Crime Former Oregon House Speaker Dave Hunt cited in sex trafficking sting

[Hollywood Jack]

All of the politicians I mentioned support abortion up to the point of birth, including partial-birth abortion although most babies are able to survive outside the mother after the 2nd trimester.

Senator Reid, reflecting a pro-life view, believes that Roe vs. Wade should be overturned. He stated in a 1998 National Political Awareness Test that he believed "Abortions should be legal only when the pregnancy resulted from incest, rape, or when the life of the woman is endangered."[1] In 1999, he voted against an amendment that explicitly expressed support for Roe v. Wade.[2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Harry_Reid#Abortion_issues

In 2003, Biden voted for the "Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Joe_Biden#Abortion_bans

"I do not view abortion as a choice and a right. I think it's always a tragedy[.]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Joe_Biden#Roe_v._Wade

 

[Squarechoke]

I don't disagree with your assertion, there are plenty of industries that are exploitive yet they enjoy a wide margin of legal protection. I believe that legalization is a better means than continuing to criminalize the women, put money into the hands of those who victimize them, and not have oversight concerning health practices and transmission of STD's.

If a woman can sit at home having sex on webcam while some chump deposits money into her account through Venmo then I see no reason why that same woman can't service "clients", and swipe their cards on Apple pay. My country draws a distinction between paying a porn star to have sex through company funds and paying a prostitute for sex through private funds. It makes no sense to me.

You don't have to criminalize the women to have prostition be illegal. In Sweden it's not illegal to sell sex but it's illegal to buy. That solves the issue of not wanting to criminalize the women that are often victims and putting all the legal burden on the ones using them. Of course it doesn't solve the issue of that prostitution still exists and that some women are forced into it in various ways, but then again neither has making prostitution legal so it's a complex matter to solve.

 

[skold]

Can you not read?

If you can, read this again -

"In 2011, he also voted for HB 2714, that bill created the crime of commercial sexual solicitation, the crime for which he was arrested and cited."

By the law he himself supported, which defined the crime he committed as 'Sex Trafficking.' Can't claim ignorance of the law on this one, since he was a law maker who supported it.

Sure, but you tried to connect him to child sexual abuse and trafficking in your OP, care to explain?

 

[GearSolidMetal]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Harry_Reid#Abortion_issues

Sure. He was a lifelong politician, a Senator for decades, including being the leader of the senate from 2007-2014... and with all that political power and influence couldn't do anything regarding abortion.
And, from that same link..
"as well as a 57% rating by Planned Parenthood in 2006 and an 85% rating in 2013."

And as far as my use of the term 'Partial Birth Abortion,' I should have been more clear. 'Partial Birth Abortion' have been banned since 2003, but its a form of abortion described as ""deliberately and intentionally vaginally delivers a living fetus until, in the case of a head-first presentation, the entire fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in the case of breech presentation, any part of the fetal trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother."

Abortions 'up to the point of birth' including the 3rd trimester are still legal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Joe_Biden#Abortion_bans

"0% Pro-Life Voting Record."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Joe_Biden#Roe_v._Wade

"I was against it before I was for it."

So he gave lip-service about not being a fan of abortion until it was politically convenient. Really convincing.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Sure, but you tried to connect him to child sexual abuse and trafficking in your OP, care to explain?

I said Sex Trafficking in the OP, which is exactly what the article headline, the article itself, and the law he supported and violated says.

I mentioned the other Republican was recently charged with child porn. I'm condemning BOTH that Republican and this Democrat.

And I ended with 'Child Porn / Sex Trafficking is a problem among the powerful of BOTH parties, Hollywood, Banking/Wallstreet, and world leaders.' Which is all true.

And thank you for confirming you can't read, but instantly leap to the defense of anyone with a (D) next to their name.

 

[Islam Imamate]

But the reason our politicians put up this particular front, is because society demands it. If society was more honest, they wouldn't have to keep this charade going.

What do you mean by society "being more honest"? Every society has a set of unwritten, unspoken norms that will affect politicians and incentivize them to take on certain fronts, why is this one any different?

 

[skold]

I said Sex Trafficking in the OP, which is exactly what the article headline, the article itself, and the law he supported and violated says.

I mentioned the other Republican was recently charged with child porn. I'm condemning BOTH that Republican and this Democrat.

And I ended with 'Child Porn / Sex Trafficking is a problem among the powerful of BOTH parties, Hollywood, Banking/Wallstreet, and world leaders.' Which is all true.

