Media Former UFC top contender John Moraga gives young top boxing prospect tough fight

This has nothing to with age and more with technique and timing. Just shows how a young boxer with only 1 fight can easily school a UFC veteran top 5 contender in pure boxing.
To be fair, I am quite confident a high school wrestler could beat Floyd Mayweather in MMA.
 
partially agree. what im saying is that the reason why the "patterns, combinations and timing" seem "wrong" is because they're drilling (and this develops muscle memory) for a completely different threat. in boxing you can drill defenses wherein you only worry about two limbs and only defending the upper part of your body. if mma fighters drill to be good boxers, they'd partially lose the muscle memory to be ready to sprawl, check kicks, etc. in boxing you can worry about feints and combos, but you don't have to worry about possibly being shot on with a double leg, or calf kicks, or punches that transition into spinning backfists, headkicks, etc.
Boxer standing in pocket, ducking his Head to opponents waistline. Boxers : mma fighters don’t use boxing techniques.
Yeah maybe because ducking your head into your opponents waistline in mma is a knee to the dome. Even the footwork is itrrelevant in mma. You are planning your distance management for arm length. How many boxers have Arms the length of legs?

If boxers came into mma over half of their tools would be invalid too. You’d see a lot of boxers slipping out of the pocket with their upper body and eating leg kicks
 
Boxer standing in pocket, ducking his Head to opponents waistline. Boxers : mma fighters don’t use boxing techniques.
Yeah maybe because ducking your head into your opponents waistline in mma is a knee to the dome. Even the footwork is itrrelevant in mma. You are planning your distance management for arm length. How many boxers have Arms the length of legs?

If boxers came into mma over half of their tools would be invalid too. You’d see a lot of boxers slipping out of the pocket with their upper body and eating leg kicks

exactly what i meant. and a lot of the boxing simps don't get that lol. at least @FIghtxIQ engages in a good rational dissection of the differences, even if we're not agreeing 100% on all points.
 
This has nothing to with age and more with technique and timing. Just shows how a young boxer with only 1 fight can easily school a UFC veteran top 5 contender in pure boxing.
That young boxer has over 170 amateur fights. He's not the same as those cans that debut with no experience only to get crushed by other prospects.
 
This makes UFC look so bad. He was a former title challenger. He has a record of 1-3 in boxing? That's so bad. I'm not saying he should be beating high level boxers but a negative record is just pathetic.

Is almost as bad as Hendricks getting fisted in bare knuckle by that gay porn actor or timmeh losing in 6 seconds to mercer

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Artem Lobov beat Paulie Malinaggi. A can from MMA was able to defeat a former world champion in boxing in boxing rules.
 
Realizing this guy would destroy Yan, Holloway, etc in 2 rounds in a boxing match

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He looks like Elon Musk.
 
They would all get absolutely battered by any world class boxer.

This is Anderson's boxing record

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/152826

lol at Conor having "done it already" too. He got clowned and played with by a retired 40 year old Floyd, who made a name for himself at 130 pounds. Conor would get absolutely demolished by any good prime boxer around his weight at 154 or 160.

Here is how he looked in a boxing ring, against an elite fighter.

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Adesanya has done better than most. He holds a win over Brian Minto, who is a known name at least. Even that sounds better than it really is. It's the same Brian Minto who got beaten up and stopped by every decent fighter he ever fought, and Izzy could only manage a SD over a 40 year old Minto.

Out of the names you suggested, Max, Poirier and Yan would do the best. Mainly Max because of sheer durability, workrate, stamina, and chin. For those reasons alone he'd put up somewhat of a fight and not look quite as silly as the rest of them, against an elite boxer.
I think Masvidal would do as great as those 3 names.
 
Disgusting commentary team suggesting UFC fighters aren't real fighters. Moraga was mainly a wrestler grappler, also he's very old for the weightclass. Let some boxer go against MMA prospect and watch him get brutally sent into the shadow realm.
Nobody ever wants to do "celebrity MMA" or a crossover fight in MMA. Money is merely a built in excuse, we all know the reason why.
 
That young boxer has over 170 amateur fights. He's not the same as those cans that debut with no experience only to get crushed by other prospects.
We are not talking about cans when we are talking about high level boxing. Most high level boxers have a shit load of amateur boxing fights. The point is he had one prior pro boxing fight before this fight. You can't claim the young prospect has an experience advantage in fighting vs a UFC veteran that was in the top 5 of his division. This just highlights the typical skill gap between the 2 sports. Yes there are cans from both boxing and mma, but that's not what we are discussing here. Elite level boxing is really on another level. Once we start having cross over fights or if Zuffa Boxing ever happens people will realize that. There are mma fighters though that can compete at that level in pure boxing, but like I said there isn't a whole ot of them. This is typically the usual outcome when it's mma vs boxing, unless it's the few that have high level mma boxing - those fighters can be competitive.
 
partially agree. what im saying is that the reason why the "patterns, combinations and timing" seem "wrong" is because they're drilling (and this develops muscle memory) for a completely different threat. in boxing you can drill defenses wherein you only worry about two limbs and only defending the upper part of your body. if mma fighters drill to be good boxers, they'd partially lose the muscle memory to be ready to sprawl, check kicks, etc. in boxing you can worry about feints and combos, but you don't have to worry about possibly being shot on with a double leg, or calf kicks, or punches that transition into spinning backfists, headkicks, etc.
It can be done, you just need the mma experience and knowledge about the other striking styles. People think you can't do boxing techniques in mma, people also thought you can't do spinning moves in mma. It's all a matter of adjusting moves to be effective in mma. Everything in boxing can be done in mma, Philly shell and everything else. Dustin uses the Philly shell and people always said that would never work in mma. It's just people don't have the understanding or skill to use those techniques because they haven't drilled/practiced them enough or just don't understand how to use the technique since it's techniques only found in pure boxing. Dustin trains pure boxing from a pure boxing coach, that's how he improved his mma boxing.

