Florida ERPO test case Cops Confiscate Innocent Dad’s Guns, Kidnap Son — for Trolling on Reddit

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Friends they are coming for us. This kid got arrested for trolling on the internet. I hope Lubalong is not living in Florida nowadays. This is what happens when you put in place quick legislation after a tragedy and don't think about the consequences.


http://thefreethoughtproject.com/ki...-student-accused-of-planning-school-shooting/

Florida has enacted a new law that is now being applied across the state and it is being used to strip citizens of their constitutional rights. A college student recently became the law’s target after he made three anonymous comments on Reddit and was reported by one of his fellow students.

Chris Velasquez, 21 a student at the University of Central Florida, was the first person taken into custody by Orlando Police under the state’s Risk Protection Order Act (RPO), which was signed into law by Gov. Rick Scott on March 9.

Police began their investigation of Velasquez long before the RPO Act was signed into law. On Feb. 10, he replied to a group chat that suggested people are too weak to be school shooters with the comment, “Maybe for now but not forever.”

With reference to Las Vegas Mandalay Bay shooting suspect Stephen Paddock, Velasquez commented, in jest, “R.I.P. my hero.” And in a thread about Parkland shooting suspect Nickolas Cruz he wrote, “Cruz is a hero!” Those three simple comments made under the pseudonym “The Real U.C. Chris” drew the attention of the thought police, the public, and were reported to the UCF Police, who took Velasquez in for questioning on March 5.

Following the interview with UCF Police, in which Velasquez did not have an attorney, the authorities determined that Velasquez was a danger to himself or others and using Florida’s Baker Act, the young man temporarily lost his freedom while his mental health was evaluated by a psychologist. He was admitted involuntarily to a mental health facility while UCF Police, Orlando Police, and a special agent with the FBI went to Velasquez’ home and confiscated a revolver that belonged to his father.


The family has since hired a lawyer who claims UCF police coerced comments out of Velasquez. According to a report from the Orlando Sentinel, Kendra Parris, attorney for the Velasquez family, described Velasquez’ treatment by police as “shameful.”

Officer [Jeffrey] Panter took a handful of online comments—none of which was an actual threat—from a forum in which people are known to troll and act like ‘edgelords,’” she said.

Parris also used the term “coercive” to describe how police arrived at the conclusion her client had “homicidal ideations.”

Predictably, police praised their actions as having been able to further protect the community. UCF Police Department spokeswoman Courtney Gilmartin issued a statement in which she said, “We should all sleep easier at night knowing that a firearm was removed from his household and that he is barred from purchasing any others.”

That statement is only partially true. Velasquez did not own a weapon and the only gun taken belonged to his father, leaving the rest of the Velasquez family entirely defenseless and unable to protect themselves against home intruders or criminals who may target them.

For posting three comments online, Velasquez had his freedom temporarily taken away, was forced to undergo a psychiatric evaluation, and was later told not to return to UCF, an action taken known as being “trespassed.” He is still a student at the university but now is the focus of a campus-based investigation to determine whether he will be allowed back on campus. UCF is determining if Velasquez broke the university’s code of conduct—presumably for exercising his rights to free speech in a public forum and using a fake name.

The Orlando Sentinel obtained the original petition for an RPO against Velasquez. Orlando Police Sgt. Matthew Ochiuzzo wrote in the petition, “Due to the respondent’s admissions of detailed homicidal ideation, your petitioner is gravely concerned that a real or perceived life event could unpredictably cause your respondent to obtain a firearm and commit a mass shooting.”

The temporary RPO was granted but a subsequent review by the same judge who signed it found there was no probable cause to allow for a permanent RPO that would last for one year.

Parris said she has come to the conclusion that police were responsible for “dragging an innocent student with zero history of violence or mental health issues through the mud.” In her motion to dismiss the case, Parris claimed her client’s constitutional rights were violated.

There is a long list of jurisprudence which constitutes a threat,” Parris told The Free Thought Project in an exclusive interview. After being forced to spend the weekend in a mental health facility, doctors also concluded Velasquez posed “no threat to anyone.” Parris said her client was engaged in “constitutionally protected free speech.”

There’s another thing that is absolutely bonkers about this, anybody can buy a gun in a private sale in this state. This law is not stopping anybody from purchasing a firearm. What it did do was trample on my client’s constitutional rights, Parris said, noting that her client was simply a victim of the “thought police.”

