minister) and even he called out Soros for trying to meddle in their affairs. By all means I support reform in Eastern Europe but not at the expense of those nations becoming multicultural like Sweden, France or UK. I also, fear that Soros might possibly have business interests in doing that.

Basically at times I buy into the corporate fear. Eastern Europe does need reform but I'd love and prefer if the countries remained as cultured and free from corporate EU policies as much as possible.

As far as Putin goes. Well I am not his biggest fan but I don't hate Russia and I dont think we should view them as the enemy. I think they are better than China and think the Crimea issue was really overblown.


I will still vote Hillary though since Trump is a joke and horrible. Also, I really doubt that Hillary takes orders from Soros. All I see is him making suggestions.
 
I'm all for it, but this will not happen under Hillary's reign. Just like the closure of gitmo didn't happen under Obama. Corporate money and a corrupt foundation is what got her this far, and she will not bite the hand that fed her. Just like Bill, she will be an obedient pup to her masters.

Er, "corporate money" had nothing to do with Obama not being able to close Gitmo. He tried on multiple occasions, but couldn't get Congressional opposition.
 
I'm all for it, but this will not happen under Hillary's reign. Just like the closure of gitmo didn't happen under Obama. Corporate money and a corrupt foundation is what got her this far, and she will not bite the hand that fed her. Just like Bill, she will be an obedient pup to her masters.
And there it is, the ultimate CT worldview. It's all a conspiracy. They're out to get us, to take our country and our freedom.

(except for Trump, of course)
 
Did you miss the part where I said the collateral damage would be humanity?

Fuck that. He wants in politics simply because he sees profit in it. He's everything you say Soros is, only openly and with less of a plan. I'd rather we keep publicizing info like this until we have a political system that's redefined from the ground up with individual action.

That way we have elections that aren't narrowed to two awful choices.

Well, other than that grenade, your other option is death by a thousand cuts in years to come. Even that second choice will no longer be a choice once the bankrolled side has voter majority and has changed the constitution to fit a globalist agenda.
 
What did he do that's supposed to be bad and "atoning" for?

Just seems like a guy who made a lot of money in a morally neutral way and then used that power to try to benefit the world.

You might ask him. Generally speaking he seems to see the current system of capitalism as too vulnerable to exploitation by ... people like himself, who see capitalism as intrinsically vulnerable to exploitation when it's not run in a globalized and rationalized way. He made his billions by attacking what he considers flaws in the regulatory system.

People make billions in legal arms sales to murderous regimes all the time. I don't see how we give them a pass because such sales are technically legal or factually inevitable.

"Morally neutral" is hardly a real concept. It can only be neutral according to a particular morality, and so instead of asking 'morality' in the abstract, we must ask 'whose morality'?. Soros' actions were immoral by the lights of 95% of human moral thinking, both contemporaneous and historical. But few who are not deeply intermeshed in capitalist finance are likely to follow the 5%.

Btw he has a criminal conviction for insider trading as well, so even under the most slavish forms of pro-finance morality, he is hardly much of an exemplar.
 
Well, other than that grenade, your other option is death by a thousand cuts in years to come

Even if you're wonderful hyperbole is completely accurate, in the second scenario I've at least got time to learn how not to get cut anymore.

In the first, I'm instantly dead.

I'll take the second.
 
I just don't like his recent Israel stances and his meddling all over the world. I think Bill Gates has done more for good with his vaccines and stuff. Gated also seems to stay out of the more political issues and focuses more on other areas of humanitarian work.

I am not sure if Soros actually funded BLM, LA Raza extremists and other extreme groups or not. But if he did I am not a fan of his.

I also like Viktor Orban of Hungary (the Prime Minister) and even he called out Soros for trying to meddle in their affairs. By all means I support reform in Eastern Europe but not at the expense of those nations becoming multicultural like Sweden, France or UK. I also, fear that Soros might possibly have business interests in doing that.

Basically at times I buy into the corporate fear. Eastern Europe does need reform but I'd love and prefer if the countries remained as cultured and free from corporate EU policies as much as possible.

As far as Putin goes. Well I am not his biggest fan but I don't hate Russia and I dont think we should view them as the enemy. I think they are better than China and think the Crimea issue was really overblown.


I will still vote Hillary though since Trump is a joke and horrible. Also, I really doubt that Hillary takes orders from Soros. All I see is him making suggestions.

He has funded 33 mil to BLM. DeRay Mckesson lives in a mansion owned by Open Society members.

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/blacklivesmatter-leader-deray-lives-home-owned-by-soros-connected/

He's given la raza about 2.4 mil.

http://www.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/m...ending-100-million-us-immigration-reform-push
 
You might ask him. Generally speaking he seems to see the current system of capitalism as too vulnerable to exploitation by ... people like himself, who see capitalism as intrinsically vulnerable to exploitation when it's not run in a globalized and rationalized way. He made his billions by attacking what he considers flaws in the regulatory system.

People make billions in legal arms sales to murderous regimes all the time. I don't see how we give them a pass because such sales are technically legal or factually inevitable.

Again, I see a pretty obvious issue with that, even if it's legal. I don't see any issue in Soros' actions. That might be the disconnect here. And without more specifics, I can't really comment on the general point. He's not a socialist, though.

"Morally neutral" is hardly a real concept. It can only be neutral according to a particular morality, and so instead of asking 'morality' in the abstract, we must ask 'whose morality'?. Soros' actions were immoral by the lights of 95% of human moral thinking, both contemporaneous and historical. But few who are not deeply intermeshed in capitalist finance are likely to follow the 5%.

If you just mean currency shorting, I'd say that it's a simple matter of people not understanding it (and I see attacks even on stock shorting).

Btw he has a criminal conviction for insider trading as well, so even under the most slavish forms of pro-finance morality, he is hardly much of an exemplar.

In general, there is a lot of fuzziness on insider trading (clarified a bit with , and in his particular case, it's even worse.

As I said, I think the demonization of him really comes down to his opposition to the Iraq War (and to a lesser extent his opposition to apartheid). That got the right-wing media to put out a bunch of ridiculous attacks on him, which some people really believe, etc.
 
Even if you're wonderful hyperbole is completely accurate, in the second scenario I've at least got time to learn how not to get cut anymore.

In the first, I'm instantly dead.

I'll take the second.

The grenade will kill you if you don't throw it after pulling the pin. In this particular case, the grenade is being thrown at the very thing that will cause you those 1000 cuts. But, enough of the analogy.

You've made your choice, and I respect that. I'm not here to try dissuade anyone that is as dedicated to Hillary/globalists as you are. You guys are welcome to live in fear of Trump, and embrace the greater evil of men like Soros.

I'm hoping that the independant minded posters and lurkers who read this will realize what's at stake, and vote the right way to preserve not only their own culture, but that of their kids and grandkids.
 
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