Gavin Newsom will become the most liberal governor in the US

[Rygu]

He sounds batshit insane.

So he should win in California by a landslide.

 

[cooks1]

He is a progressive to be sure. But I don't see a fly by the seat of your pants, cost be damned kind of fellow.

When he was a supervisor, he advocated a voter initiative called Care Not Cash which wanted to provide care, housing, drug treatment, and mental health support for the homeless as opposed to cash from the State GAP. I bet many moderate republicans are of a similar view.

He opposed the death penalty in no small part on cost grounds.

He has started and run successful businesses, though it's hard to say how successful he would have been without his connection to the Getty family.

As far as his Universal Healthcare and Education goals- more power to him. It baffles me when people cringe at trying to make large scale changes to these 2 things when it can not be argued that we have the most expensive and fucked up healthcare and education systems on the globe- and by a country mile at that.

 

[zebby23]

Affordable college, healthcare, housing?

Oh the horror

 

[cooks1]

I think a lot of money ought to be diverted from the military to other social programs.

Whenever we put boots on the ground, it tends to not go well. What's the point of having all this ground power if we can't even get good results against fricken dilapidated Iraq and Aghanistan. Our physical defense against large scale opponents is already guaranteed. We should stick to airforce and drones. Pentagon has been burning money.

Cut military spending by 33% (so we're only approximately double the next nations leading military spender instead of triple) and double medicare and education.

Lastly, fuck the military industrial complex.

Agreed.

Look at the US on the world map. Even if we had a small military, we would be hard as fuck to invade. Over 60% of our borders are fucking water. Any invading navies would have to leave from thousands of miles away. And if you want to invade by land, you would either need to first conquer Canada and Mexico, or have them as allies. And good luck invading through Texas. Texan citizens are probably armed just as much as your average military.

 

[cooks1]

I'm in favor of single payer healthcare. We just don't have to take away from the military to do it. You're only saying that for ideological reasons. Single payer healthcare would spend less money than we already spend on healthcare. It would save tax dollars. You don't give a shit about universal healthcare or you would already know that. You just want to talk shit about the military.

Saying we should spend a fuck-ton less on the military is not talking shit about it. You can admire the soldiers and still think we are doing it wrong.

 

[Madmick]

Even Jerry Brown thinks he’s too far to the left. His agenda is the progressive movement’s wet dream, and it looks like he’ll win the election easily. Here are just a few things he wants. I don’t know the specifics of each goal listed below, but it’s looking pretty extreme.

Guaranteed health care for all, including illegals.

A “Marshall Plan” for affordable housing.

A cradle-to-college promise for the next generation.

“Audacious” and “bold” action affecting the homeless crisis.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.sacb...overnment/capitol-alert/article212649649.html

The big question is, who will pay for all these bold new programs?

This is the Trump Effect. This is why I became a vocal #NeverTrumper when before I never really discussed my personal politics, and preferred independence. This has become the most important fight of our lifetimes, and Trump isn't the man to win it; he's the gas feeding the opposition.

Never thought the "Red Scare" was a danger I would have to address in my lifetime at home, myself. I always thought it was the fight of my fathers I would know solely from documentaries and history books.

 

[kpt018]

This is the Trump Effect. This is why I became a vocal #NeverTrumper when before I never really discussed my personal politics, and preferred independence. This has become the most important fight of our lifetimes, and Trump isn't the man to win it; he's the gas feeding the opposition.

Never thought the "Red Scare" was a danger I would have to address in my lifetime at home, myself. I always thought it was the fight of my fathers I would know solely from documentaries and history books.

What exactly is the most important fight?

 

[cincymma79]

Agreed.

Look at the US on the world map. Even if we had a small military, we would be hard as fuck to invade. Over 60% of our borders are fucking water. Any invading navies would have to leave from thousands of miles away. And if you want to invade by land, you would either need to first conquer Canada and Mexico, or have them as allies. And good luck invading through Texas. Texan citizens are probably armed just as much as your average military.