Stopping short of calling Orlando Police detectives “liars,” Parris told TFTP that she believes the police were “extraordinarily reckless” and that no less than four parts of the petition for a permanent RPO were patently false:

  1. Officer Ochiuzzo was “100 percent false” when he claimed Velasquez fantasized about becoming a school shooter since he was in middle school.
  2. Parris said her client was recorded saying he could never see himself doing that (committing a mass shooting).
  3. Velasquez never said he would use an AR-15 style gun, even in a hypothetical scenario where he might be mad enough to harm someone.
  4. Velasquez also never said he wanted to feel the rush of adrenaline of being a school shooter.
Parris was also critical of the Orlando Sentinel who she says was tipped off to what the Orlando PD were planning to do to Velasquez, attempting to make a show of their power to enforce the RPO Act.

“Another problem with the reporting (Orlando Sentinel) is that Mr. Velasquez had the pistol locked in a safe and Chris had no access to the firearm,” Parris said. “The media doesn’t care. They just write what they want.”

Parris is working with the family to file a lawsuit against the City of Orlando, Officer Ochiuzzo, the University of Central Florida, and UCF Police.

“This was an inappropriate case to bring pursuant to RPOs,” Parris said, adding that she hopes that after taking the case to court, the resulting judgment will set a precedent that could bring down the new Florida law. There are substantive problems with due process concerns and this new law,” she concluded.

Orlando’s first attempt to enforce their first RPO has ended in complete failure. Not only was no crime committed but a citizen’s constitutional rights were violated, his father was forced to surrender his weapon (which was inside a safe), and the suspect was kidnapped against his will and held in a mental hospital. Parris told TFTP that her client’s reputation has been permanently damaged as a result of police actions.[/QUOTE[
 
https://nypost.com/2018/03/22/flori...g-guns-after-fantasizing-about-mass-shooting/

Florida student barred from having guns after fantasizing about mass shooting


A University of Central Florida student who told police about his “thoughts and urges to commit a mass shooting” has been temporarily barred from owning weapons or ammunition under the state’s new gun control legislation.

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Several students spotted Velasquez’s posts and notified UCF police, prompting investigators to interview him on March 5. At that time, Velasquez admitted to writing the troubling posts and having “thoughts and urges to commit a mass shooting since his sophomore year of high school in 2004,” according to documents obtained by the newspaper.

Velasquez also told investigators that he “did not have the courage to go through with it, yet” but, if he ever did, he would use an “AR-15 style semi-automatic rifle” to commit shootings at his former schools where he was allegedly bullied.

Velasquez was admitted to a mental health center because of “homicidal ideation” and law enforcement officers, including FBI officials, as well as Orlando and UCF police, visited Velaquez’s home, where his father voluntarily turned over his firearm. Velasquez had learned how to shoot the gun, a Taurus “UltraLite” revolver, on his 19th birthday, records show.

The order against Velasquez — who remains enrolled at UCF — is temporary and a hearing is scheduled in Orange County Circuit Court later this month.

Kendra Parris, Velasquez’s attorney, noted that the gun now in police possession belonged to her client’s father and claimed UCF police were “coercive” during an interrogation.

“Officer [Jeffrey] Panter took a handful of online comments — none of which was an actual threat — from a forum in which people are known to troll and act like ‘edgelords,'” Parris told the newspaper.

Courtney Gilmartin, a UCF spokesman, said Velasquez “has been trespassed” from the school’s campus, but remains enrolled in classes. Campus police had no previous interactions with him prior to the concerning Reddit posts, she said.


“’The ‘See Something, Say Something’ message worked in this case — the alarming Reddit posts were brought to law enforcement’s attention, and through hard work and partnership, the person behind them was identified,” Gilmartin said in a statement to The Post.


“The UCF Police Department is confident that adult was not misled during the investigative process. We should all sleep easier at night knowing that a firearm was removed from his household and that he is barred from purchasing any others.”

Two thoughts:

1. "where his father voluntarily turned over his gun"

2. People were blaming the FBI for wasting resources on the Russia investigation instead of following tips and preventing the Parkland shooting. This is what happens when police respond to a tip and find reason to believe the suspect is going to shoot someone. What did people think would happen?
 
Also the kid wasn't kidnapped: he was admitted to a facility for examination because he displayed signs of homicidal ideation. And then he was released.

@alanb how would you have preferred they handle this?
 
@alanb I realize you can get into a frenzy on your principles, but try to tailor this thread. It's hysterical from the title, to the call to arms, to the goddamn source.

ALso, that police report stinks of post-event scrambling by LEO's, which I kind of understand just from an employment perspective.
 
https://nypost.com/2018/03/22/flori...g-guns-after-fantasizing-about-mass-shooting/



Two thoughts:

1. "where his father voluntarily turned over his gun"

2. People were blaming the FBI for wasting resources on the Russia investigation instead of following tips and preventing the Parkland shooting. This is what happens when police respond to a tip and find reason to believe the suspect is going to shoot someone. What did people think would happen?

