Media Gane: Aspinall would beat Jones because he's more well-rounded

[White lightning 2]

You effectively read nothing what I wrote. Gane has nothing on Aspinall. Gane got destroyed by Volkov while Aspinall finished Volkov in the 1st round. Come out of denial and accept Jones has been ducking while taking advantage of his gullible fans. He said it himself it is too risky for him to put his legacy on the line.

Aspinall has eons more power than Gane and has been grappling since he was a child. Gane has no one-punch knockout power, cannot grapple to safe his life and not anywhere in the same league as far as speed, explosiveness, power etc. Everyone knows Gane is a highly technical and volume fighter. He has never knocked out anyone one punch. He always relies on extreme technical striking and distance management while throwing volume.

You are coping hard. Aspinall will trash this clown's lights in the first round with that brutal one-punch knockout power.

Gane stopped JDS, Tai Tuvasa. And Aspinall last to Blaydes. Jones does not loose plain and simple. His legacy is number 1 love him or hate him. He is not young either plus he moved up. He is not loosing to Aspinall. FYI I and not a big fan of Jones but he keeps proving everybody wrong

 

[MMAFanCal]

Gane stopped JDS, Tai Tuvasa. And Aspinall last to Blaydes. Jones does not loose plain and simple. His legacy is number 1 love him or hate him. He is not young either plus he moved up. He is not loosing to Aspinall. FYI I and not a big fan of Jones but he keeps proving everybody wrong

Yeah, it took a lot of punches for Gane to beat all of those. You clearly don't understand the meaning of one-punch knockout power. He has zero one-punch knockout power. He simply relies on a lot of technical striking and volume punching to finish his opponent. Also, he has ZERO grappling skills.

Again go watch the Volkov fight with both Gane and Aspinall. What more proof do you need? That is the only apples to apples comparison. You are coping hard. If you believe what you wrote, that is totally fine by me, but don't try to convince of things that facts don't confirm to me. Gane was already exposed by Ngannou with no knees where he took him down at will and there was a lot of tape on Gane to study.

 

[White lightning 2]

Yeah, it took a lot of punches for Gane to beat all of those. He has zero one-punch knockout power. He has no power. He simply relies on a lot of technical striking and volume punching. Also, he has ZERO grappling skills.

Yeah, again go watch the Volkov fight with both Gane and Aspinall. That is the only apples to apples comparison. You are coping hard. Stop wasting my time. Gane was already exposed by Ngannou with no knees where he took him down at will and there was a lot of tape on Gane to study.

Come on to say Gane has no power is ridiculous. He is ranked number 2. Jones is the goat and has never 1 punched koed anyone. Jds has 1 punched koed guys and Gane beat him

 

[MMAFanCal]

Come on to say Gane has no power is ridiculous. He is ranked number 2. Jones is the goat and has never 1 punched koed anyone. Jds has 1 punched koed guys and Gane beat him

Gane is quite possibly the best pure technical striker in the heavyweight division. Issue is, this is not kickboxing. He turned Ngannou into panic wrestler. You are misunderstanding what I am saying. He relies on distance management, technical striking and a lot of volume punches. Kicks are also a big part of his strategy, but he has been dumped many times while trying to kick his opponent. The threat of takedowns, also affects his ability to properly manage distance and Aspinall is a different beast who does not have the sound technical efficiency of Gane, but what he has is, explosive power, speed and ability to put his opponents out by touching them once. He also has been a lifelong grappler.

 

[White lightning 2]

He is quite possibly the best pure technical striker in the heavyweight division. Issue is, this is not kickboxing. He turned Ngannou into panic wrestler. You are misunderstanding what I am saying. He relies on distance management, technical striking and a lot of volume punches. The threat of takedowns, also affects his ability to properly manage distance and Aspinall is a different beast.

Hey I agree Aspinall is great. But I am not betting against Jones. Different options

 

[White lightning 2]

If it happens and it stays this way, I will have someone put money on Jones for me.

I never bet on fights but I will put a big bet on Jones winning.

 

[White lightning 2]

I agree. Tom has the knockout touch.

Against Jones?

 

[White lightning 2]

And you'll likely lose $ imo. But we will see, if Jones takes the fight.

Really? You would bet against Jones? He does not lose. He is the only fight history now I would never bet against. And I have been watching UFC since day 1

 

[FriskyRandy]

ok its just a personal opinion with no proof again

You realize yours is the same, correct?

