Full Body Workout vs Splits

[Haj01]

Here is an old school bodybuilder Leroy Colberts, who died this year actually RIP. But he was bodybuidling in the 30's and 40's before there were steroids available. And he says the split routine was created by the steroid users. As they can target the individual muscles more as they recover more. But for a natural lifter a full body workout is best. With no more than 3- 6 sets per muscle group. Every other day. Train one day, rest the next.

Leroy was the first man ever to build 21 inch biceps, and he did it drug free. Whilst only on the full body workout. Splits never used to exist back then




I have to say I agree with him. I have done both, and I feel alot better on a full body workout. Benefits include the fact instead of waiting a whole week to target your muscles again. Because you are not doing as many sets, you recover faster, and this means you can target the same muscle about 3- 4 times in a week.

I encourage you to watch the Videos and hear him talk about it. He explains it the best. Over 80 years of experience in the game. I tend to agree that splits are for the drug users, as they can target the muscles more as the steroids increase recovery rate. Full body is way better for a natural, and you are less likely to overtrain.

Please don't diss me or this man if you disagree. Just stay out. If you learnt something, or find something of use then please comment. I'm just putting this out there because I believe it will help to those interested in a more sustaining and more efficient training routine.

 

[Badger67]

I will watch later to see if it changes any of my viewpoints but i'll leave it at it largely depends on your goal.

 

[Haj01]

I will watch later to see if it changes any of my viewpoints but i'll leave it at it largely depends on your goal.

Well one thing I can guarantee, when you look at the classical bodybuilders of the early 20th century, guys like Steve Reeves. You don't get that kind of look today. The slim waist and broad back/shoulders look.

They all used to train with Full body then. And I much prefer the classic physique to what we see today.

 

[JimRussel]

I think, a lot of times, people don't realise that there isn't a whole lot of difference between "splits" and "full body" routines when it really comes down to it.

I guess I'll use a simple example.

"Full body":
Mon: Squats
Wed: Bench
Thu: Press
Fri: Deadlift
Sat: Bench, arms

"Split":
Mon: Legs
Wed: Chest, triceps
Thu: Shoulders
Fri: Back
Sat: Chest, arms

Sure, things can change with regard to frequency of compound lifts (squat, bench, deadlift), but in the end, sometimes it just comes down to semantics and there really might not be a whole lot of difference in the actual programming.

I don't agree with the 3-6 sets part. I also don't agree that you can't lift two days in a row if you're natural.

There are many ways to skin this lifting cat. This was his. He's not you or anyone else so, while worth considering, you have to take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Badger67]

I prefer that old look too but the sport has evolved, like every sport.

 

[Haj01]

I think, a lot of times, people don't realise that there isn't a whole lot of difference between "splits" and "full body" routines when it really comes down to it.

I guess I'll use a simple example.

"Full body":
Mon: Squats
Wed: Bench
Thu: Press
Fri: Deadlift
Sat: Bench, arms

"Split":
Mon: Legs
Wed: Chest, triceps
Thu: Shoulders
Fri: Back
Sat: Chest, arms

Sure, things can change with regard to frequency of compound lifts (squat, bench, deadlift), but in the end, sometimes it just comes down to semantics and there really might not be a whole lot of difference in the actual programming.

I don't agree with the 3-6 sets part. I also don't agree that you can't lift two days in a row if you're natural.

There are many ways to skin this lifting cat. This was his. He's not you or anyone else so, while worth considering, you have to take it with a grain of salt.

No full body conists of

Legs, Back, Shoulder, arms and chest all in one workout. In one day. The fact of the matter is they all trained like that back then. ALL of them, so you cannot say it doesn't work for everybody. And if you are doing less sets you will be recovering faster.

I look at the bodies, and I know you never had a body like his. So I would rather take his advice.

I recover in that days rest. You don't train everyday, its every other day, and if you need an extra day you can take it, nobody is forcing you. So i know i'm not overdoing it. I see this as ancient wisdom. Most of the advice we read today on websites are designed by the steroids guys! How can we relate to the guys on steroids, if we are not using them? That's why I'd take a naturals advice anyday.