And thank you for confirming you can't read, but instantly leap to the defense of anyone with a (D) next to their name.

Soliciting a prostitute and sexually abusing a minor are not the same thing, and yet to tried to draw a false equivalency between the two. If all this guy did was try to get a hooker, than all he's guilty of is being a hypocrite in my eyes.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Soliciting a prostitute and sexually abusing a minor are not the same thing,

No shit.

Who said it was?

and yet to tried to draw a false equivalency between the two.

No. I said 'Child Porn / Sex Trafficking is a problem...' both are sex crimes and one is obviously worse than the other. This is common knowledge and I didn't think it had to be spelled out for the left-wingers of the Warroom.

If all this guy did was try to get a hooker, than all he's guilty of is being a hypocrite in my eyes.

And a sex trafficker in the eyes of the police, prosecutor, and himself.

Leftists have a hobby of changing definitions of words to their own narrative advantage, and this is a rare situation that it backfired.

 

[Ichibanner]

You don't have to criminalize the women to have prostition be illegal. In Sweden it's not illegal to sell sex but it's illegal to buy. That solves the issue of not wanting to criminalize the women that are often victims and putting all the legal burden on the ones using them. Of course it doesn't solve the issue of that prostitution still exists and that some women are forced into it in various ways, but then again neither has making prostitution legal so it's a complex matter to solve.

It is a complex issue as you've said which is why it should be approached from a standpoint that is fair and logical. I've never paid for the services of a prostitute. I've never felt the need and I had compassion for the women living that lifestyle. Having seen women being pimped, I think there needs to be a solution besides locking up the women and / or their customers.

Killing an unborn human being is legal here in the US. You can go to the local abortion clinic and be sure that they've ended a greater number of human lives than people have as friends on Facebook. "It's her body, her choice" is what we often hear. Yet, we still stand on a moral high ground and tell a woman that it's illegal for her to use her body to make money as a prostitute. Paying to have your baby eviscerated and sucked out of your body is fine but getting paid to have sex outside of the porn industry is forbidden.

We've been regulating and taxing morality longer than I've been alive. I think we can do better than locking up consenting adults that exchange money for meaningless sex.

 

[skold]

No shit.

Who said it was?



No. I said 'Child Porn / Sex Trafficking is a problem...' both are sex crimes and one is obviously worse than the other. This is common knowledge and I didn't think it had to be spelled out for the left-wingers of the Warroom.



And a sex trafficker in the eyes of the police, prosecutor, and himself.

Leftists have a hobby of changing definitions of words to their own narrative advantage, and this is a rare situation that it backfired.

You have a history of dishonest and biased posting and its no surprise you decided to include "child porn" in your OP despite it having nothing to do with this case, putting it right next to "Sex trafficking" allegations as if this particular democrat was involved in child sex abuse. We all know why you did this.

Also, its the republicans / right wingers that accuse anyone and everyone they dont like of being a pedophile, so when they are the ones who end up being more likely to fiddle kids it gets pointed out

 

[ultramanhyata]

Does she have more credibility than all of the election fraud witnesses, or less?

You mean all the witnesses who testified to seeing "suspicious" bin moving because they didn't understand how ballot bins have always been moved in and out of rooms during vote counts?

Yes.

Because this child sexual assault victim had enough knowledge of her own genitalia to know when she was, in fact, actually being raped.

 

[MicroBrew]

What do you mean by society "being more honest"? Every society has a set of unwritten, unspoken norms that will affect politicians and incentivize them to take on certain fronts, why is this one any different?

Being honest in regards to major issues and problems. The US has become more honest over time and is far more honest than most old World countries, in regards to race and our country's history. But we are still lagging on religion, while Europe is ahead of us. Isn't it better from a moral and humanisitic standpoint that the US became more honest vis-a-vis race and US history. A lot of old World countires refuse to admit their racial, ethnic, sectarian issues and historical wrongs.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Being honest in regards to major issues and problems. The US has become more honest over time and is far more honest than most old World countries, in regards to race and our country's history. But we are still lagging on religion, while Europe is ahead of us. Isn't it better from a moral and humanisitic standpoint that the US became more honest vis-a-vis race and US history. A lot of old World countires refuse to admit their racial, ethnic, sectarian issues and historical wrongs.

I still don't know what you mean, what are we being dishonest about here and how does that compare to issues of race? I mean, its not like politicians don't virtue signal on that issue either. So again i think your issue here is with the incentive structure of democratic politics.