We don't know until they're in the cage together.

It's a clear sign of being stupid when you think your subjective opinion is the correct opinion.

 

[FriskyRandy]

And yet Jon Jones hasn't been submitted even 1x in his career that goes back to Tom still being in middle school before he ever even competed, and lost, you can.

Jones > Tom in BJJ and it's beyond silly to suggest anything otherwise.

By all means, give Tom the physical advantages, like he deserves as the younger fighter, but you guys look like utter nut bags giving him skill advantages. Jon is an elite level top kickboxer and grappler. It's why he's still on top after 2 decades.

Yup, your subjective opinion is right and everyone else's is wrong.

You obsessed basement dwelling pussy.

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

No

DC Resume at LHW:
Barista Cummins
Old MW Hendo
AJ 2x
Gus
Old MW Anderson on short notice
Volkan

DC at HW:
Stipe
Lewis
Nelson
Mir
Barnett
Bigfoot
Monson
Soa

He was 7-2 at LHW, 15-1 at HW.

 

[mkess101]

Really? You would bet against Jones? He does not lose. He is the only fight history now I would never bet against. And I have been watching UFC since day 1

Yes I will. And I've heard plenty of people claim they "watched since day 1!" Maybe you actually are telling the truth and are 50 or 60 years old and were watching in 1992. I've just heard that claim so many times, I tend to not believe it.

I started following in 1998. I started training in 2006. I trained, fought (2 fights only) cornered and coached for 6 years. Had the opportunity to train with people like Carlos Machado and Oleg Taktarov among others. I'm saying this because when someone says "I've watched from the beginning!" to me here, it doesn't do much to convince me they'd understand this sport better than I do.

As for Jones: I said since he ragdolled Vlad Matsushenko that Jones was different, special. Throwing a guy like that around like he was a child was unheard of. I bet on Jones as a favorite over Shogun to win the belt. People said I was nuts paying juice on on an unproven guy vs an established legend still near his prime. I said it now and I still believe it: at his peak, Jones is the most talented fighter ever.

That said...he did lose imo. There's no way he should've gotten the Reyes decision. Absolutely no way. So he's far from invincible. He looked lackluster vs Santos too (although I do think Jones won that one). And now he's at HW. And he absolutely looks NOTICEABLY slower. I mean, a LOT slower vs Stipe and anyone who doesn't think so is either blind or fooling themselves. For all Jon's greatness, he's not gonna beat Father Time. Nobody ever does. Aspinall is younger, bigger, faster, has true HW power. He can grapple. In all, too many things stacked against Jones in this one. There's a reason he seemingly doesn't want this fight.

I don't shit talk or blindly root against Jones like a lot of people here. It's a testament to his greatness that as a LHW he can just get a beer gut and walk into HW and look slower and still win fights. Hell, probably beat most of the division. But Aspinall? A guy at that size that moves like a WW? I'll absolutely bet against Jones overcoming that hurdle if he chooses to try.

 

[Tweak896]

pereira also defended takedowns
pretty sure you also believe hes in the same caliber as jones or DC?

also wich high class bjj fighter did aspinal strangled?
you also believe periera is a world class bjj fighter

I'm just saying that is a fact, the only takedowns Aspinall has defended in the UFC were in that fight. Yet people assume he's fine to defend Jones. Even Gane was more proven.

 

[orca]

You realize yours is the same, correct?

We don't know until they're in the cage together.

It's a clear sign of being stupid when you think your subjective opinion is the correct opinion.

the prood of burden sir
you need to show proof of your claims
its as simple as that

i can pretty much show you who jones outwrestled who jones strangled
and who jones outstriked

and these are world class fighters jones beat at their own game

 

[YourBoss]

Well Jon Jones would agree. Otherwise he would fight Aspinall right?

 

[FriskyRandy]

the prood of burden sir
you need to show proof of your claims
its as simple as that

i can pretty much show you who jones outwrestled who jones strangled
and who jones outstriked

and these are world class fighters jones beat at their own game

You are absolutely fucking retarded. The burden of proof is on me, when in the single post I made i said none of us have any clue how the fight will go until it happens. Delusional, and retarded.

