Fighting on PEDs be considered an equivalent to bringing a weapon in court? NO, Murder charges drop

[tramendous]

There is evidence about that, but there isn't actual evidence

we are done here. guilty as charged.

TThe Super Human arguement matters alot, since it can't be shown that a person taking PEDs is so much better that a death should be equivalent the same as bringing a bat.

you don't need a bat to kill someone. repeated strikes with your hands is enough but if you have banned substances which made you a better version of yourself which increases your chances of hitting that person then you are criminally negligent. you trained for a controlled fight and made it uncontrolled.

Again, you can't show how much power a person increased, there isn't a study that measures a person power increase to have an idea how much an average fighter power will increased. Yes it resulted in higher fitness but so it has for other MMA fighters on steroids, yet they never killed anybody. So again you can blame the PEDs....it was simply an freak accident./QUOTE]

people have been hit by drunk drivers and survived. people have been thrown down stairs and survived. people have been spiked on their neck and survived. doesn't mean its not dangerous. the dangers of the match have already been accepted via an agreement that certain blows and holds and substances are illegal. if you took those substances with the clear intent of increasing your ability to land such blows unnaturally you are criminally responsible.

I mentioned Brock/Bob Sapp in the OP, since they are clearly the extreme of PEDs, obvious PED abusers...Most MMA fighters don't get close to PED usage as these guys. No doubt in my mind that brock PED helped him in the Hunt fight, the PEDs allow him to keep strength/size which goes hand on hand with his wrestling style, without PEDs he would've lost. Having said that, even in extreme examples like Brock/Bob Sapp, I just don't see how they will be charged with murder, the evidence simply won't be there.

bob sapp was clearly in a controlled environment where such substances where allowed, so his opponents knew full well what they were getting into and could even take them themselves. lesnar is a far worse example than sapp in japan.

The only reason it would be a competitive trail, is because of the MEDIA ATTN that the prosecutor will try it's hardest to convict, but they will eventually lose. If a fighter had a history of roids, taken a crap load of PEDs, admitted using it on purpose, made a prefight speech of him killing his opponent, even then, he won't be convicted because of next to zero evidence that PEDs were the cause of death.

how can you say zero evidence when you yourself said hunt would have won if brock was not on them. and you yourself said there is 'evidence'

 

[Leroy Jenkins]

we are done here. guilty as charged.

There is evidence it helps, but please show me evidence of how much punching power is increased...or anything else that has direct correlation to MMA fighting?


Sorry but your argument won't hold in court.

 

[tramendous]

There is evidence it helps, but please show me evidence of how much punching power is increased...or anything else that has direct correlation to MMA fighting?


Sorry but your argument won't hold in court.

you are arguing in double speak. is there evidence or is there not? you say there is so thus now it comes down to the specifics of the case. what if he took banned substances which helped him make weight? that would be pretty compelling if he is cutting dozens of pounds.

 

[Leroy Jenkins]

you are arguing in double speak. is there evidence or is there not? you say there is so thus now it comes down to the specifics of the case. what if he took banned substances which helped him make weight? that would be pretty compelling if he is cutting dozens of pounds.

There is evidence that increases strength/size/etc...But nothing directly saying how much it increases the power behind a punch.

If somebody is using it make weight, they will need to make a claim that 10lbs more is enough to kill a man...Again, it's an outlandish statement.

 

[tramendous]

There is evidence that increases strength/size/etc...But nothing directly saying how much it increases the power behind a punch.

If somebody is using it make weight, they will need to make a claim that 10lbs more is enough to kill a man...Again, it's an outlandish statement.

the weight classes exist for a reason. the fight would have not happened if the person did not make weight and the controlled environment would have worked as intended to stop such an outcome. since the person took the banned substance and unnaturally made weight, the controlled environment was purposely compromised. the fighter would be responsible for these actions.

 

[Leroy Jenkins]

the weight classes exist for a reason. the fight would have not happened if the person did not make weight and the controlled environment would have worked as intended to stop such an outcome. since the person took the banned substance and unnaturally made weight, the controlled environment was purposely compromised. the fighter would be responsible for these actions.

10lbs isn't enough to warrant murder, manslaughter, or anything however. It would just be considered a freak accident.

Plenty of HW fights have a larger percentage of weight difference.

 

[tramendous]

10lbs isn't enough to warrant murder, manslaughter, or anything however. It would just be considered a freak accident.

Plenty of HW fights have a larger percentage of weight difference.

the hw fighters train and prepare and have experience for such discrepancies. the doctors and referees and organizers are also aware of such discrepancies. the 10lbs would have been enough to stop the fight from happening.