1. The official Sherdog Store is back! Check it out! » Discuss it here! »
Violence/Genocide: Do not condone violence or genocide on a person or group of people. You are free to attack a person or groups ideas but you are crossing the line when calling for violence. This will be heavily enforced in threads with breaking news involving victims.

Foreign governments paying for U.S. troop presence.

Discussion in 'The War Room' started by panamaican, Jan 11, 2020.

  1. panamaican Senior Moderator Staff Member Senior Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2009
    Messages:
    42,513
    Likes Received:
    8,675
    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/...p-of-selling-military-support-to-saudi-arabia

    The relevant quote:
    On the surface, this doesn't particularly concern me but then I thought about it and I started wondering. If we're demanding that these countries pay us for our troop presence, are we obligated for a certain level of time or specific level of commitment for that?

    Say that Country X pays us $Y millions for U.S. troop presence. Can we just up and leave the next day or are we committed to be there for a specific amount of time, defend against specific types of threats, that sort of thing? Does Congress have to approve this or just the C-in-C. And if the C-in-C approves it, can Congress ever terminate the relationship?

    I don't know how that works. Can someone explain?
     
  2. HereticBD Plutonium Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2010
    Messages:
    60,673
    Likes Received:
    24,084
    Location:
    In the hearts and minds of everyone
    If they pay, you gotta stay.

    I'd imagine the troops leave when the money dries up, and America has no interest in being there. If they can't pay, well, it's up to the US if they feel it's worth their while to spread freedom throughout the nation. They're not a charity.

    Look around. There are shit holes everywhere. America ain't there unless they get something in return.

    As for the congressional questions, I think the rules above apply. Doubt they'd cut and run so swiftly on any major operations, and no major operations would be started without the money up front.
     
  3. Kowboy Karl Black Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2013
    Messages:
    6,907
    Likes Received:
    955
    I just like reading 1 billion in trump voice
     
  4. Holic Senor Cardgage Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2004
    Messages:
    14,217
    Likes Received:
    5,292
    Location:
    NYC
    It works differently for each country. The military agreement we have with the Philippines is not the same agreement we have with Japan or members of NATO. Congress does needs to authorize this stuff, but only after 90 days according to law. The other thing is, congress has technically already authorized a wide range of shit due to the war on terror. Thanks to the broad reach of the AUMF, the US military can depose countless authority figures and be like "welp, they were terrorists!"
     
  5. Anung Un Rama Idol of Millions Platinum Member

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2009
    Messages:
    75,718
    Likes Received:
    7,453
    Location:
    Osgiliath
    First off, the US military is not a mercenary force that can be hired out to protect the interests of the highest bidder.
    Americans aren’t enlisting to protect Saudi Arabia. This sounds unconstitutional and even treasonous. Even more so when you consider KSA’s involvement in 9/11, the impetus that allowed our government to lie us into the endless wars we’re involved in today.

    Secondly, to put things in perspective, we’ve spent over $8T in Afghanistan, Iraq, and the overall War on Terror over the last 18? Years. Putting us on retainer for $1B and bragging like he made a great deal is just typically embarrassing of the stooge in chief.
     
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2020
  6. nicapica Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2018
    Messages:
    2,768
    Likes Received:
    1,198
    Location:
    werk
    Moral bankruptcy is a real thing.
     
  7. Limbo Pete Real History Man

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2013
    Messages:
    29,454
    Likes Received:
    11,138
    _THIS_
     
  8. ocean size Red Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2007
    Messages:
    9,346
    Likes Received:
    1,850
    The US military being anywhere and lives being at risk because some country wants us there and is willing to pay

    vs being there because we have some strategic reason to be there

    is beyond fucked up
     
  9. HereticBD Plutonium Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2010
    Messages:
    60,673
    Likes Received:
    24,084
    Location:
    In the hearts and minds of everyone
    <puh-lease75>
     
  10. MVelsor ~ Work of the Gods ~ Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2020
    Messages:
    2,735
    Likes Received:
    1,673
     
  11. xcvbn Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2006
    Messages:
    16,105
    Likes Received:
    358
    Our soldiers are not mercs for hire

    Trump’s admin is becoming a traitorous regime
     
  12. Letting Saudis fly out of the country right after 9/11 while Americans were prohibited from flying is outrageous.
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2003/10/saving-the-saudis-200310

    It's simply absurd that the party leaders of a party whose members say it's a problem if government officials don't use the term "Islamic terrorism" suck up to Muslim fundamentalists.
     
  13. 7437 Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2013
    Messages:
    25,428
    Likes Received:
    150
    I'm sure every dead soldier is happy that politicians got some money.
     
  14. AgonyandIrony Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2009
    Messages:
    26,071
    Likes Received:
    9,741
    Location:
    NOLA
    You think the US military is essentially a mercenary force? I actually kind of agree when you consider that it's a volunteer army.
     
  15. Anung Un Rama Idol of Millions Platinum Member

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2009
    Messages:
    75,718
    Likes Received:
    7,453
    Location:
    Osgiliath
    There are layers upon layers of hypocrisy and borderline, in not outright, treasonous behavior with regards to US policy toward KSA since 9/11. One would think that Trump’s behavior toward KSA, if nothing else, would cause people to stop supporting him in droves.
     
  16. HereticBD Plutonium Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2010
    Messages:
    60,673
    Likes Received:
    24,084
    Location:
    In the hearts and minds of everyone
    Somewhat, yes. Goes with the territory of being top dog though.
     
  17. LMP 409 hype man Platinum Member

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2015
    Messages:
    14,479
    Likes Received:
    6,453
    Location:
    Missouri
    <36>
     
  18. MVelsor ~ Work of the Gods ~ Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2020
    Messages:
    2,735
    Likes Received:
    1,673
    The kowtowing towards the soddies certainly didn't begin with the Trump Administration. However, the manner in which it has consistently gone out the way and over, underneath, around the legislative branch of the US government to serve the the Wahhabi monarchy is a bit excessive.

    Whether that's been attempting to rush the regime nuclear technology, throwing down vetoes on bipartisan congressional bills, invoking emergency executive powers in order to do so or standing at attention and making a public declaration that the US military is ready to take orders.

     
  19. 1pedestrian Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2013
    Messages:
    4,945
    Likes Received:
    1,332
    {<jordan}
     
  20. Anung Un Rama Idol of Millions Platinum Member

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2009
    Messages:
    75,718
    Likes Received:
    7,453
    Location:
    Osgiliath
    Agreed that this crosses multiple administrations and both parties, but Trump and W’s have been the worst.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.