Social "Fighters Against Socialism" Jorge Masvidal leading charge for better fighter pay

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I suppose you could get creative and pretend every state has the same cost of living, but we're counting actually living in poverty, not that houses are cheaper in places you don't live.
You're making that up.

They did not pretend every state has the same cost of living. They're counting the percent of people in each state that are living in poverty, using a complex estimation strategy relying on multiple data points.
 
So unions are socialism ? You guys really stretch things to a ridiculous degree. Imagine being that ridiculous to make a thread about this AND think you’re being clever
It's Masvidal and Don Jr. with the sign... {<diva}
 
So unions are socialism ? You guys really stretch things to a ridiculous degree. Imagine being that ridiculous to make a thread about this AND think you’re being clever
When we talk about "socialism" in America , we are not talking about Soviet or Cuban style Communism. We are talking about Universal Health Care, more government programs and funding, free college. Unions have always been associated with the left , people like Bernie and AOC, who push for better worker pay and rights. In America the rightwing labels AOC, Bernie and the left as Socialists, deliberately giving the impression these people are pushing for Communism.
 
Keep them hungry. It makes for better fights. <mma4>

Cant pay them nothing but it is fine the way it is now. So many former NFL guys entered even years ago

The reason Lebron or someone else doesnt make a switch is becayse they arent fighters at heart and also dont have martial arts skills
 
You're making that up.

They did not pretend every state has the same cost of living. They're counting the percent of people in each state that are living in poverty, using a complex estimation strategy relying on multiple data points.
Uh, yes, that's exactly what they did. They used a national poverty level and made no adjustments for the cost of living. Would you rather make $31k in a place where average housing prices are $800k, or $28k where houses are $150k?

And to help out @LangfordBarrow trying to squeeze an "orange man bad" and saying California is poor because Drumpf lol, here is an article from 8 years ago where California was already the poorest state in the country. Apparently Trump went back in time to make Californians poor before he ever ran for any office, and he also made Cuba poor, and it's also probably his fault that Venezuela and the soviet union were poor.

https://www.laweekly.com/california-is-americas-poorest-state/
 
Uh, yes, that's exactly what they did. They used a national poverty level and made no adjustments for the cost of living. Would you rather make $31k in a place where average housing prices are $800k, or $28k where houses are $150k?
No, you're lying.

Estimation Strategy

The main goal of the Small Area Income and Poverty Estimates project is to create single-year estimates of median household income and number in poverty for states, counties, and school districts that are more precise than those available from surveys alone. For each of five key income and poverty statistics at the state level and each of four key income and poverty statistics at the county level, we have used a combination of multiple regression estimation techniques and shrinkage techniques to create these estimates. At the state level, we model poverty ratios. To obtain estimates of numbers of poor persons, we multiply these rates by demographic estimates of their denominators. At the county level, we model number in poverty directly. We do not model poverty rates for counties because we do not know how to gauge the quality of the population estimates for counties. The strategy of separating the state and county models was adopted because it was found that models constructed for states were superior in terms of goodness-of-fit, and that their results could provide "controls" to the county estimates.

Our modeling relies on administrative data derived from tax returns, counts of participants in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, data from the Bureau of Economic Analysis, decennial census estimates, postcensal population estimates, and the American Community Survey (ACS). Using these administrative and survey data, we build dependent and independent variables for our models and test our models. For school districts we use a synthetic approach that utilizes ACS 5-Year poverty estimates, confidential IRS personal income tax data, and the most recent model-based estimates for counties. We also use the most up-to-date boundaries from the Census Bureau’s School District Review Program (SDRP).

Estimates from the ACS 1-Year provide the measures of income and poverty that serve as the dependent variables in the state and county regression models. The ACS was first incorporated into to the SAIPE model for the 2005 estimates. Prior to this, the SAIPE program used data from the Current Population Survey (CPS) Annual Social and Economic Supplement (ASEC) as its survey component. This change was made primarily for two reasons. First, in 2006 the Census Bureau changed the basis of its official direct state poverty estimates from CPS ASEC data to ACS data. Since SAIPE focuses on estimates at state and lower levels of geography, changing to ACS as the basis for SAIPE is consistent with this change made for the official direct survey estimates. Second, the much larger sample size in the ACS (over 3,000,000 addresses nationally) than in the CPS ASEC (about 100,000 addresses nationally) conveys significant advantages for small area estimation. In general, the larger ACS sample sizes lead to substantially lower variances of the direct survey estimates and to mostly lower variances for the resulting model-based estimates.