 

[PinkFlammingo]

You're kidding right? Dems are great at telling the plebians what to do... But not following their own directives.

Nice. Dems bad, repubs good. I think i got it. Smdh

 

[MicroBrew]

I still don't know what you mean, what are we being dishonest about here and how does that compare to issues of race? I mean, its not like politicians don't virtue signal on that issue either. So again i think your issue here is with the incentive structure of democratic politics.

The dishonesty is society expecting politicians and America to carry on this charade , whereby politicians feign overt religiosity to get elected.

 

[Squarechoke]

It is a complex issue as you've said which is why it should be approached from a standpoint that is fair and logical. I've never paid for the services of a prostitute. I've never felt the need and I had compassion for the women living that lifestyle. Having seen women being pimped, I think there needs to be a solution besides locking up the women and / or their customers.

Killing an unborn human being is legal here in the US. You can go to the local abortion clinic and be sure that they've ended a greater number of human lives than people have as friends on Facebook. "It's her body, her choice" is what we often hear. Yet, we still stand on a moral high ground and tell a woman that it's illegal for her to use her body to make money as a prostitute. Paying to have your baby eviscerated and sucked out of your body is fine but getting paid to have sex outside of the porn industry is forbidden.

We've been regulating and taxing morality longer than I've been alive. I think we can do better than locking up consenting adults that exchange money for meaningless sex.

I personally don't have any strong opinions on that issue, I was just giving an example that there are different ways to deal with the issue that affect the involved people differently. I don't care much if people are allowed to go to a prostitute as it's nothing I'll come in contact with either way. The important part is that no one is forced into it.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

You have a history of dishonest and biased posting and its no surprise you decided to include "child porn" in your OP despite it having nothing to do with this case,

Again, I specifically said that was what the Republican was charged with.

How many times are you going to confirm you can't read?

putting it right next to "Sex trafficking" allegations as if this particular democrat was involved in child sex abuse. We all know why you did this.

Wrong, again. You really need to learn to read.

And I find it humorous how everyone is in agreement in the Republican Child Porn thread that the guy is a piece of shit. Both sides agree with that. But when a thread is made about a Democrat, by the definition of a law he supported, is a sex trafficker the leftists of this board jump on the person making the thread for not threading-the-needle with precise wording in the OP. You're trying to make me the subject of the thread, rather than the Democrat charged with sex trafficking, and that's pathetic.

'Pay no attention to a politician with a (D) next to their name, pay attention to the forum member not framing it the way we like by mentioning Child Porn.'

 

[Islam Imamate]

The dishonesty is society expecting politicians and America to carry on this charade , whereby politicians feign overt religiosity to get elected.

Uh no, society is expecting politicians to reflect their values and politicians adapt by pretending to have them. Its not unique to the issue of religion and is a function of democratic politics. You see this with the "family man" image as well.

 

[skold]

Again, I specifically said that was what the Republican was charged with.

How many times are you going to confirm you can't read?


Wrong, again. You really need to learn to read.

And I find it humorous how everyone is in agreement in the Republican Child Porn thread that the guy is a piece of shit. Both sides agree with that. But when a thread is made about a Democrat, by the definition of a law he supported, is a sex trafficker the leftists of this board jump on the person making the thread for not threading-the-needle with precise wording in the OP. You're trying to make me the subject of the thread, rather than the Democrat charged with sex trafficking, and that's pathetic.

'Pay no attention to a politician with a (D) next to their name, pay attention to the forum member not framing it the way we like by mentioning Child Porn.'

He wasn't even charged with sex trafficking that you implied. His charge was a misdemeanor for sexual solicitation. A nothing burger of all nothing burgers.

Matt Gaetz paid a 17 year old for sex, this guy responded to an ad online. Don't try to both sides this

 

[GearSolidMetal]

He wasn't even charged with sex trafficking that you implied.

How many times are you going to prove you can't read?

As a legislator, Hunt was one of numerous sponsors of a bill criminalizing sex trafficking in 2007. In 2011, he also voted for HB 2714, that bill created the crime of commercial sexual solicitation, the crime for which he was arrested and cited."

"...and cited."

And...here's something else you can't read, a link from the article.

"The Portland Police Bureau?s Human Trafficking Unit cited 8 men in an undercover operation, conducted in April 2021. Officers posted online decoy ads on known human trafficking websites.

Human trafficking is not a victimless crime."

So, for those that have shit reading comprehension, like @skold, solicitation of a prostitute is a sex trafficking crime in Oregon that Hunt supported while he was in office.