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Fighters past their prime

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  1. GOATtalks Brown Belt

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    I’m so tired of hearing about Sherdog’s favourite fighters losing only because their were “out of their prime”. Fedor only ever lost because he was out of his prime, Aldo got knocked out by Conor because he was past it, Jones has only ever beaten washed up legends, Cowboy is a washed up bum, prime BJ would beat Superman etc.

    Well the numbers don’t add up.

    Anderson became the UFC champ at 31 and dominated until 38, DC got the belt at 36, Stipe at 33. Mighty Mouse and Cejudo were both 31 and absolutely in their primes when they fought.

    Age of current UFC champs:

    BW Cejudo 33
    FW Volkanovski 31
    LW Khabib 31
    WW Usman 32
    MW Israel 30
    LHW Jones 32
    HW Stipe 37

    Plus 42 year old Yoel is fighting for the title next, as well as 35 y/o Jorge (48 pro fights), 36 y/o Tony, 33 y/o Aldo and maybe a 40 year old DC.

    Numbers show that fighters peak around at 30-35 and when they have had around 20-25 pro fights.

    MMA is still a new sport and the sharp declines of the first generations of fighters is mostly because of fresh talent that poured into this sport, rather then because of their physical prime ending.

    Accept it
     
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  2. oldmansmoker Orange Belt

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    Fedor lost, because he was training part time with kids in a playground, facts.
     
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    this thread is too dumb for words
     
  4. IsNormal Brown Belt

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    Yep. It's like sherdoggers are saying
    prime = that time when they were winning a lot
    past prime = that time when they weren't (or they were young in which case "they were green")

    As soon as someone hits 30 it's like sherdoggers are ready with their notes to argue they were out of prime.
    Unless they keep winning - in which case they can remain prime for multiple years to come
     
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  5. TheChosenOne Banned Banned

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    Age doesn't = mileage, but don't expect SherTwats to have double digit IQs.
     
  6. GOATtalks Brown Belt

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    Jones right before Reyes defended his title against 35 y/o Santos ( 21-6, 18 UFC fights) and 30 y/o Smith ( 32-13, 11 UFC fights). Those guys have so much mileage they should be dead, yet it was the peak of their careers. Same with Dustin against Khabib, same with Jorge now. Numbers don’t lie
     
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    Mileage is definitely more informative than age but ultimately you just have to look at how fighters perform to form some estimate of whether they're in or outside their primes.
    I don't just mean winning or losing: of course different opponents can spell greater or lesser success. But look at what they actually do. A single bad fight can be just a bad night; a great opponent can counter a fighter's skills, but if this becomes a pattern, chances are said fighter has declined (or, as some put it, past his prime).
     
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    That's the thing, many here just check fightfinder or wiki
     
  10. Katsumi Yamada Gold Belt

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    Every human being ages differently.

    Wear and tear, injuries play a part, even moreso than age.

    Wear and tear doesn't just mean the number of fights, as most of it happens in the gym.
     
  11. Rob-G Purple Belt

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    Mileage over age. Just look at Roy Jones Jr and Bernard Hopkins

    Not to mention you often hear that power is the last thing to go. It’s usually the technicians and the guys who are super fast that tend to fade sooner. The guys that rely more on power tend to usually stay competitive a little longer into the later years
     
  12. GOATtalks Brown Belt

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    Or it could depend from the quality of the opponents. Look at MVP. He looks like the best fighter ever against cans and then struggles against decent fighters. Give him a bum opponent and his “prime” magic powers come back. Just like Fedor returned to crushing cans after his brief Strikeforce career
     
  13. GOATtalks Brown Belt

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    True but it doesn’t mean we can just write off all the loses of our favourite fighters to that. No fighter should be considered the greatest of all time after 3 devastating stoppage loses, just because some fans think he was past his prime
     
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    Yea, but that genius Matt Hughes said that everyone is injured equally for every single fight, so that kind of stuff doesn’t matter.
     
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    Aldo got his prime knocked out of him by Connor

    Anderson was in his prime when he wad getting tapped out by Japanese cans
     
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    All the current UFC champs are millennials. Toughest generation confirmed.
     
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    Why is it dumb - because you disagree with it?
     
  19. felmmando Red Belt

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    I don't agree about the quality of Fedor's opposition before SF. Actually, regardless of what you think of his opponents, he's about as clear a case as you can find of a fighter being past his prime, since his reflexes are gone and his chin has turned from iron to glass. MVP is quite atypical of the kind of fighter who is described as being past his prime. In fact, I can't recall anyone suggesting that he is.
     
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    Wonderboy is looking a little past his prime these days.
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