"Free rides don't last forever." - Bad Boy CEO on Reebok deal

What purpose? UFC can make as much money by raising the sponsor tax (since all the money is going to the fighters anyway), sponsors get exposure, fighters get paid better. The only loser is Rebox and they're going to lose anyway because of all the negative publicity of doing business with scumbags.

After all this time you don't know the point of the deal was to uniform the UFC so it looks professional???

Also, you are insane if you think Reebok will be hurt by any of this.
You really think the majority of MMA fans (never-mind non fans) are thinking negative towards the deal?

Most could not give a shit lol
 
Kind of. There's a huge difference between tens (or maybe hundreds during prime time) of thousands of dollars for a 30 second spot on a major network and the piddly sponsor tax for 30 minutes of exposure through the UFC.

At least that's what the Bad Boy CEO meant.

i know that

just wanted to shit a bit on the ufc

but as the guy said, you could have just increased the sponsor tax then

I'm not talking about her exclusive Reebok sponsorship. I'm talking about all her outside sponsors that she has no problem securing. In fact, she had to remove the sponsorship contact email on her official website due to "overwhelming requests".

If your old sponsors are dropping you only because you have to wear Reebok uniform in fewer than 10 out of 365 days, then it's not the UFC's problem, it's YOUR problem. It means that you're only getting sponsored originally for the exposure you were getting in the UFC octagon, not for your general star power, so it stands to reason that any revenue generated by UFC octagon exposure should be controlled by the UFC, not you.

yeah, but that because is HUGE

shes the biggest star on the sport, so securing whatever deals may appear isnt hard for her
 
A free ride? They sponsored the fighters who made the UFC what it is today. It was a symbiotic relationship. That's why Tapout was so big, because people respected them for being there in the early days of MMA and supporting the fighters and paying the bills so they could train.

I get that and i agree. I was just speaking to the amount of money they saved in traditional advertising fees in that space.
 
That sponsor tax was what, 50k? That's practically free for the exposure they were getting.

The UFC isn't prohibiting any fighter from getting any sponsors outside of fight week Reebok obligations. If fighters can't secure sponsors under these conditions, it's 100% their fault. Rousey has to wear Reebok, but you don't see her having any problem with outside sponsors.

It's partly under their control and it partly isn't.

Under their control: their image, their persona, their reputation, business sense and most importantly imo if they're a champion or not.

Out of their control: what they look like, who they know at companies that would pay them, how much push they get from the UFC

Georges had it right with a PR team and agents going out to look for opportunities FOR him. The difference being that he was a highly respected and highly dominant champion that put seats in asses. Someone like Keith Jardine (sorry Keith) is going to have a hell of a lot harder time securing a lucrative contract and some assclown like Thiago Silva is probably too busy getting arrested for something to even talk to sponsorship people.
 
What purpose? UFC can make as much money by raising the sponsor tax (since all the Rebox money is going to the fighters anyway), sponsors get exposure, fighters get paid better. The only loser is Rebox and they're going to lose anyway because of all the negative publicity of doing business with scumbags.

You're missing the point. It's not simply a matter of "charging the sponsors more money". The UFC believes it is their platform that's creating the exposure for these athletes and sponsors, and therefore they should have control over the ad revenue on said platform - not just in terms of compensation, but also in design, merchandising etc.

That's why the Reebok money is going towards the athletes, UFC isn't taking a cut from the sponor money, they're taking a cut from the merchandising, and they're reinforcing their own brand (hence the massive UFC logos plastered all over the Reebok kits). They want that control.
 
After all this time you don't know the point of the deal was to uniform the UFC so it looks professional???

Also, you are insane if you think Reebok will be hurt by any of this.
You really think the majority of MMA fans (never-mind non fans) are thinking negative towards the deal?

Most could not give a shit lol

Professional-looking cage fighters? Bit of an oxymoron. This is a fringe sport where people beat each other up; making them look professional just doesn't fit. Even Nascar drivers have sponsor logos all over their firesuits and cars and they are pros in one of the biggest "sports" in the world.

Reebok apparently cares about negative feedback because they responded to the Stitch firing. Also it's not just about bad publicity. If people don't buy their products because they are ugly and expensive, that hurts Reebok.
 
Professional-looking cage fighters? Bit of an oxymoron. This is a fringe sport where people beat each other up; making them look professional just doesn't fit. Even Nascar drivers have sponsor logos all over their firesuits and cars and they are pros in one of the biggest "sports" in the world.

Reebok apparently cares about negative feedback because they responded to the Stitch firing. Also it's not just about bad publicity. If people don't buy their products because they are ugly and expensive, that hurts Reebok.

You don't get it
No surprise

Have a good one
 
You're missing the point. It's not simply a matter of "charging the sponsors more money". The UFC believes it is their platform that's creating the exposure for these athletes and sponsors, and therefore they should have control over the ad revenue on said platform - not just in terms of compensation, but also in design, merchandising etc.

