International France must stand firm in face of ‘new world disorder’ embodied by Musk, says PM

[Koro_11]

Yes, your gas lighting and lying. You came into my conversation and you've ducked my point every single time and just added your own points instead. You're being completely dishonest. You are a liar and your friends will you get away with it because they're all liars and you guys don't even engage in honest discussion.


It's like you're living alternative facts and alternative realities because you're in a cult. You're in a cult and you've listened to a con man who's a liar a sex perpetrator a con man, a bully, a litigator and an all-around despicable villain.

And instead of engaging that your entire justification seems to be. "But what about the Democrats??" It's pitiful.

Ok I don't agree, but I'll play it your way.

You ask me whatever you want me to answer and I will give you my honest stance on it, and after that I will ask you and let's see if you can do the same.

Go ahead...

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Ok cool, now we can work from there.

I don't spend all day thinking about it either, I actually don't even post here all that often but I got some fucken flu the other day so I'm stuck in my house and I've had a lot of free time this week.

The reason I keep going back to the whole gender nonsense is because it's such low hanging fruit that it's impossible to ignore.

Like I might even be open to hearing out some of the left of center position, I actually agree with some of them, I'm an immigrant myself and I like the idea of universal healthcare, and maybe more taxes for the rich, etc... but I just can't fucken listen to someone if they're gonna push this Orwellian doublespeak lunacy.

If we can't agree on the most basic objective reality such as grade 3 biology, how can I move forward with any serious conversation with such a person?

If someone wants to convince me that we should in fact discriminate based or race, I have nothing more to talk about with that person.

Like what do you want me to say? If we can't agree on these most basic human principles then we have no place to go from there.

I think left and right as a general concept is pretty stupid tbh. I don't see why I should share opinions on everything with roughly 50% of the country. Most people should be left on some things and right on others.

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

Imagine being worried about a man on twitter more than your conquered country.

 

[Koro_11]

I think left and right as a general concept is pretty stupid tbh. I don't see why I should share opinions on everything with roughly 50% of the country. Most people should be left on some things and right on others.

Ok fair enough, I agree with that and I believe the same.

But again you're kinda ducking the topic.

One side is pushing for discrimination based on race, and wants to let men compete in women's sports, go to female prisons, etc. Can you not understand why I think they can not be taken seriously on any other issue until we can establish the most basic objective reality first?

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Ok fair enough, I agree with that and I believe the same.

But again you're kinda ducking the topic.

One side is pushing for discrimination based on race, and wants to let men compete in women's sports, go to female prisons, etc. Can you not understand why I think they can not be taken seriously on any other issue until we can establish the most basic objective reality first?

I'm not American so I don't have to worry about that. If I was I don't think I'd vote for either of the main parties. They're both shit.

 

[Andy Capp]

by definition it can't be a cult if the majority voted for it. A cult is belief or group that only a tiny minority of people subscribe to. Did you just learn this word today perhaps ?

 

[Koro_11]

I'm not American so I don't have to worry about that. If I was I don't think I'd vote for either of the main parties. They're both shit.

I'm not American either, we're just having a conversation but you're sidestepping again so I'm guessing you don't really wanna have that conversation, which is understandable.

My advice to you is just decide what you are on here, if you wanna be a troll dropping zingers and dunking on conservatives, then embrace it and go all in.

If you wanna be honest and reasonable, then you should be prepared to defend your position.

 

[terrapin]

Ok I don't agree, but I'll play it your way.

You ask me whatever you want me to answer and I will give you my honest stance on it, and after that I will ask you and let's see if you can do the same.

Go ahead...

I've already engaged you with many points that you've ducked or answered incorrectly and I've pointed that out and then you've ducked ....go back and read them. You're the one that played the avoiding game and tried to pretend I was ducking conversations. That's the kind of lying that Trump is teaching you.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

I'm not American either, we're just having a conversation but you're sidestepping again so I'm guessing you don't really wanna have that conversation, which is understandable.