The patterns/combinations/timing from pure boxing can be easily done in mma, it's just that they don't train to that level of boxing. It's advanced level of boxing and most just practice basic combinations/patterns. High level pure boxers/trainers just have a different level of boxing and unless you've experienced it in either training/fighting it's hard to comprehend that skill difference.
 
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To be fair, I am quite confident a high school wrestler could beat Floyd Mayweather in MMA.
Floyd is strong in the clinch, Conor couldn't work him in the clinch like he thought he would. His style of boxing is a counter clinching boxing style. He knows how to frame and connect while you are trying to clinch/grapple him.
 
Boxer standing in pocket, ducking his Head to opponents waistline. Boxers : mma fighters don’t use boxing techniques.
Yeah maybe because ducking your head into your opponents waistline in mma is a knee to the dome. Even the footwork is itrrelevant in mma. You are planning your distance management for arm length. How many boxers have Arms the length of legs?

If boxers came into mma over half of their tools would be invalid too. You’d see a lot of boxers slipping out of the pocket with their upper body and eating leg kicks
No because just look at some of Garbrandth's, Halloways, Anderson's fights when they use head movement and slipping punches. If you know when to do it, you can do it in mma. It's not any different than any other techniques, it's just that most fighters don't work their pure boxing to that level. Most fighters don't use footwork/movement, and even less have any kind of head movement.
 
We are not talking about cans when we are talking about high level boxing. Most high level boxers have a shit load of amateur boxing fights. The point is he had one prior pro boxing fight before this fight. You can't claim the young prospect has an experience advantage in fighting vs a UFC veteran that was in the top 5 of his division. This just highlights the typical skill gap between the 2 sports. Yes there are cans from both boxing and mma, but that's not what we are discussing here. Elite level boxing is really on another level. Once we start having cross over fights or if Zuffa Boxing ever happens people will realize that. There are mma fighters though that can compete at that level in pure boxing, but like I said there isn't a whole ot of them. This is typically the usual outcome when it's mma vs boxing, unless it's the few that have high level mma boxing - those fighters can be competitive.
My point was that not all 1-0 pro boxers are the same. Some 1-0 guys are legitimately inexperienced and are the types of guys Moraga should be facing. He shouldn't be facing someone with such a decorated amateur career.
 
My point was that not all 1-0 pro boxers are the same. Some 1-0 guys are legitimately inexperienced and are the types of guys Moraga should be facing. He shouldn't be facing someone with such a decorated amateur career.
Ok, yeah this 1-0 pro was a highly ranked amateur champion, not all 1-0 pros will be anywhere near his level. But even with the long amateur career, pro boxing is a different style of boxing compared to amateur boxing. A lot of fighters that had a lot of success in their amateur career don't always transition well into the pro boxing style - where it's more focused on power punching, damage, TKO/KO.
 
Artem Lobov beat Paulie Malinaggi. A can from MMA was able to defeat a former world champion in boxing in boxing rules.
Well... they were not boxing rules, they were bare knuckle rules. 2 minutes rounds, no gloves, clinching and punching, only 5 rounds. Do you really think that Artem would have beaten him in a 12 round fight with boxing gloves and rules?

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It can be done, you just need the mma experience and knowledge about the other striking styles. People think you can't do boxing techniques in mma, people also thought you can't do spinning moves in mma. It's all a matter of adjusting moves to be effective in mma. Everything in boxing can be done in mma, Philly shell and everything else. Dustin uses the Philly shell and people always said that would never work in mma. It's just people don't have the understanding or skill to use those techniques because they haven't drilled/practiced them enough or just don't understand how to use the technique since it's techniques only found in pure boxing. Dustin trains pure boxing from a pure boxing coach, that's how he improved his mma boxing.

The patterns/combinations/timing from pure boxing can be easily done in mma, it's just that they don't train to that level of boxing. It's advanced level of boxing and most just practice basic combinations/patterns. High level pure boxers/trainers just have a different level of boxing and unless you've experienced it in either training/fighting it's hard to comprehend that skill difference.

not entirely true.

what i agree with is that you're making a point about "using boxing techniques and adjusting them to mma". that is correct.

what i am disagreeing on is that, my point is you can't use all boxing techniques and be as effective in mma. some sacrifices need to be made, and when doing drills, which create muscle memory, there's boxing techniques that you simply can't allow to be drilled into your habits.

@ifindgifsforjackslack gave some examples which are very valid, and i'd like us to tackle them just as examples, not as the be-all-end-all principle of this discussion. slipping a punch and ducking or weaving is not as safe to do in mma as in boxing because of knees, so when drilling, you can't just train to slip/weave/bob when being punched. boxers have the luxury of NOT having to drill leg kick defense, or sprawls. when mma fighters need to incorporate those things in what they need to drill, stances get affected, and distance management, which means that there's simply habits and practices in boxing that will do jack-shit in mma; and mma guys need not pick up on those habits UNLESS THEY WANT TO GO INTO BOXING FOR THE REST OF THEIR FIGHTING CAREERS (in which case it'd make sense that they fully commit to those boxing techniques).
 
Tough fight???

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ok, he was a late replacement but that was a beatdown.
 
Well... they were not boxing rules, they were bare knuckle rules. 2 minutes rounds, no gloves, clinching and punching, only 5 rounds. Do you really think that Artem would have beaten him in a 12 round fight with boxing gloves and rules?

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Do you think someone like Mike Tyson or Roy Jones Jr would actually lose to a can from MMA in a contest that consists of punches only?
 
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