And we get five armies every turn

 

[Madmick]

This is the Trump Effect. This is why I became a vocal #NeverTrumper when before I never really discussed my personal politics, and preferred independence. This has become the most important fight of our lifetimes, and Trump isn't the man to win it; he's the gas feeding the opposition.

Never thought the "Red Scare" was a danger I would have to address in my lifetime at home, myself. I always thought it was the fight of my fathers I would know solely from documentaries and history books.

What exactly is the most important fight?

 

[Hogey]

He is such scum. Groomed by liberal elites. Should be ashamed voting for the guy. He will likely run for POTUS after

 

[TheGreatA]

This is the Trump Effect. This is why I became a vocal #NeverTrumper when before I never really discussed my personal politics, and preferred independence. This has become the most important fight of our lifetimes, and Trump isn't the man to win it; he's the gas feeding the opposition.

Never thought the "Red Scare" was a danger I would have to address in my lifetime at home, myself. I always thought it was the fight of my fathers I would know solely from documentaries and history books.

It was probably happening with or without Trump.

The ascension of populist politics in America, and the collapse of the Bush/Clinton-era dynasties, the neo-cons and neo-libs, has less to do with any particular individual, as it does with the will of the people.

They wanted it, and they're getting it. People wanted to blow it the fuck up. People forget that, initially, Obama also represented a populist turn with his sweeping promises, most of which he failed to cash on during his presidency. Many hoped him to be a progressive socialist, but he barely budged from the center, outside of the occasional pandering to the identity politics of the left.

Socialists have moved to fill the power vacuum on the left, because the center has become emasculated and neutered. They can only win votes by virtue signaling to far-leftists, following the template of the Obama's, Trudeau's and Macron's of the world, and by doing so, they're breaking the dam that used to hold them in. They're popularizing positions that used to occupy a niche.

I recall predicting a few years ago in here that the Democrat platform would be over-taken by the left, while the center would be ousted due to siding with a Hillary Clinton, regardless of whether she won the presidency or not. She was going to be a stagnant failure regardless.

If that is the best you have to offer, then you deserve to go out, unfortunately.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

It's almost like 40 years' worth of staggering inequality gets people fed up.

 

[kpt018]

It was a serious question. Do you mean the conservative fight against liberals? Is there a specific issue that makes this fight so important for conservatives to win?

 

[Madmick]

It was probably happening with or without Trump.

The ascension of populist politics in America, and the collapse of the Bush/Clinton-era dynasties, the neo-cons and neo-libs, has less to do with any particular individual, as it does with the will of the people.

They wanted it, and they're getting it. People wanted to blow it the fuck up. People forget that, initially, Obama also represented a populist turn with his sweeping promises, most of which he failed to cash on during his presidency. Many hoped him to be a progressive socialist, but he barely budged from the center, outside of the occasional pandering to the identity politics of the left.

Socialists have moved to fill the power vacuum on the left, because the center has become emasculated and neutered. They can only win votes by virtue signaling to far-leftists, following the template of the Obama's, Trudeau's and Macron's of the world, and by doing so, they're breaking the dam that used to hold them in. They're popularizing positions that used to occupy a niche.

I recall predicting a few years ago in here that the Democrat platform would be over-taken by the left, while the center would be ousted due to siding with a Hillary Clinton, regardless of whether she won the presidency or not. She was going to be a stagnant failure regardless.

If that is the best you have to offer, then you deserve to go out, unfortunately.

You didn't think that socializing health care was a sincerely progressive move? DACA? Detente with Cuba?

I don't think you understand what is happening, here. These socialists are going to swallow you, too.

It was a serious question. Do you mean the conservative fight against liberals? Is there a specific issue that makes this fight so important for conservatives to win?

I thought reference to the "Red Scare" might tip you off.

 

[Amerikuracana]

That means he'll be the new bar for the left, anybody not as left as him is a bad person.

 

[Amerikuracana]

That means he'll be the new bar for the left, anybody not as left as him is a bad person.