While the ACS sample sizes for many counties are large enough to permit the derivation of direct county estimates for the key statistics, they are not sufficient for all statistics in some counties. Direct estimates from the ACS 1-Year are mainly available for counties with population size greater than 65,000, which makes up approximately 26% of counties and covers roughly 85% of the U.S. population. By “borrowing strength” from administrative data, the SAIPE program increases estimate precision and decreases year-to-year volatility of ACS estimates allowing SAIPE to release income and poverty estimates for all counties annually.

For the state and county models, both published and unpublished ACS 1-Year estimates are used as the dependent variable. From this estimated equation and known values of administrative variables, a regression "prediction" is obtained for each county. This regression-based prediction is combined with the direct sample estimate, with each component receiving a weight. The sum of the two weights for each area is one. The weight for the model prediction component is the ratio of the sampling variance of the direct estimate to the total variance (sampling plus "lack of fit") of the direct estimate. Using this technique, the more uncertain the direct sample estimate, the larger the contribution from the regression model. These weights are commonly referred to as "shrinkage weights" and the final estimates as "shrinkage estimates." The final step in the estimation of state- and county-level estimation is to use a simple ratio technique to control the sum of the number in poverty at the state-level to the ACS national estimate, and at the county-level to the resulting controlled state estimate. Estimated median household income for counties and states are not similarly controlled to state or national medians. Since school district estimates are derived from a synthetic within-county shares approach, the application of the eventual shares estimates to the prior controlled county estimates will result in consistent totals throughout the database.
 
F this thread it's nothing but a deranged leftist cesspool. As far as Jorge goes I appreciate the effort but let it go man.
 
Cant pay them nothing but it is fine the way it is now. So many former NFL guys entered even years ago

The reason Lebron or someone else doesnt make a switch is becayse they arent fighters at heart and also dont have martial arts skills
They should split it 50-50, not 80-20, it's the fighters putting their bodies and even lives on the line.
 
Don't sign the contracts! Start an organization and keep the 75%... Oh, that's too much work to do? It won't be as successful? So what! Everyone wants to make more money...
 
Cuts both ways. Left hates police unions.
I think there's a bit of a difference there. I don't hate police unions at all, but I think unions of federal employees are often a bit too strong, and police unions are pretty famous for keeping their members from accountability. You can't weed out the bad cops if you have a strike on your hands whenever you try. This same principle applies to regular unions protecting slackers and such, but that seems more benign when you compare it to government employees with guns.
 
No, you're lying.

Estimation Strategy

The main goal of the Small Area Income and Poverty Estimates project is to create single-year estimates of median household income and number in poverty for states, counties, and school districts that are more precise than those available from surveys alone. For each of five key income and poverty statistics at the state level and each of four key income and poverty statistics at the county level, we have used a combination of multiple regression estimation techniques and shrinkage techniques to create these estimates. At the state level, we model poverty ratios. To obtain estimates of numbers of poor persons, we multiply these rates by demographic estimates of their denominators. At the county level, we model number in poverty directly. We do not model poverty rates for counties because we do not know how to gauge the quality of the population estimates for counties. The strategy of separating the state and county models was adopted because it was found that models constructed for states were superior in terms of goodness-of-fit, and that their results could provide "controls" to the county estimates.

Our modeling relies on administrative data derived from tax returns, counts of participants in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, data from the Bureau of Economic Analysis, decennial census estimates, postcensal population estimates, and the American Community Survey (ACS). Using these administrative and survey data, we build dependent and independent variables for our models and test our models. For school districts we use a synthetic approach that utilizes ACS 5-Year poverty estimates, confidential IRS personal income tax data, and the most recent model-based estimates for counties. We also use the most up-to-date boundaries from the Census Bureau’s School District Review Program (SDRP).