That's why the Reebok money is going towards the athletes, UFC isn't taking a cut from the sponor money, they're taking a cut from the merchandising, and they're reinforcing their own brand (hence the massive UFC logos plastered all over the Reebok kits). They want that control.

UFC is fools if they believe that, which they apparently do. Ronda Rowdy, Aldo, and Conor Mc are bringing in the fans, same as Brock, Anderson Spider, and GSP did before. People aren't watching UFC for the fights, they are watching for these stars. The stars make the UFC, not the other way around.

UFC should take a page from soccer with handling of the sponsors. They can still have their logo centerstage on the front of the shirt, with other sponsors on the sleeves and along the shoulder line and on the back.
 
Instead of going with Reebok only, couldn't the UFC have charged the sponsors for showcasing their product ?

I'm sure Reebok had some say about not wanting any other clothing/apparel brand to be able to advertise with them. That's why you still see Monster Energy Drink and other stuff on the canvas, but nothing that comes close to completing with Reebok.
 
It's partly under their control and it partly isn't.

Under their control: their image, their persona, their reputation, business sense and most importantly imo if they're a champion or not.

Out of their control: what they look like, who they know at companies that would pay them, how much push they get from the UFC

If looks mattered more than actual fighting ability Elias Theodorou and Miesha Tate would be far bigger stars than Ronda butterface Rousey. If "who you know" at companies mattered Silva wouldn't be getting any money from Nike and Burger King because he sure wasn't born into those connections. And if you think whom UFC pushes is out of that person's control you're delusional. McGregor worked his ass off, promotionally and performance-wise, to convince Dana and Lorenzo to back him with all they've got.

Everything is up for grabs. It is ALL up to the athlete.
 
UFC is fools if they believe that, which they apparently do. Ronda Rowdy, Aldo, and Conor Mc are bringing in the fans, same as Brock, Anderson Spider, and GSP did before. People aren't watching UFC for the fights, they are watching for these stars. The stars make the UFC, not the other way around.

I don't think the UFC is disagreeing with you on this one, that's why most of these major stars get exclusive apparel sponsorships, and if you remember, Conor McGregor wasn't even wearing the standard Reebok kid during his 189 weigh ins, he had some kind of signature McGregor Reebok thing on, and I'm pretty sure Reebok will roll out more of these personalized Reebok gear for their major stars in the near future.

But aside from these major stars, you would be dead wrong. People tune in to watch McGregor, Rousey, GSP and Brock + the UFC brand, sure, but the average person doesn't tune in to watch the Sam Alveys or Cole Millers of the sport, and there's no reason why UFC should give 2 shits about them, other than give they a crappy fixed rate and tell them to go F off. Is it greedy? Of course it is, but that's how business is.
 
I don't think the UFC is disagreeing with you on this one, that's why most of these major stars get exclusive apparel sponsorships, and if you remember, Conor McGregor wasn't even wearing the standard Reebok kid during his 189 weigh ins, he had some kind of signature McGregor Reebok thing on, and I'm pretty sure Reebok will roll out more of these personalized Reebok gear for their major stars in the near future.

But aside from these major stars, you would be dead wrong. People tune in to watch McGregor, Rousey, GSP and Brock + the UFC brand, sure, but the average person doesn't tune in to watch the Sam Alveys or Cole Millers of the sport, and there's no reason why UFC should give 2 shits about them, other than give they a crappy fixed rate and tell them to go F off. Is it greedy? Of course it is, but that's how business is.
It goes both ways though. If it was just a single fight of Ronda vs whoever on a "card", they wouldn't get as many viewers or sponsor dollars. Same reason it's not just Mayweather/Pacquiao on a card, they have other fighters too. They have to fill a 2-3 hour show with other quality fighters and entertainment. These other fighters are the ones who can potentially get more dedicated fans and not just the casuals who will disappear when Ronda is gone. It happened with Brock.

Also how do you find the next Ronda or Conor Mc if you don't pay guys enough so they make a career of it? We'll be back to part time fighters and bum fights in the cage.
 
Maybe you just suck at explaining an erroneous point?

Let me think .... nah ... its you
It has been explained many times by many people
I just chose not to manipulate a thread by continuing to converse about it

Have a good one
 
Well let's see what it got you.

I've been watching MMA for a very long time. This is the first time I've ever heard of Bad Boy.
 
It's partly under their control and it partly isn't.

Under their control: their image, their persona, their reputation, business sense and most importantly imo if they're a champion or not.

Out of their control: what they look like, who they know at companies that would pay them, how much push they get from the UFC

Georges had it right with a PR team and agents going out to look for opportunities FOR him. The difference being that he was a highly respected and highly dominant champion that put seats in asses. Someone like Keith Jardine (sorry Keith) is going to have a hell of a lot harder time securing a lucrative contract and some assclown like Thiago Silva is probably too busy getting arrested for something to even talk to sponsorship people.