What evidence did they find. That is the key.

If all they have is those 3 posts, that is fucking stupid, and either the law needs to be changed, or these cops need to be held accountable for abusing the law.

I agree that they should investigate the report. They then should get a warrant, and seize all his electronic communication, search for physical writings, put him under surviellence ect.

We will see when he goes to court what they actually have on him. It could be totally justified, or it could be police harassment.
 
@alanb I realize you can get into a frenzy on your principles, but try to tailor this thread. It's hysterical from the title, to the call to arms, to the goddamn source.

ALso, that police report stinks of post-event scrambling by LEO's, which I kind of understand just from an employment perspective.

What evidence did they find. That is the key.

If all they have is those 3 posts, that is fucking stupid, and either the law needs to be changed, or these cops need to be held accountable for abusing the law.

I agree that they should investigate the report. They then should get a warrant, and seize all his electronic communication, search for physical writings, put him under surviellence ect.

We will see when he goes to court what they actually have on him. It could be totally justified, or it could be police harassment.

I agree with both of these posts.
 
If the kid ended up doing a mass shooting everyone would be shitting on the FBI and police. We can't have it both ways. This is a warning to trolls, know the lines not to cross. It's a fucked up situation, he still deserves due process and all, but these things need to be taken seriously.
 
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Isn't this exactly what Trump was promoting two or three weeks ago? Maybe this will make people reevaluate their enthusiasm for his cavalier comments regarding how the police should do their jobs. Maybe it would be better if he didn't encourage cops to rough up suspects and/or confiscate guns before applying due process.
 
@alanb I realize you can get into a frenzy on your principles, but try to tailor this thread. It's hysterical from the title, to the call to arms, to the goddamn source.

ALso, that police report stinks of post-event scrambling by LEO's, which I kind of understand just from an employment perspective.

I am or was trying to make a joke., They are coming for us does not refer to patriots. It refers to online trolls. I am including myself by saying us so its meant to be self depreciating while at the same time acknowledging that Lubalong is the biggest troll this forum has ever had. If the opening does not convey that how would you suggest I change it.
 
I am or was trying to make a joke., They are coming for us does not refer to patriots. It refers to online trolls. I am including myself by saying us so its meant to be self depreciating while at the same time acknowledging that Lubalong is the biggest troll this forum has ever had. If the opening does not convey that how would you suggest I change it.

Goddammit.

I'm sorry. I've had a few, so I had no sarcasm detection. That's my bad.
 
I didn't catch it until it was pointed out. Alcohol probably played a factor.

Unless this is a new account and a old poster you weren't around when Lubalong used to have 5 or 6 accounts going at anyone time so you might not get the reference. He was a female Asian feminist. He was a medical student and several other things just to troll this forum.
 
Well the president did say to take the guns early.
 
Unless this is a new account and a old poster you weren't around when Lubalong used to have 5 or 6 accounts going at anyone time so you might not get the reference. He was a female Asian feminist. He was a medical student and several other things just to troll this forum.

LOL I remember his "I'm a doctor" thread. Pure gold.
 
Also the kid wasn't kidnapped: he was admitted to a facility for examination because he displayed signs of homicidal ideation. And then he was released.

@alanb how would you have preferred they handle this?

Let's focus on the commitment because there is at least an argument for taking the firearms. Not one I'd agree with but a plausible argument. The standard for determine whether you are a immediate threat to yourself or others can not be so low that a couple jokes on the internet can get you forcibly put into a government facility.

What they should do is flag this kid send out a cop to investigate and if they have evidence of a crime convict him. If they have actual evidence he is planning something then you can get him in for that as an attempt crime. You can not have a thought police that puts people in jail because they think shooting people are cool or otherwise put people in jail because of what they are thinking. Imagine how ripe for abuse that is even if you think this case is valid. Every black youth in Chicago could be put in a mental facility when ever the cops wanted. They do listen to music which glorifies violence right? Maybe a kid was rapping about capping cops. Homicidal ideation right? This sounds like it
 
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I am or was trying to make a joke., They are coming for us does not refer to patriots. It refers to online trolls. I am including myself by saying us so its meant to be self depreciating while at the same time acknowledging that Lubalong is the biggest troll this forum has ever had. If the opening does not convey that how would you suggest I change it.
Didn't Dave Herman used to post here? He's gotta be pretty big.
 
Didn't Dave Herman used to post here? He's gotta be pretty big.

He did and if we are talking about IRL I think Steve Crowder takes it who also used to post here but I was referring to on sherdog
 
He did and if we are talking about IRL I think Steve Crowder takes it who also used to post here but I was referring to on sherdog
Dave Herman is significantly bigger than Crowder IRL
 
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