Fury vs Wilder - does power really beat skill or the reverse?

[WklySportsMemes]

I cant believe I am about to say this but I agree with the above 100% and that is what I really admire in wilder and what I think he has really improved on in recent fights......he is doing a lot less windmills and gotten really good at positioning his feet in the right place to deliver the perfect shot (position wise).....also his faints shouldn't be underestimated either.....he is not doing this by accident.

Anybody who attributes the Ortiz KOs to size and power clearly didnt watch the fights or they dont understand high level boxing.
He even fk'd Ortiz up on the inside.
Plus you can definitely see the influences of Braylon in his style and game at times. Especially when he opens up to finish.

 

[borntoloseNOT]

Skill almost always beats power at the elite level. That's what makes Wilder so special in the power dept. Its fucking insane, it's not an equalizer, because he seems to almost have an advantage because it's so great and his ability to land it enough times to end a fight is extremely high. It makes his punchers chance more than equal.

 

[ConorFacts]

athlecism is waaaaaay more important than skill.

roy jones is proof enough

 

[djacobox372]

Fury clearly beat wilder in their first fight, so there's your answer.

 

[Jonny Ninja]

athlecism is waaaaaay more important than skill.

roy jones is proof enough

Laughable nonsense.

 

[Yacob]

What a great inspiration and motivation for training he is, not like this Masvidal now too selling alcohol wtf is wrong with this world. This is sport, healthy lifestyle

Usyk would ko Masvidal in under 4 seconds

 

[Yacob]

Laughable nonsense.

Conrad fights tomorrow....his minions should be gone soon

 

[eternaldarkness]

So we've seen Fury talk about being an excellent amateur and pro boxer (which he is), amazing footwork amd technique etc etc

And we know Wilder is basically a genetically gifted basketball player who loops his wild swings and just has to land.

So if Wilder KTFO's Fury (again, more conclusively) does this prove that ultimately;

Power beats skill

Don't you dare say that shit around here.

 

[eternaldarkness]

Exactly
Knocking somebody out with big gloves isn't just about power at this level.
Precision/accuracy, timing, speed, positioning, footwork, intelligence/ ring IQ are all skills.
All while having defensive skill enough not to get KTFO by another giant puncher with power.
Wilder KOing or knocking down other skilled guys is because his skill set is simply better and more effective according to the actual rules of boxing.
Boxing values no skill higher than the skill of putting your opponent on the ground with legal punches.

Also , his setups to some of the Ortiz knockdowns and KOs are as skilled as they come.
It's funny when people talk about power but litterally didnt see or understand the setup that opened up the KO blow

Couldn't agree more. Have been saying this for a while.

 

[eternaldarkness]

More often than not, skill beats power in boxing.

Everyone knows this.

In boxing you can nearly always bet on the more skilled fighter. In mma you can nearly always back the bigger wrestler.

 

[TheMaster]

Fury wasn't an 'excellent' amateur boxer. Based on accomplishments you could say that he was close to that at the junior level but that's not the senior level and ultimately the senior level is what matters. Fury never went to the senior Worlds or the Olympics for example. Wilder, who was a more decorated amateur than Fury, qualified for and competed at the 2007 Worlds as a senior and 2008 Olympics where he medaled bronze. Fury has achieved more as a pro than he ever did in the amateurs.

Boxing and basketball are completely different sports. In fact, they couldn't be more different. He's a gifted puncher you mean.

If he was truly KTFO'ed then his head would've hit the canvas, yet that didn't happen. He claims he was 'out' but he also says a lot of things. He likes applying the whole phoenix rising from the ashes mythological analogy because it makes him look nearly superhuman to have gotten back to his feet. He's a sensationalist.

Skill beats power more often than not but this is also Heavyweight boxing. So to answer your question, no, it wouldn't ultimately prove anything. Not when the sample size you'd be offering is a single fight.

Fury absolutely was an excellent ammy.
His father asserted it was prejudice that stopped his selection for uk olympics due to his gypsy origins. So I have no doubt dspite accolades he was a far better anateur than Wilder. Am sure wilders power took him far in amateurs also.

Regarding if fury was ktfo in first fight...
He has amazing powers of recover but he was KO'd cold.

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Body motionless and limp with eyes rolled up in back of head...pretty much definition of KTFO. So no need for mytholgizing, it was a 'resurrection' moment for sure

 

[Seano]

Power usually doesn't beat skill. Power and some skill occasionally beat the more skilled fighter but more often than not, the big puncher fails against the better boxer.

 

[Reyesnuthugr]

Power only wins when it's insanely disproportionate for the weightclass, and even then, you have to use a fair amount of careful skill along with it to win with it consistently