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  1. cocksure Silver Belt

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    So, Floyd is fighting a UFC star this year.
    Rumoured to be Khabib. Who's dad has said will do 6 months extensive training with Lomachenko and Rd 12 will be MMA rules.
    What you think?
     
  2. Hagler Man of wealth and taste

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    That it will be over before round 12.
     
  3. SandaKicker Green Belt

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    Hard to believe that will happen but if that is the format I would watch because it would guarantee a finish which would likely be Floyd finishing Khabib the way he finished Tenshin.
     
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    Khabib's father added a stipulation that if the fight goes 12 rounds then 11 rounds will be boxing rules and the 12th and final round will be under MMA rules. Floyd would never go for that unless he was absolutely certain he can finish Khabib inside 11 rounds.
     
  5. BluntTrauma21 Broner Brody / Pulev Posse

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    Testament to Floy's greatness that he'll actually get ppl to pay to watch this and give Khabib a chance like they did w/ Conor.
     
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    I think it's more a testament to how gullible some MMA fans are. In their minds Khabib would have to have a chance against Floyd because he beat Conor (in MMA).
     
  7. aries Gold Belt

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    If it was Lomachenko vs. Khabib under MMA rules then I'll actually be interested. Khabib isn't even as good a boxer as Conor is.
     
  8. Mr2urbo Brown Belt

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    That sounds stupid, if it were to go 12 rounds are they going to change gear (shoes, gloves) then jump into a cage?
     
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    I would never want to see Khabib vs Loma in MMA because I don't want to see Loma have absolutely no chance to defend himself against a guy that would be looking to turn him into a giant stain on the mat. There would be a huge 30+ pound weight advantage to Khabib on fight night. Khabib already struggles to make Lightweight/155 in the UFC as it is and Loma's topped out at Lightweight/135 in boxing. It would be like watching a full sized Lightweight beat on a fairly undersized Bantamweight in the UFC. I agree that Conor is undoubtedly a much better striker/boxer than Khabib though (even if Khabib did put him down because it was off the threat of a takedown).
     
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    Good points. I just think that with Loma's wrestling he could have a good chance at defending the TD but yeah size wise they are far apart and it would be a real big advantage for Khabib.
     
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    I wouldn't be able to give him a chance because of the size difference and Khabib's own grappling skills which almost nobody can deal with. The only guy in MMA that I've seen be able to defend against Khabib's takedowns was Tibau who was huge and strong for the weight and he had a wrestling background himself. If Khabib struggled to take Loma down on the first attempt he'd just set those takedowns up better and keep trying until persistence paid off. What he'd likely do is get Loma on the re-shot or chain wrestle him until he's down. Once that happens the fight would be over. I've heard Cormier and Rockhold talk about wrestling Khabib over at AKA and both said he was a bitch to deal with even though he's so much smaller. He's ridiculously tenacious and as strong as some Welterweights in MMA.
     
  12. ConorFacts Banned Banned

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    Khabib is 50-70lbs bigger than Loma. Loma is one of the most talented athletes of all time, but Khabib is too big.

    wtf

    Lomas "chances" are much muuuuuuch bigger in a ring vs Khabib, cuz Khabib needs the octagon for his takedowns. His first takedown vs Conor looked like shit: Telephed from a fucken mile and he was lucky that Conor did a rookie mistake.
     
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    Yeah size for size I think it would be a different matter. Loma is really fucking strong though for his size. But they aren't the same size so it's moot point.
     
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    No shit, I just said this. Khabib would be far too big. For the record Loma is in the low 140s on fight night and Khabib is in the low 170s. So, your numbers are off.
    Great breakdown. Khabib prefers to use the cage but he doesn't need to use it to assist him in getting his takedowns. As far as his chances go, if you mean Khabib vs Loma in boxing then I agree but MMA can and has been fought in a ring as well. Loma has zero chance under MMA rules and I wouldn't even give him a puncher's chance because he'd have to land big immediately before Khabib inevitably takes him down. That's a very small window of time and the size difference alone would help him take Loma's best shot.
     
  15. ConorFacts Banned Banned

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    bro he required two attempts.

    He needs the cage for his actual takedowns. He secrued the takedown once he got Conor to the cage.

    I hope Conor rewatches that fight cuz Khabib stucked in a bunch of neutral positions.

    Now im 100% sure that Conor will knock his head to his ass.
     
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    He doesn't need the fence to assist in getting takedowns. The number of attempts it took him to take Conor down (TD accuracy/efficiency) doesn't matter considering he took him down within the first minute of the fight and was able to finish his takedown before it even got to the fence. It only took him that long because Conor looked excellent stuffing the first few attempts but as I said earlier Khabib's persistence always pays off.
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    If they were similar in size then I'd still only give Loma a puncher's chance. He'd at least have that though even if the window would be small. He's a slow starter however (at least in boxing) and Khabib wouldn't give him more than a few seconds before looking to put him on his back.
     
  18. ConorFacts Banned Banned

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    TL;DR

    Khabibs gets Conor to the cage = Khabib secured 100% the takedown

    Thank you.

    with MMA training or without?

    There are two guys (Cody, Petr Yan) i would favour vs Khabib, but they are just way too small.

    I respect other peoples opinion, but you make him look like an invincible beast ... not even his resume support this lmfao.

    Lomachenko striking game is not only better than all UFC guys, but hes also one of the most talented athletes of all time. Most MMA fans still dont realize this (maybe in 100-300 years), but boxing has the most useful carry over to MMA. Boxing is good for your wrestling and TDD and boxing is the reason why Aldos TDD is GODLIKE.

    A 170 lbs Lomachenko + MMA training would destroy Kebab.

    Just my opinion bro no hate.
     
  19. Kovalev's "Man Bag" I don't do titles

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    Khabib's first takedown in the fight that I just posted video of was not cage-assisted. Conor was already grounded on his ass and scooting back while Khabib was driving him to the fence. Khabib had him on the ground and under control before Conor was walked back to the fence. This isn't hard to grasp for a non-idiot.
    It doesn't matter because they're not even close to the same size.
    Now you're getting it.
    I'm not even a Khabib fan per se. I'm a huge Loma fan though and everybody here knows it except you so it's laughable that you're mistaking my honesty in how that fight would play out for favoritism toward a guy that I actually like far less.
    There's more to striking than just boxing though and too many novices tend to make this mistake in their line of thinking. Holding an athletic advantage over an opponent certainly wouldn't hurt but that's only one part of the picture. I agree that boxing is arguably the best base for MMA and its footwork can help with TDD (pivoting & stepping out of single leg attempts for example) but no Aldo's TDD wasn't built off of any experience he had from boxing. Aldo's TDD was developed by grappling with world class grapplers in both wrestling and BJJ.
    Yeah, if he manages to catch him early, and while that's a very real possibility it's not the most likely outcome. If he can't catch him cold then he'll be taken down sooner than later, the blood in his arms will build up and cause fatigue as he's forced to resist Khabib's takedowns and fend off his top control once he's grounded, and his sole advantage in the standup will evaporate into thin air in little time under his unrelenting pressure. And, while he's down there, Khabib will be working constantly to open him up for submissions that are setup by his hellacious GnP. The gulf in experience between Khabib's grappling pedigree and Loma's would be huge. He was a 2× consecutive Combat Sambo world champion and that's just under Sambo competition.
     
  20. JayE Red Belt

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    How would that be interesting? Khabib is 30ish pounds heavier and the best overall grappler in the sport.
     

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