Finishing from Mount

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My grappling has come on well in the 6 months that I have been in this game, but one thing I really struggle with is submitting someone when I have full mount... my natural instinct is to go for chokes but I struggle when someone has a good neck defence.

I honestly find it easier to get someone in side control and do the Americana !
 
Random question - Height/weight?

As far as finishing from mount you need to learn how to isolate an arm to apply arm/shoulder locks as well as if they defend that transition to an arm triangle. When they defend something it opens another window to attack or roll and give up the back.

This is my short answer, true in depth answer requires in person/seeing what you are doing and sometimes private lessons. You can only get so much info from people online who can't actually give feedback of what you are doing without seeing it.
 
Why exactly can't you finish? Are you getting rolled while hunting for the sub? Are they able to recover to half guard or guard while you are trying for an arm or neck? Or do they just defend so long you eventually give up on the submission?

Just from the short post you made, maybe you are spending too much time tunnel visioned on a single technique and missing all the other ones they are giving you (because maybe you have not learned them yet).
 
I am a middleweight.. usually they defend the neck well and I can only get one hand in the collar. I am conscious of being rolled also, so I am on the look out for that.

The arm triangle looks interesting, although quite technical, will need a lot of practice.
 
Zola said:
I am a middleweight.. usually they defend the neck well and I can only get one hand in the collar. I am conscious of being rolled also, so I am on the look out for that.

The arm triangle looks interesting, although quite technical, will need a lot of practice.
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Arm triangle is a great option because generally there is a low risk of losing position when going for it (if you stay in mount.) you can lock it up comfortably then move to side/partially to side/ or even finish from the mount sometimes.
 
Arm triangle and Americana are great options to work from mount. You can retain a lot of stability while you attempt them so they are fairly low risk as well. Hard for your opponent to escape while you attempt them.
 
+1 for americana. i almost never finish it from the mount, but I threaten it and then transition to armbar as one of my go-to mount moves.
 
If you're in the gi, the ezekiel choke is a great one to add, especially if you're going to work on arm triangles. You already have your arm around the neck, so if you can't get their arm up for the triangle, slide your hand in for the ezekiel. I use that combo A LOT.
 
If you can get one hand deep in the collar, you should be able to finish the choke relatively often. And if you can't, it should open up s-mount or some armbars for you at least.
 
Zola said:
My grappling has come on well in the 6 months that I have been in this game, but one thing I really struggle with is submitting someone when I have full mount... my natural instinct is to go for chokes but I struggle when someone has a good neck defence.

I honestly find it easier to get someone in side control and do the Americana !
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Finishing from mount consistently is one of the hardest things to do in BJJ. Mostly because it's so hard to maintain the position while attacking at the same time. But the top guy has a lot of small things he can do to keep the position while attacking and if you get good at it it's also the most effective attacking position in the gi. Simple rule: if uke is crossing his arms to defend the choke, look for armbars. If he's not, persist with the choke. Try to get as high as possible in the mount and get your feet on uke's hips before attacking (if uke is keeping his elbows low to defend, press hard on his shoulders to force his elbows up and then slide your knees up). Once you are high and attacking, set your first choking hand as deep as possible. Don't rush above all else, this can take awhile and require several resets. If at any time uke's defense leads to one his elbows coming to the inside of his body (i.e. breaking a plane parallel to his center line) quickly slide your knee up to his head on that side to trap his arm and start working armbars, or transition to s mount. Learning how to use the choke threat to create chances to move to an arm barring position is crucial.

All this is hard to explain. It's a complex position, just don't be in too big a hurry to finish such that you lose position.
 
JMG1134 said:
If you're in the gi, the ezekiel choke is a great one to add, especially if you're going to work on arm triangles. You already have your arm around the neck, so if you can't get their arm up for the triangle, slide your hand in for the ezekiel. I use that combo A LOT.
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I really like that combination as well. Smaller risk of getting rolled over in the low mount, and the massive pressure you can put on their hips and head, plus smothering them with your jacket, is great for breaking the bottom guys will. I attack the Ezekiel first, when they defend by cupping the bicep, that gives enough separation to swim under the elbow and start walking it up.
 
Watch more Roger Gracie videos. And then get annoyed when he makes it look so easy on world class BB's, and you can't finish a first week white belt.
 
Practice. That is all. 6 months ain't enough.
 
Staying mounted is obviously a primary step before finishing mounted. Braulio has some great tips in this video.

 
Finishing people is hard. I've heard really advanced guys say they didn't feel like they could really finish until purple. I used to get frustrated when I didn't finish someone. Sometimes, dominating the position is enough. Sometimes, being the one surviving the relentless attacks is enough. It all depends on where you are at and where the other guy is at. Putting a time limit on things and point systems also greatly changes the dynamic and ability to finish. See Hyron vs Galvao.
 
The best way to finish people from mount is to move to technical mount.
 
Uchi Mata said:
Finishing from mount consistently is one of the hardest things to do in BJJ. Mostly because it's so hard to maintain the position while attacking at the same time. But the top guy has a lot of small things he can do to keep the position while attacking and if you get good at it it's also the most effective attacking position in the gi. Simple rule: if uke is crossing his arms to defend the choke, look for armbars. If he's not, persist with the choke. Try to get as high as possible in the mount and get your feet on uke's hips before attacking (if uke is keeping his elbows low to defend, press hard on his shoulders to force his elbows up and then slide your knees up). Once you are high and attacking, set your first choking hand as deep as possible. Don't rush above all else, this can take awhile and require several resets. If at any time uke's defense leads to one his elbows coming to the inside of his body (i.e. breaking a plane parallel to his center line) quickly slide your knee up to his head on that side to trap his arm and start working armbars, or transition to s mount. Learning how to use the choke threat to create chances to move to an arm barring position is crucial.

All this is hard to explain. It's a complex position, just don't be in too big a hurry to finish such that you lose position.
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You really think finishing from mount consistently is one of the hardest things to do?

You mean compared to other dominant positions?
 
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