Like if I was to look at your body, then I look at his. Who do you think i'm going to ask advice from? What have you accomplished in bodybuilding? This is not an attack on you, i'm just simply making what I believe to be a valid point. This is a tried and true wisdom right here! A goldmine!

 

[JimRussel]

No full body conists of

Legs, Back, Shoulder, arms and chest all in one workout. In one day. The fact of the matter is they all trained like that back then. ALL of them, so you cannot say it doesn't work for everybody. And if you are doing less sets you will be recovering faster.

I look at the bodies, and I know you never had a body like his. So I would rather take his advice.


I recover in that days rest. You don't train everyday, its every other day, and if you need an extra day you can take it, nobody is forcing you. So i know i'm not overdoing it. I see this as ancient wisdom. Most of the advice we read today on websites are designed by the steroids guys! How can we relate to the guys on steroids, if we are not using them? That's why I'd take a naturals advice anyday.

Like if I was to look at your body, then I look at his. Who do you think i'm going to ask advice from? What have you accomplished in bodybuilding? This is not an attack on you, i'm just simply making what I believe to be a valid point. This is a tried and true wisdom right here! A goldmine!

Sooo...I guess the big question becomes... Why did you even post the fucking thread?

 

[Haj01]

I prefer that old look too but the sport has evolved, like every sport.

I know the sports changed. It's not about the sport, it's about your personal health and conditioning. You want to look like this guy?

Which in my opinion is absolutely disgusting. Or would you rather look like the pics i posted earlier.

It's not about competive bodybuilding here. This about a good bodybuilding routine, for health, fitness and to look good for your personal self. Training for longevity.

 

[Haj01]

Sooo...I guess the big question becomes... Why did you even post the fucking thread?

Some people may be looking for something different, just creating awareness. If I can help just one person, that is good.

We've been fed too many lies, I want to create change. Don't reply unless you have something good to say.

 

[JimRussel]

I know the sports changed. It's not about the sport, it's about your personal health and conditioning. You want to look like this guy?

Which in my opinion is absolutely disgusting. Or would you rather look like the pics i posted earlier.

It's not about competive bodybuilding here. This about a good bodybuilding routine, for health, fitness and to look good for your personal self. Training for longevity.

This isn't a bodybuilding forum.

 

[Haj01]

This isn't a bodybuilding forum.

What i'm talking about is suitable for this section of the forums.

old school bodybuilding, which I'm talking about was directed at strength and conditioning as well as looking good my friend. The fact of the matter is lifting weights is a big part of strength and conditioning, I feel I have upset you and you are just trying to get back at me. I am not your enemy, no need to hate me. You don't agree with me I get it, no need to say anymore.

 

[JauntyAngle]

What i'm talking about is suitable for this section of the forums.

old school bodybuilding, which I'm talking about was directed at strength and conditioning as well as looking good my friend. The fact of the matter is lifting weights is a big part of strength and conditioning, I feel I have upset you and you are just trying to get back at me. I am not your enemy, no need to hate me. You don't agree with me I get it, no need to say anymore.

Lifting weights for strength is a big part of S&C, lifting weights for hypertrophy is a small part of S&C. Competitive bodybuilding and the methods used in competitive BB are no part of S&C at all.

The way bodybuilders approach training, or have changed training, might possibly have some relevance to S&C... but if it does, it needs some clear and careful explanaton. Which you definitely haven't given.

 

[Haj01]

Lifting weights for strength is a big part of S&C, lifting weights for hypertrophy is a small part of S&C. Competitive bodybuilding and the methods used in competitive BB are no part of S&C at all.

The way bodybuilders approach training, or have changed training, might possibly have some relevance to S&C... but if it does, it needs some clear and careful explanaton. Which you definitely haven't given.

I didn't intend to. I just wanted you guys to watch the videos. From a guy who is actually qualified to talk. I didn't want to be the one lecturing someone. And seeing how there is no bodybuilding section, I thought this was the best place for it. You said yourself lifting weights is a part of strength and conditioning. And I was just making a point that back in those days bodybuilding was more centered around strength and conditioning.