Estimates from the ACS 1-Year provide the measures of income and poverty that serve as the dependent variables in the state and county regression models. The ACS was first incorporated into to the SAIPE model for the 2005 estimates. Prior to this, the SAIPE program used data from the Current Population Survey (CPS) Annual Social and Economic Supplement (ASEC) as its survey component. This change was made primarily for two reasons. First, in 2006 the Census Bureau changed the basis of its official direct state poverty estimates from CPS ASEC data to ACS data. Since SAIPE focuses on estimates at state and lower levels of geography, changing to ACS as the basis for SAIPE is consistent with this change made for the official direct survey estimates. Second, the much larger sample size in the ACS (over 3,000,000 addresses nationally) than in the CPS ASEC (about 100,000 addresses nationally) conveys significant advantages for small area estimation. In general, the larger ACS sample sizes lead to substantially lower variances of the direct survey estimates and to mostly lower variances for the resulting model-based estimates.

While the ACS sample sizes for many counties are large enough to permit the derivation of direct county estimates for the key statistics, they are not sufficient for all statistics in some counties. Direct estimates from the ACS 1-Year are mainly available for counties with population size greater than 65,000, which makes up approximately 26% of counties and covers roughly 85% of the U.S. population. By “borrowing strength” from administrative data, the SAIPE program increases estimate precision and decreases year-to-year volatility of ACS estimates allowing SAIPE to release income and poverty estimates for all counties annually.

For the state and county models, both published and unpublished ACS 1-Year estimates are used as the dependent variable. From this estimated equation and known values of administrative variables, a regression "prediction" is obtained for each county. This regression-based prediction is combined with the direct sample estimate, with each component receiving a weight. The sum of the two weights for each area is one. The weight for the model prediction component is the ratio of the sampling variance of the direct estimate to the total variance (sampling plus "lack of fit") of the direct estimate. Using this technique, the more uncertain the direct sample estimate, the larger the contribution from the regression model. These weights are commonly referred to as "shrinkage weights" and the final estimates as "shrinkage estimates." The final step in the estimation of state- and county-level estimation is to use a simple ratio technique to control the sum of the number in poverty at the state-level to the ACS national estimate, and at the county-level to the resulting controlled state estimate. Estimated median household income for counties and states are not similarly controlled to state or national medians. Since school district estimates are derived from a synthetic within-county shares approach, the application of the eventual shares estimates to the prior controlled county estimates will result in consistent totals throughout the database.
You're using 2 different metrics and trying to cram each into the other in order to pretend California is "right in the middle". Adjusted for cost of living, which is all that matters, California is dead last. DC isn't a state, but income inequality and literacy rates there give them a run for their money, and NY is nipping at their heels as well, and no amount of "the party is always right" fucking with stats is going to make anybody call tent cities a raging success.
 
Sometimes they just straight up tell you that unions will get you fired. I used to work at the Corporate office for Menards in Eau Claire, WI, and my bosses told everyone that company policy is to fire anyone advocating for a union.
I've had probably 3 different jobs that have showed an entire video talking about how bad unions are and to report any union talk you see in the basic new hire training.
 
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Jorge Masvidal hopes more people bring attention to fighter pay ‘because I think it’s messed up’

https://www.mmafighting.com/2021/9/...-to-fighter-pay-because-i-think-its-messed-up

Jorge Masvidal said he was “leading the charge” for better fighter pay in the UFC. But these days, he’s just not quite sure how 600-some independent contractors get together to make that happen...“Fighters are very individual creatures,” Masvidal said recently on The MMA Hour. “We’d have to come together under a roof, or something like that, and have each other’s best interests at heart, so we could sit down with everybody together. And that, in itself, is a problem.

Masvidal has said his mission is to get fighters their fair share of the revenue produced by their work in the octagon. According to court documents brought to in an anti-trust case against the UFC, the promotion expects to pay no more than 20 percent of that revenue to the fighters. “Gamebred” cited a recent Twitter graphic that put it at 16 percent, the share that went to fighters in 2012, according to internal projections made public through the lawsuit.

Masvidal believes things will change one day...he’s not sure what will be the catalyst.


