Law Florida Restores Right To Vote For Felons

[panamaican]

Losing certain rights was part of their punishment. Tell me, in the same vein, do you believe felons should be allowed to purchase firearms after serving their sentence? And have all the exact same rights? Sex offenders shouldn't have to be registered and so forth?

Because it's all part of the same thing. If felons have their voting rights restored, then the same line of thinking should mean that they lose no other privileges too.

Did you not read my original post before blathering on?

Yes, if someone has been deemed fit to return to society it should come with a restoration of their rights. If you don't think they deserve to have their rights restored as fully functioning members of society, don't release them from jail.

Do not release people from jail and continue to punish them by removing their rights.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Why no violent crime? They served their time. Don’t expect they deserve their rights all rights restored.

Why only the rights you want?

Why should a violent ex felon get to vote but not get to buy a gun, rights are rights.

This makes no sense. This idea that we cant make distinctions. That every thing is either black or white is stupid.
If you get caught with child porn on your computer, you can't work at a school. That has nothing to do with the right to vote.

Depending on the severity and type of crime you committed, we should be able to make a decision on whether or not it is safe to allow you to be back around the thing that got you locked up to begin with. This isn't rocket science.

And who said this has to be black or white?
Every case is different. It makes no sense to apply the same rule to every different case.
Rights aren't rights when those rights put other people in danger.

 

[7437]

Did you not read my original post before blathering on?

the answer to that should be obvious

 

[Ice That Jaw]

Yay for the Dems. Now they have true deplorables ready to vote for them.

 

[Happy Man]

so you are just against them being allowed to vote because you think that they wont agree with your political party? cant say i think thats a valid reason to take away someone's rights

Their rights weren't taken away. They forfeited their vote when committed felonies.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Also gotta lol at all the "More votes for the Dems" while all of these investigations and jailings of Trump staff are going on

 

[Madmick]

That one gets two Rogans, an "eek," and a Vincent Vega "bold statement"

The lack of voting rights sure as shit is a condition of a lack of freedom, I'll tells ya that.

You guys can be as emotional as you like about it, but a vote is not a condition of freedom. You guys are conflating civics with freedom.

 

[oldshadow]

This makes no sense. This idea that we cant make distinctions. That every thing is either black or white is stupid.
If you get caught with child porn on your computer, you can't work at a school. That has nothing to do with the right to vote.

Depending on the severity and type of crime you committed, we should be able to make a decision on whether or not it is safe to allow you to be back around the thing that got you locked up to begin with. This isn't rocket science.

And who said this has to be black or white?
Every case is different. It makes no sense to apply the same rule to every different case.
Rights aren't rights when those rights put other people in danger.

Working at a school is not a right.

I’m only talking rights here.

The argument for allowing felons a blanket restoration of voting rights is they served their time and they should have their rights restored because they served their time.

That’s the argument and it should apply across the board.

If wei have the right to restrict their right even if they have served their time then it comes down to only giving them the rights you support to the felons you support and has nothing to do with they served their time.

I have no problem this restoring felons rights on a case by case but don’t come with the bull shit argument they should get their rights back because they served their time but only the rights you want them to have and only the ones you say can.

At least be honest and say you want the restrictions the way you want them and stop trying to act like you have some moral high ground with this.

And buy you I don’t mean you I mean people that take that ground.

 

[Joe265]

That must have been a mean ass wheelie

No. The wheel came off the ground for like a split second after accelerating into second gear. I never actually learned how to wheelie. But I was trying to.

 

[p4pgoat]

John Oliver had a great piece about felony disenfranchisement laws.

 

[Makani]

Travesty.

Another example of how spineless and morally bankrupt the Democrats have become in their fervent pursuit for more votes.

Restitution of that debt pays for freedom, not for the restoration of once-given rights. That's a squandered right.

Even if all felonies are equal, which they obviously aren't, this was an amendment approved by voters 2:1. What does that have to do with the Democrats? And it only returns rights automatically to those without murder or sexual offences. Taking away a persons right to political representation without extreme cause seems pretty un-American.

 

[Madmick]

Even if all felonies are equal, which they obviously aren't, this was an amendment approved by voters 2:1. What does that have to do with the Democrats? And it only returns rights automatically to those without murder or sexual offences. Taking away a persons right to political representation without extreme cause seems pretty un-American.

Indeed, and Florida is free to do what it wants, but there was a 30-pt rift in partisan support with the Republicans majority support it, but not a passing supermajority. The main arguments in support of it are those of a traditional liberal value (i.e. the argument it disproportionately affects minorities who are more likely to be oppressed due to things like racist law enforcement of drug dealing).

 

[helltoupee]

Except I don't believe that to be the case. Wasn't an issue until Democrats in places like Virginia saw a way to get thousands of votes in close races, it was never an issue until then.

99.9999% of convicts are apolitical. The argument that democrats want this in order to boost their constituency doesn't hold water.

 

[Makani]

Indeed, and Florida is free to do what it wants, but there was a 30-pt rift in partisan support with the Republicans majority support it, but not a passing supermajority. The main arguments in support of it are those of a traditional liberal value (i.e. the argument it disproportionately affects minorities who are more likely to be oppressed due to things like racist law enforcement of drug dealing).

Does something have to help white people 51% to be good policy? Some people win, no one loses except the chronically butthurt. 20 grams of marijuana is a felony possession charge in Florida for god's sake. Seems a long way removed from a spineless, morally bankrupt travesty.

 

[Madmick]

Does something have to help white people 51% to be good policy?

 

[Limbo Pete]

Even if all felonies are equal, which they obviously aren't, this was an amendment approved by voters 2:1. What does that have to do with the Democrats? And it only returns rights automatically to those without murder or sexual offences. Taking away a persons right to political representation without extreme cause seems pretty un-American.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Every bit as free.

The right to vote isn't a condition of freedom.

Voting is part of representation, which according to our founding fathers, was a cornerstone of freedom in the new Republic.

Why don't you want felons to vote in Florida? We already let Floridians vote, anyway. Felons doing so couldn't be any more irresponsible....

 

[andnowweknow]

Yay for the Dems. Now they have true deplorables ready to vote for them.

You're an idiot if you have a problem with people who have paid their debt to society getting the right to vote again. It's not an insult either, it literally means you are stupid or that you believe (as you seem to) that only Democrats are felons.

 

[Trotsky]

Does something have to help white people 51% to be good policy?

I'm not saying this is what he was saying or is what he thinks (didn't even read his post), but that is absolutely, 100% the position of a lot of right-wingers re social benefits like universal healthcare: even if it helps them, it's not good because it helps black people more.

 

[Limbo Pete]

I'm not saying this is what he was saying or is what he thinks, but that is absolutely, 100% the position of a lot of right-wingers re social benefits like universal healthcare: even if it helps them, it's not good because it helps black people more.

The notion of a rising tide raising all ships is abhorrent to anyone that needs social/class barriers to define themselves.