 

[orca]

You effectively read nothing what I wrote. Gane has nothing on Aspinall. Gane got destroyed by Volkov while Aspinall finished Volkov in the 1st round. Come out of denial and accept Jones has been ducking while taking advantage of his gullible fans. He said it himself it is too risky for him to put his legacy on the line.

Aspinall has eons more power than Gane and has been grappling since he was a child. Gane has no one-punch knockout power, cannot grapple to safe his life and not anywhere in the same league as far as speed, explosiveness, power etc. Everyone knows Gane is a highly technical and volume fighter. He has never knocked out anyone one punch. He always relies on extreme technical striking and distance management while throwing volume. The only reason why Jones took the fight with him, was because of two reasons. 1) there is a lot of tape on him and Jones studies a lot of tape on his opponent 2) he was already exposed by a Ngannou with no knees where he was taken down at will and could not grapple to save his life. Jones knew exactly how he could easily beat him.

You are coping hard. Aspinall will trash this clown's lights in the first round with that brutal one-punch knockout power.

lol gane should already have been a legit HW champ if he didnt dive for the submission in the fifth round against nganou

he beat nganou like a pulp i suggest you watch the fight
a feat volkov cant do
also volkov has been a journeyman for a long time
since stipes era thats trash
gane accomplished being close to becoming a champ
while tom a fake champ (interim)

 

[ShadowRun]

Gane is wrong, Jones will land better strikes and our wrestle Tom either for a D win or submitting him .

 

[ShadowRun]

Yes I will. And I've heard plenty of people claim they "watched since day 1!" Maybe you actually are telling the truth and are 50 or 60 years old and were watching in 1992. I've just heard that claim so many times, I tend to not believe it.

I started following in 1998. I started training in 2006. I trained, fought (2 fights only) cornered and coached for 6 years. Had the opportunity to train with people like Carlos Machado and Oleg Taktarov among others. I'm saying this because when someone says "I've watched from the beginning!" to me here, it doesn't do much to convince me they'd understand this sport better than I do.

As for Jones: I said since he ragdolled Vlad Matsushenko that Jones was different, special. Throwing a guy like that around like he was a child was unheard of. I bet on Jones as a favorite over Shogun to win the belt. People said I was nuts paying juice on on an unproven guy vs an established legend still near his prime. I said it now and I still believe it: at his peak, Jones is the most talented fighter ever.

That said...he did lose imo. There's no way he should've gotten the Reyes decision. Absolutely no way. So he's far from invincible. He looked lackluster vs Santos too (although I do think Jones won that one). And now he's at HW. And he absolutely looks NOTICEABLY slower. I mean, a LOT slower vs Stipe and anyone who doesn't think so is either blind or fooling themselves. For all Jon's greatness, he's not gonna beat Father Time. Nobody ever does. Aspinall is younger, bigger, faster, has true HW power. He can grapple. In all, too many things stacked against Jones in this one. There's a reason he seemingly doesn't want this fight.

I don't shit talk or blindly root against Jones like a lot of people here. It's a testament to his greatness that as a LHW he can just get a beer gut and walk into HW and look slower and still win fights. Hell, probably beat most of the division. But Aspinall? A guy at that size that moves like a WW? I'll absolutely bet against Jones overcoming that hurdle if he chooses to try.

Great points but jones was able to out wrestle DC and I think the only one. He will control Tom for a UD or maybe catch him in a sub or TKO. His fighting IQ is crazy and he will re well prepared. I don't think he trained much for Rayes.

 

[mkess101]

Great points but jones was able to out wrestle DC and I think the only one. He will control Tom for a UD or maybe catch him in a sub or TKO. His fighting IQ is crazy and he will re well prepared. I don't think he trained much for Rayes.

Those DC fights were at LHW and the last one was 8 years ago. This scenario just isn't the same. His body doesn't do the things at HW and 38 years old that it did at LHW at 30. Stipe looked stuck in mud and somehow still landed a decent amount on Jon after being mauled for a full round.

I'm not even sure Jones can get to a spot to take Aspinall down. Maybe he can? But Tom moves much better despite being bigger and when Jones tries to close distance there's a good chance he gets clipped and hurt.

I'll never fully count Jones out of course. It's a weird sport, he's an all time great, and yes his fight IQ and gameplanning is the best of all time by far. He's a fighting savant. BUT, again, NOBODY beats father time and he'd be trying to do it vs a HW unicorn.