 

[cooks1]

It was probably happening with or without Trump.

The ascension of populist politics in America, and the collapse of the Bush/Clinton-era dynasties, the neo-cons and neo-libs, has less to do with any particular individual, as it does with the will of the people.

They wanted it, and they're getting it. People wanted to blow it the fuck up. People forget that, initially, Obama also represented a populist turn with his sweeping promises, most of which he failed to cash on during his presidency. Many hoped him to be a progressive socialist, but he barely budged from the center, outside of the occasional pandering to the identity politics of the left.

Socialists have moved to fill the power vacuum on the left, because the center has become emasculated and neutered. They can only win votes by virtue signaling to far-leftists, following the template of the Obama's, Trudeau's and Macron's of the world, and by doing so, they're breaking the dam that used to hold them in. They're popularizing positions that used to occupy a niche.

I recall predicting a few years ago in here that the Democrat platform would be over-taken by the left, while the center would be ousted due to siding with a Hillary Clinton, regardless of whether she won the presidency or not. She was going to be a stagnant failure regardless.

If that is the best you have to offer, then you deserve to go out, unfortunately.

That's an interesting take. At the end though I think you do a great job explaining the symptom but only touch on the underlying challenges.

We are a really big, really diverse nation. That presents a lot of advantages. But one of the challenges is that a big boat is hard to turn. Even moreso when the system of government is set up to make it hard to turn (rightfully so) and the captain and officers are shuffled up every 4 years.

And people fear change. Especially big ones. We are going to have to make some big changes. They will be made. But there is no way for them not to be time consuming, messy, and painful.

 

[kpt018]

I thought reference to the "Red Scare" might tip you off.

I do have concerns about policy coming from the left, particularly from the Democratic Socialists types, but I think we are a long way from fighting off communism and it feels like hyperbole to call it the greatest fight of our lifetimes. The fight to dethrone Trump is far more important.

 

[Madmick]

I do have concerns about policy coming from the left, particularly from the Democratic Socialists types, but I think we are a long way from fighting off communism and it feels like hyperbole to call it the greatest fight of our lifetimes. The fight to dethrone Trump is far more important.

No, it's not.

Communism and any other form of "true" socialism has only ever resulted in one, ultimate conclusion: the devastation of freedom. Trump is not this enemy to freedom. If he gets more desperate as Mueller closes in, such as trying to fire him, or meaningful attempts to override state judicial authority to save his kids, then we have something to talk about. Otherwise, he is a gold-loving schemer. He knows what he is doing, and so far he has done it with the consent of the people, and at great cost to them, long-term, but at little to no cost to the system in place. To appropriate a phrase Maduro has used quite cynically and malignantly, he is the "devil I know". In this case, he's actually not worse than the one I don't.

These "democratic socialists"; they know not what they do. They pave the road to hell with their noblest intentions.

 

[kpt018]

No, it's not.

Communism and any other form of "true" socialism has only ever resulted in one, ultimate conclusion: the devastation of freedom. Trump is not this enemy to freedom. If he gets more desperate as Mueller closes in, such as trying to fire him, or meaningful attempts to override state judicial authority to save his kids, then we have something to talk about. Otherwise, he is a gold-loving schemer. He knows what he is doing, and so far he has done it with the consent of the people, and at great cost to them, long-term, but at little to no cost to the system in place. To appropriate a phrase Maduro has used quite cynically and malignantly, he is the "devil I know". In this case, he's actually not worse than the one I don't.

These "democratic socialists"; they know not what they do. They pave the road to hell with their noblest intentions.

Trump has done immense damage to our standing as the leader of the free world and has brought into question the integrity of the institutions that keep us safe (CIA, for example). We are literally less safe as a result of his actions. I know you've consistently criticized Trump, so I won't belabor this point since there probably isn't that much daylight between us there (at least from what I read of your posting on Trump). What is unclear is the danger you see on the left. Again, I have my own reservations about a jobs guarantee program, single payer, etc. but I am not seeing the case that these policies will destroy the country.