I didn't want any debates with anyone, as I said at the bottom of my first post. Just providing new information that's all. Take what you want and discard the rest. I was just genuinely interested in what people would think of this man Leroy and the way bodybuilders of that era trained. Because that was before steroids were around, and i'm interested in natural lifting and advice. What the guys used to do back then before there were any supplements or machines. They just had free weights. It is fascinating to me. I don't want to argue or say or say who's right or wrong. Just wanted a discussion.

 

[JimRussel]

Lol I'm not sure why you feel like this guy is so qualified to drop knowledge on us all. He was an old school bodybuilder. So the fuck what? He's not some special snowflake.

Training knowledge has improved significantly since he was around. Why you think the way he trained must be so amazing is beyond me.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

There are bodybuilders(competitive or not)that are natural who use all kinds of splits. Arnold got his start with a basic 5x5 routine which was full body. On the other hand there are bodybuilders who lift 6 days weeks who are natural. Does that help you or anybody? I dont know but there you go.

 

[Oblivian]

I only take advice from the guys that I think would look best naked.

 

[Haj01]

Lol I'm not sure why you feel like this guy is so qualified to drop knowledge on us all. He was an old school bodybuilder. So the fuck what? He's not some special snowflake.

Training knowledge has improved significantly since he was around. Why you think the way he trained must be so amazing is beyond me.

Guys like Arnold Schwarzenegger looked up to him and went to him for advice, these guys were the pioneers of today's training methods. Just check out his website http://leroycolbert.com/

It wasn't just his training method though, it was everybody in that era, before the 1960's, before drugs became available. I don't see anyone today with a bigger body, unless they are on the gear most of them. That's why I am interested. Because this is advice from a natural. Most of the guys from that era are all dead now, including him. He was the only guy on youtube from his time, that's why I am referencing him. Dude is in the bodybuilding hall of fame. Had his own nutrition stores, where many popular bodybuilders would visit for his advice, just check his website. You can see the modern bodybuilders he has helped.

So you are telling me, you will believe an article you read on the internet by some guy you have never even heard of, or seen. You don't know his credentials. But when a guy who has actually done something come along, you just write him off? If you didn't watch the videos yet, you cannot make a comment, because you are just ill-informed at this point.

If you think you already know, why bother posting. That's not being open minded. He was special at the time, because he was the first man ever to build 21inch arms, he was the first black man ever to be on the cover of a fitness magazine. And back then they thought it was impossible to grow arms past 18 inches. So if that is not revolutionary or commendable, then you just have your own head stuck up your ass.

I told you, if you disagree don't bother posting. I was just sharing information, if you enjoy good, if not move on. But don't hate on a guy you know nothing about.

 

[JimRussel]

Guys like Arnold Schwarzenegger looked up to him and went to him for advice, these guys were the pioneers of today's training methods. Just check out his website http://leroycolbert.com/

It wasn't just his training method though, it was everybody in that era, before the 1960's, before drugs became available. I don't see anyone today with a bigger body, unless they are on the gear most of them. That's why I am interested. Because this is advice from a natural. Most of the guys from that era are all dead now, including him. He was the only guy on youtube from his time, that's why I am referencing him. Dude is in the bodybuilding hall of fame. Had his own nutrition stores, where many popular bodybuilders would visit for his advice, just check his website. You can see the modern bodybuilders he has helped.

So you are telling me, you will believe an article you read on the internet by some guy you have never even heard of, or seen. You don't know his credentials. But when a guy who has actually done something come along, you just write him off? If you didn't watch the videos yet, you cannot make a comment, because you are just ill-informed at this point.

If you think you already know, why bother posting. That's not being open minded. He was special at the time, because he was the first man ever to build 21inch arms, he was the first black man ever to be on the cover of a fitness magazine. And back then they thought it was impossible to grow arms past 18 inches. So if that is not revolutionary or commendable, then you just have your own head stuck up your ass.

I told you, if you disagree don't bother posting. I was just sharing information, if you enjoy good, if not move on. But don't hate on a guy you know nothing about.

Hahaha are you a troll, or the guy's PR representitive?

 

[Haj01]

Hahaha are you a troll, or the guy's PR representitive?

Your Jimmies have been Russeled

 

[JimRussel]

Your Jimmies have been Russeled

Severely.

Hopefully, through this guy's material, which you have been so generous to share, I can learn how to lift weights and get big.