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Many viewers noted that the quality dropped as soon as the writers outpaced the source material.
You might say "many". I'd say "some".
Many viewers noted that the quality dropped as soon as the writers outpaced the source material.
You might say "many". I'd say "some".
Yeah, but "your work is complete shit and you need to die" isn't really a criticism, even if it's prevalent. Remember, we're literally posting in a thread that's titled Burn the Writers. Even if there is valid criticism to be gleaned from internet forums, it's almost impossible to wade through the dumpster fire to find it. Over time a disappointing final season has ballooned into a show that has apparently been completed shit since season 5, and D&D are completely inept writers who have have only produced anything worth a damn out of sheer luck. To be fair, these opinions are pretty much worthless, made by people that are completely ignorant of just how difficult writing a script actually is.
That is not accurate. People almost unanimously thought the show was brilliant when relying on GRRM's source material. D&D deserve a ton of credit for adapting the material to the small screen. In fact, as an adaptation it is easily one of the best ever. It is brilliant.
Almost all of the criticism began after that. Running out of source material triggered the internal logic of the series to get thrown out the window as the writers scrambled to match the "subversion of expectations" GRRM so deftly managed. Whereas GRRM was relying on the historical bloodshed of the Wars of the Roses for inspiration, D&D seemed to be relying on tropes seen in silly Young Adult film and novels, like Twilight among others, and cartoons. This was a sharp departure from the "Historical Fiction" with a touch of magic that shaped the novels and the early part of the series.
Generalizing about all internet forums is just lazy. Yes, some people are over the top, some even trolls. Yet, there are plenty of intelligent, revealing criticism of the show. If there wasn't, you wouldn't still be posting in this thread.
Most of the criticism is valid. This is NOT kindergarten. Everyone DOES NOT get a blue ribbon for effort.
If you are fine with the final seasons of the series, that is OK. However, you do not need to be familiar with the effort required to write a good script to criticize the effort. I like Haggis. Have it when I can. Delicious. I do not need to know the effort required to make it. Nor does it require knowledge of all the effort to prepare Haggis to dislike it or hate it or think its shite. As a consumer, you simply decide whether you like it or not. There is no qualification to give credit or criticism for a work of art.
For all of the people who invested so much time watching the show, the decline in quality in last few seasons was very disappointing. To most viewers' credit, criticism was minor despite the obvious and increasing drop in quality over the last few seasons and the long wait between season 7 and 8. That was the goodwill or credit they had built with their audience over the previous seasons. It was like a relationship gone bad. It didn't just happen. It was precipitated over the course of the last few seasons. The final season was the coup de grâce.
That is not accurate. People almost unanimously thought the show was brilliant when relying on GRRM's source material. D&D deserve a ton of credit for adapting the material to the small screen. In fact, as an adaptation it is easily one of the best ever. It is brilliant.
Almost all of the criticism began after that. Running out of source material triggered the internal logic of the series to get thrown out the window as the writers scrambled to match the "subversion of expectations" GRRM so deftly managed. Whereas GRRM was relying on the historical bloodshed of the Wars of the Roses for inspiration, D&D seemed to be relying on tropes seen in silly Young Adult film and novels, like Twilight among others, and cartoons. This was a sharp departure from the "Historical Fiction" with a touch of magic that shaped the novels and the early part of the series.
Generalizing about all internet forums is just lazy. Yes, some people are over the top, some even trolls. Yet, there are plenty of intelligent, revealing criticism of the show. If there wasn't, you wouldn't still be posting in this thread.
Most of the criticism is valid. This is NOT kindergarten. Everyone DOES NOT get a blue ribbon for effort.
If you are fine with the final seasons of the series, that is OK. However, you do not need to be familiar with the effort required to write a good script to criticize the effort. I like Haggis. Have it when I can. Delicious. I do not need to know the effort required to make it. Nor does it require knowledge of all the effort to prepare Haggis to dislike it or hate it or think its shite. As a consumer, you simply decide whether you like it or not. There is no qualification to give credit or criticism for a work of art.
For all of the people who invested so much time watching the show, the decline in quality in last few seasons was very disappointing. To most viewers' credit, criticism was minor despite the obvious and increasing drop in quality over the last few seasons and the long wait between season 7 and 8. That was the goodwill or credit they had built with their audience over the previous seasons. It was like a relationship gone bad. It didn't just happen. It was precipitated over the course of the last few seasons. The final season was the coup de grâce.
Many in r/freefolk was saying the show was going down during season 5. Many started grumbling in season 4 when it became clear Young Griff was being omitted entirely from the show.You might say "many". I'd say "some".
Many in r/freefolk was saying the show was going down during season 5. Many started grumbling in season 4 when it became clear Young Griff was being omitted entirely from the show.
The thing is, I disagree with most of what you say. But at the same time I've been over all these points multiple times in this long thread already. I don't really feel a need to Wade through all this again. Especially for a thread that is now only a repetitive slog that's only bumped by people making complaints.
So, you liked it. Great. You somehow find empathy with the writers and you think that makes you smarter or provides you more insight. Let me repeat what people were saying 9 months ago, 6 months ago, 3 months ago and again today; you are wrong. You have provided absolutely nothing to make anyway reconsider anything. Others have. If you are tired of people refuting your bullshit, find another hobby. Fixate on another thread. Get a life.
The thing is, I disagree with most of what you say. But at the same time I've been over all these points multiple times in this long thread already. I don't really feel a need to Wade through all this again. Especially for a thread that is now only a repetitive slog that's only bumped by people making complaints.
They still had flashes ofthat brilliance. Hardome, BOTB, Sept blowing up. Problem was they didn't know how to carry the full load.I agree with all this but, I have to say, in the first 4 seasons D&D were not only good at adapting the source material, they also added scenes and dialogues that were not in the books but they were brilliant ("chaos is a ladder" for instance). After season 4...I don't know wtf happened, but it's not only a matter of running out of source material imo.
They still had flashes ofthat brilliance. Hardome, BOTB, Sept blowing up. Problem was they didn't know how to carry the full load.