My advice to you is just decide what you are on here, if you wanna be a troll dropping zingers and dunking on conservatives, then embrace it and go all in.

If you wanna be honest and reasonable, then you should be prepared to defend your position.

I don't know what position you think I have though. My position on American politics is I wouldn't vote for either of them.

 

[Koro_11]

I've already engaged you with many points that you've ducked or answered incorrectly and I've pointed that out and then you've ducked ....go back and read them. You're the one that played the avoiding game and tried to pretend I was ducking conversations. That's the kind of lying that Trump is teaching you.

Ok cool, I accept your surrender.

 

[Koro_11]

I don't know what position you think I have though. My position on American politics is I wouldn't vote for either of them.

Except you predictably defend every single left of center stance, but whatever you say.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Except you predictably defend every single left of center stance, but whatever you say.

I defend the ones you notice perhaps but I've said on here in the past that I'm anti-immigration, pro-life, against trans in sports, against pre-op trans in opposite sex changing rooms, against DEI and several other things which might make me right wing according to some.

I'm pretty left wing on the environment and government owned public services.

 

[Koro_11]

I defend the ones you notice perhaps but I've said on here in the past that I'm anti-immigration, pro-life, against trans in sports, against pre-op trans in opposite sex changing rooms, against DEI and several other things which might make me right wing according to some.

I'm pretty left wing on the environment and government owned public services.

So then why would you take issue with me saying that men can not be women?

 

[Hellowhosthat]

So then why would you take issue with me saying that men can not be women?

If you read it, I didn't take issue with it. I just think it's funny how much people on here talk about it.

 

[kflo]

Ok fair enough, I agree with that and I believe the same.

But again you're kinda ducking the topic.

One side is pushing for discrimination based on race, and wants to let men compete in women's sports, go to female prisons, etc. Can you not understand why I think they can not be taken seriously on any other issue until we can establish the most basic objective reality first?

why is it you think the only consideration has to be some "objective reality"?

trans men must use women's spaces for what reason exactly? and this is the #1 issue of our times......

 

[terrapin]

Ok cool, I accept your surrender.

Why wouldnt you? The leader of alternative facts has taught you well. With Trump, you don't need to be right or even be able to make an argument. You just make false claims and then go on the feeling it gives you when you do it.

But that's building your entire worldview on a house of cards obviously.

 

[TheGreatA]

Of course he'd call out Musk rather than someone like Putin.

Apart from posting random BS on his own platform, Musk isn't really responsible for any of the "disorder" in the world. His influence is mostly limited to the amount of head space people give him.

 

[Koro_11]

Why wouldnt you? The leader of alternative facts has taught you well. With Trump, you don't need to be right or even be able to make an argument. You just make false claims and then go on the feeling it gives you when you do it.

But that's building your entire worldview on a house of cards obviously.

I have no idea why you keep mentioning Trump, I'm talking about apples you're talking about orange man. But whatever dude, I tried to engage with you honestly and you refused, I don't know what more you want me to say.

 

[Koro_11]

why is it you think the only consideration has to be some "objective reality"?

trans men must use women's spaces for what reason exactly? and this is the #1 issue of our times......

Because how can we agree on anything if we can't even agree on the most basic biology we've all known for hundreds of thousands of years.

I don't understand the second part of your reply, I don't know what "trans men" is supposed to mean. There are men, and they should use men's spaces, and there are women and they should use women's spaces. This really is as simple as it sounds and it has got us through hundreds of thousands of years.

Now the fact that there are confused people, and mentally ill people, and narcissistic entitled people, and perverted people, dishonest people, this is also nothing new and I'm sure these people also existed for all those thousands of years... none of this changes these most basic facts.

 

[Ruke Doufus]

So you pick this over Trump

Seems pretty straightforward to me. Have doctors continue to correctly assess gender at birth and consult that record to verify their gender when enrolling in sports.