The catalyst will be when it starts trickling down, Jorge. Just be patient.
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This is the cutest, saddest thing I've seen in a minute.
Jorge's smile and zeal looks so genuine, while Trump Jr. has on a very obvious 'for the camera' smile.


Jorge, bro......you work for Dana White...the half billionaire rightwing boss that is close buddies with Trump.
If that rich bastard and President Trump couldn't get you higher pay while you were at your hottest, what makes you think Trump Jr. is going to unlock the cheat code?

Cubans are like permanently fucked for a few generations. Socialism has completely wrecked their brains.
Good luck getting more money out of Dana using right wing principles.
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When we talk about "socialism" in America , we are not talking about Soviet or Cuban style Communism. We are talking about Universal Health Care, more government programs and funding, free college. Unions have always been associated with the left , people like Bernie and AOC, who push for better worker pay and rights. In America the rightwing labels AOC, Bernie and the left as Socialists, deliberately giving the impression these people are pushing for Communism.
Unions tend to be left but they aren’t on the level of socialism. Not unless you really decide to be very vague with your definition. As socialism usually has to have some sort of govt program. While unions are organizations
 
They should split it 50-50, not 80-20, it's the fighters putting their bodies and even lives on the line.

Naaa I dont care what another man makes let alone another rich man. To me it is cucked to care so much for what another already superior and famous man than yourself makes

The UFC subforum is a funny place I promise you most of the guys posting there have low paying jobs, are out of shape yet they argue so hard for someone they dont know to make more $$$ yet they wont argue for themselves to make more money $. Half of then are also "anti Socialist Trump supporters" so it is even funnier to see them advocate for fighter pay increases in a socialist manner yet they wont use those tactics for jobs that really matter...

So bizzare

You got people saying Poirier and Conor deserve even more money and it just screams of being cucked. It is like almost as bad as donating $100 or $20 to an already Rich man (Trump) but at least if you agree with Trumps politicial ideology then him having more $$$ to influence politics can work to your advantage if you feel his policies help you

Yet an MMA fighter will never do anything of real value for your life and yet we got half of this entire forum of losers whinning about fighter pay. So cucked

So simp like
 
You're using 2 different metrics and trying to cram each into the other in order to pretend California is "right in the middle".
Nope. You're lying.
Adjusted for cost of living, which is all that matters, California is dead last.
Lying again. You literally just quoted me showing how they reached their estimations. They didn't ignore the cost of living.
DC isn't a state, but income inequality and literacy rates there give them a run for their money, and NY is nipping at their heels as well, and no amount of "the party is always right" fucking with stats is going to make anybody call tent cities a raging success.
It's as of 2019. Under the U.S. Dept of Agriculture. Meaning under Sonny Perdue, a Republican former Governor of Georgia. Nominated by President Trump. Or is he a deep state operative trying to make red states look bad?
 
This is the cutest, saddest thing I've seen in a minute.
Jorge's smile and zeal looks so genuine, while Trump Jr. has on a very obvious 'for the camera' smile.


Jorge, bro......you work for Dana White...the half billionaire rightwing boss that is close buddies with Trump.
If that rich bastard and President Trump couldn't get you higher pay while you were at your hottest, what makes you think Trump Jr. is going to unlock the cheat code?

Cubans are like permanently fucked for a few generations. Socialism has completely wrecked their brains.
Good luck getting more money out of Dana using right wing principles.
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Jorge is a poor decision maker. He spent thousands of dollars to cosplay as Scarface.

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Would have been cheaper (and more apropos) if he chose this costume, though.

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Nope. You're lying.

Lying again. You literally just quoted me showing how they reached their estimations. They didn't ignore the cost of living.

It's as of 2019. Under the U.S. Dept of Agriculture. Meaning under Sonny Perdue, a Republican former Governor of Georgia. Nominated by President Trump. Or is he a deep state operative trying to make red states look bad?
To clarify, you think California is a well run state with a thriving middle class?

Just lol. The average cost of a house is $800k ffs.

The latest Census figures say 23.8 percent of us are living in poverty, or that almost one in four Californians is poor. Unofficially.

Without the adjustments made under the supplemental poverty measure, our rate would be 16.5 percent. And that's the official number.
https://www.laweekly.com/california-is-americas-poorest-state/
 
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