Fighters who devolved into a brawling style

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  1. countswagula

    countswagula Gold Belt

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    When looking at the downfall of many of the best fighters of past eras, I notice a common trend of fighters who habitually used a technical, or at least varied arsenal of both standup and grappling techniques who, over the years, abandoned much of the style that made them so successful, particularly in terms of defense, and started to just swing for the fences with the objective of finishing their opponents as quickly as possible, be it due to physical decay or plain complacency. The two prime examples of this are, in my opinion, Shogun and Fedor. An argument could be made that both fighters always had a highly aggressive style, but it's very egregious to me how Fedor abandoned most of his grappling after his Pride career and started to rely on his big right hand to do most of the job. Shogun also abandoned most of his kicking technique in recent years, stopped emplying effective movement and became extremely hittable and also hasn't shown almost any of the excellent jiu jitsu he did in his Pride career.

    (Interestingly, Wanderlei Silva suffered an inverse process, as he became more tentative and less agressive as his chin started to give out).
     
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    Shogun was always wild as hell. The kicking thing could be because of his serious injuries (I know I know, Shogun hugger's no.1 excuse).

    Fedor I'll give you, but he started believing it was in the stars for him to win.
     
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    countswagula Gold Belt

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    BJ is another example, who, even if not a straight up brawler, became increasingly one-dimensional and reliant on his hands.
     
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    Kos, threw his wrestling away for his beloved right hand.
     
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    bambammccoy Red Belt

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    His knees have been done. Then JBJ kicked them to shit and that didn't help one bit.
     
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    I immediately thought, Dan Henderson. Just thought it would've been mentioned immediately. I'm never too quick to jump on posts... but uh yeah, Hendo's a good example.
     
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    countswagula Gold Belt

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    Good example, his wrestling and most of all wrestling defense haven't looked good in years.
     
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    Rampage. No more kicks, knees, or slams just punches. He would throw the same combo over & over regardless if he's winning or losing.
     
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    This ... Dan goes for broke and tries to land the H-Bomb every time abandoning his good wrestling
     
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    SeattleFightFan Steel Belt

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    but not a head hunter brawler thogh, just a boxer. like Rampage. big difference than what TS is asking (i think)

    to answer TS, i thought Fedor & Shogun were good answers. i might have included CroCop, except he went downhill so much physically he didn't even become a headhunter/brawler; something less than that even.

    Gary Goodridge too
     
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    Fedor
    Shogun
    Hendo
    Rampage (not exactly a brawler but used only his hands in later UFC fights)
     
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    I think that KO power becomes addictive like a drug. Once you KO couple of people violently you want to do it every time, you become impatient.
     
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    I like your comments about Cro Cop, but I think the devastating blow to his psyche courtesy getting head-kicked into near-oblivion by Gonzaga was what really did him in. Mentally, he never recovered from that fight.
     
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    to be fair, i think its often outside of their control.

    for example frank shamrock said that his knees were so bad that by the time he made his "comeback" he had to strike since he couldnt shoot a doubleleg worth a damn anymore

    i think shogun was always a brawler, who with the exception of the lyoto fight, really wasnt the best striker. he really won his fights from getting trips or knockdowns and then beasting the shit out of them with GNP. for example, he got outstruck by lil nog but won that fight via top game.

    fedor ill give you. he seems like he still could grapple, but he just swung for the fences until his opponents tried to take him down
     
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    Didn't Ken have a similar situation as well after he returned to MMA from pro wrestling except his problems were back related?

    Shogun had good movement and his striking was well rounded but he lost a lot of that probably because of several knee surgeries.
     
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    possibly. but why would it ruin him more than the Randleman KO?

    physically he was on the downward spiral before that fight. a high level kickboxer hardly being able to lift his foot above his waist makes for a pretty shitty fighter, eh?
     
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    Reel Box Fen** Banned Banned

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    Fedor turned into a brawler because his ground game turned to shit with all of those hand injuries.
     
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    lowsingle Banned Banned

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    would not be surprised about ken. both shamrocks have insane wear and tear on their bodies by now

    and i agree, shogun was a very good striker. but i wouldnt even consider prime shogun a striker, it wasnt his strongest part of his game and he seemed to do it just long enough to get on top of them. compared to someone like wand, who often just went for stomps knowing that his opponents would get up and strike with him again
     
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    Fedor.
    This, as well as Shogun and Hendo.

    Shogun has always been fairly wild and not had much traditional boxing technique to speak of, but his kicks were the best part of his game, given that, like, two of the greatest performances of his entire career (vs. Chuck and Machida the first time) were based entirely around low kicks. Fuck ACL tears...

    (To the people who say "ohhh, injuries are just an excuse": some professional athletes call it a career after sustaining one [not three] ACL tear).
     

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