I've thought for some time that one of the biggest issues that these fighters have been having is that they're hiring shoddy managers. From what I can tell, just about anyone and their kid brother can get some business cards printed, spit out a contract on their lap top and call themselves a "fight manager".

The problem with that model (and it happens in music and boxing as well) is that most of these guys can't market their way out of a wet paper bag.

Long post incoming.... /RANT ON.

Marketing and building a brand is actual work. It requires defining the characteristics of your product, aligning it with the correct market segments, and then banging on doors to find the right sponsors.

More importantly it requires active work with media and in the relevant communities to continue to build your brand day in and day out so that you can go to potential sponsors and say, "My guy has a fan base of XXX, they tend to be from YYY demographic, they're hardcore as heck, and I think they'd be a great fit for the image you want to project into the marketplace."

If a fighter has a half decent manager, the manager would FORCE them to do media, to hit every podcast in sight, to do interviews with the local news as often as possible as well as make public appearances and engagements to make sure that they are being remembered as more than Anonymous_fighter_001.

The problem with the pre-Reebok model is that it allowed WAY too many "managers" to sit on their asses and coast on the "Oh, he's on fight night with XXX anticipated viewers" and then just negotiate for a check. Now, with the gravy train gone managers are actually going to have to WORK for a living and that's why you're seeing fighters re-assess their relationships with the fighters.

Here's something that people don't realize, but the Women actually have mastered this. Since the women's divisions didn't even EXIST 3 years ago, the women got a ton of hard knock lessons on how to guerrilla market themselves. Look at early interviews with fighters like Tate, Carmouche, Kaufman and Rousey and they would talk about banging on doors, selling T-shirts out of their cars, engaging frequently on Twitter or AMA's, etc. Flyers, walking the pavement to sell tickets... they were willing to do anything and everything just to get butts in seats and people paying attention.

Is it any wonder that Miesha Tate, the #1 contender in 135 has MORE twitter followers than many of the actual Men's Champions? Hell, she had more followers in Strikeforce than some of the current Male Champions. Think about that... these guys had ALL the advantages of TV, mainstream press, UFC marketing muscle, and a bunch of girls working in obscurity were building higher profiles than them.

Yes, it's a new world and athletic pay sucks in the UFC without branded ring apparel but a portion of the blame also has to go on the fighters. When champions have to be dragged to interviews, when fighters say that they won't do interviews outside of the contract required time, and when fighters won't engage in social media can we really place the blame fully on the UFC and the UFC marketing machine?

Think about this, let's say you're the UFC and you've got a fixed budget but 500+ fighters on the roster. How much are you REALLY going to spend to promote a fighter who doesn't want to promote themselves? Are you going to go out of your way to help the guy that doesn't want to step up to the plate? Or are you going to put your dollars to people that are willing to put their nose to the grindstone, make no excuses, do the promotion and STILL put in the time to train and fight?

Free rides are great when they last, but when the gravy train shuts down that's when you find out who's really willing to put in the work and who thinks they're too good to promote themselves.

If half of these fighters used their brains, they would start calling up the women fighters that they know and ask for lessons.
 
Nosy people are still gonna whine.
 
It goes both ways though. If it was just a single fight of Ronda vs whoever on a "card", they wouldn't get as many viewers or sponsor dollars. Same reason it's not just Mayweather/Pacquiao on a card, they have other fighters too. They have to fill a 2-3 hour show with other quality fighters and entertainment. These other fighters are the ones who can potentially get more dedicated fans and not just the casuals who will disappear when Ronda is gone. It happened with Brock.

This goes back to the whole union argument. Sure, collectively, the legions of filler fighters represent something significant. They're collectively, indispensable to UFC, as much as any of their major stars are. Individually? They're utterly replaceable, and since there is no collective negotiation with the UFC, the individual filler fighters have no bargaining power, and the UFC can throw them a bone and they'll have to live with it pure and simple.

If any of the filler fighters ever become a fan favorite, like a Cerrone, their value to the company would increase, they would have more bargaining power, and the their deal would change accordingly. This is why popular Mexican fighter Yair Rodriguez got an exclusive deal with Reebok despite being a nobody. Bottom line is this is all happening on an individual basis, and if you're just "one of the guys", then you're shit out of luck.
 
That sponsor tax was what, 50k? That's practically free for the exposure they were getting.

The UFC isn't prohibiting any fighter from getting any sponsors outside of fight week Reebok obligations. If fighters can't secure sponsors under these conditions, it's 100% their fault. Rousey has to wear Reebok, but you don't see her having any problem with outside sponsors.

Are you fucking retarted? Ronda has no issue getting sponsors so that means everyone shouldn't have issue.

Ronda also has no issue landing movie roles too
 
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