Fury vs Wilder - does power really beat skill or the reverse?

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  1. TheMaster Take The Road To Reality

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    So we've seen Fury talk about being an excellent amateur and pro boxer (which he is), amazing footwork amd technique etc etc

    And we know Wilder is basically a genetically gifted basketball player who loops his wild swings and just has to land.

    So if Wilder KTFO's Fury (again, more conclusively) does this prove that ultimately;

    Power beats skill
     
  2. iwannabeadored Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    No because wilder although not extremely skilled compared to fury is still very very skilled
     
  3. hiphopnazi Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    One fight doesn't prove anything.
     
  4. Hagler Man of wealth and taste

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    Skill has beaten power, like, many times.
     
  5. ZOD66 Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    Only in heavyweight category
     
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    Fury wasn't an 'excellent' amateur boxer. Based on accomplishments you could say that he was close to that at the junior level but that's not the senior level and ultimately the senior level is what matters. Fury never went to the senior Worlds or the Olympics for example. Wilder, who was a more decorated amateur than Fury, qualified for and competed at the 2007 Worlds as a senior and 2008 Olympics where he medaled bronze. Fury has achieved more as a pro than he ever did in the amateurs.
    Boxing and basketball are completely different sports. In fact, they couldn't be more different. He's a gifted puncher you mean.
    If he was truly KTFO'ed then his head would've hit the canvas, yet that didn't happen. He claims he was 'out' but he also says a lot of things. He likes applying the whole phoenix rising from the ashes mythological analogy because it makes him look nearly superhuman to have gotten back to his feet. He's a sensationalist.

    Skill beats power more often than not but this is also Heavyweight boxing. So to answer your question, no, it wouldn't ultimately prove anything. Not when the sample size you'd be offering is a single fight.
     
  7. Jonny Ninja Red Belt

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    Yeah absolutely agree. it is a much bigger advantage at HW due to the vast differences in size and shape.
    One of the best recent examples of skill beating power was Josh Taylor vs Ohara Davis. Davis is the guy with the power and everyone not Scottish thought he’d run through Taylor. It was a fckin mismatch. Davis got battered, embarrassed and ktfo
     
  8. PUO3 You are a can. Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    More often than not, skill beats power in boxing.

    Everyone knows this.
     
  9. pwforgotlolol Orange Belt

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    Fury was out but wilders left hook brought him back
     
  10. RDL81 Purple Belt

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    you knock someone out with a metal pipe and then to revive them you hit them again.....ok got you that's how the human brain works.
     
  11. ZOD66 Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    So you saying Usyk have chance to be world champion in heavyweight. Yeeeeeeeeeeessssss
     
  12. Yacob Bill Joe Sanders can kiss my wrinkly nutsack

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    He's fighting for a title in march so...yeah
     
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    Iiiiiiiiiiihaaaaaaaaaa
     
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    What a great inspiration and motivation for training he is, not like this Masvidal now too selling alcohol wtf is wrong with this world. This is sport, healthy lifestyle
     
  15. 2020Tracked Blue Belt

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    You don't get to where Wilder is and beat the people he's beaten just by being powerful. Wilder isn't the best technical boxer in the world, obviously, but he's still a very high level.

    His power and the threat of it is a part of his game. If power alone made you the best Butterbean would have been long time reigning champion.
     
  16. TheMaster Take The Road To Reality

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    And Fury despite skill is still a 6"9 giant and outweighs Wilder by 50 pounds.
     
  17. TheMaster Take The Road To Reality

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    I question how truly 'high level' his technical striking is. He has good reflexes and understanding of range obviously.
    But his power is such an equalizer its hard to imagine how he would get far at all without it.
     
  18. WklySportsMemes Brown Belt

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    Exactly
    Knocking somebody out with big gloves isn't just about power at this level.
    Precision/accuracy, timing, speed, positioning, footwork, intelligence/ ring IQ are all skills.
    All while having defensive skill enough not to get KTFO by another giant puncher with power.
    Wilder KOing or knocking down other skilled guys is because his skill set is simply better and more effective according to the actual rules of boxing.
    Boxing values no skill higher than the skill of putting your opponent on the ground with legal punches.

    Also , his setups to some of the Ortiz knockdowns and KOs are as skilled as they come.
    It's funny when people talk about power but litterally didnt see or understand the setup that opened up the KO blow
     
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    Butterbean didn't hit like Wilder.

    With Wilder it is not just power. His physique is a massive advantage and he is quick, unlike most HWs. Wilder is an anomaly. Those 3 combined attributes are the main reason why he is knocking almost everyone out. He is not a high level boxer if he gets out boxed by everyone including Washington and Molina, but he doesn't need to be because hes not looking at winning any fight on points.
     
  20. RDL81 Purple Belt

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    I cant believe I am about to say this but I agree with the above 100% and that is what I really admire in wilder and what I think he has really improved on in recent fights......he is doing a lot less windmills and gotten really good at positioning his feet in the right place to deliver the perfect shot (position wise).....also his faints shouldn't be underestimated either.....he is not doing this by accident.
     

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