International Feinstein(D) Claims China 'Growing Into Respectable Nation'

[Yehudim]

China has problems but let's stop throwing a fit any time someone complements China. Bernie gave China credit for lifting hundreds of millions out of poverty and the media ate him alive for it. It's ridiculous. We should be able to call out their bad stuff and give them credit for the good they do.

Welp, I replied to you in another thread for using Chinese propaganda and it’s clear you’re an ABC.

The CCP didn’t lift anyone out of poverty. The Chinese people did it themselves.

I don’t get the credit for rebuilding your home when I destroyed it and simply allowed you to rebuild it.

The less restrictions the CCP put on the lives of Chinese people, the richer they become.

The market reforms of the very late 70s and early 80s was a result of the Cultural Revolution destroying the CCPs ability to govern and legitimizing the black market-free market trade going on.

A lot of people have written about this, but I’d recommend Kate Zhou’s work on it which shows that the CCP has nothing to do with market reforms except by legitimizing it.

 

[lfd0311]

China has problems but let's stop throwing a fit any time someone complements China. Bernie gave China credit for lifting hundreds of millions out of poverty and the media ate him alive for it. It's ridiculous. We should be able to call out their bad stuff and give them credit for the good they do.

They ate him alive for that because it's objectively not true.

 

[MVelsor]

You'll see Sherbrahs conflate her with the "infamous" Nancy Pelosi on here (whom they will hate blindly regardless) but it just isn't warranted where the CCP is concerned. Pelosi is routinely castigated by Chinese nationalist tabloids as "vicious" and to the regime, she largely is. The only current Dems in Congress (both House & Senate) who are bigger hawks might be Chris Van Hollen, Sherrod Brown and Ruben Gallego, but that's about it.

I'm just saying like, if Trump succumbed to COVID and E.F. Pence was randomly struck dead by a bolt of lightning, President Pelosi wouldn't get "bent over" (umm, okay) by the CCP.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapo...e-government-the-democrats-wont-save-you/amp/

Here is what Pelosi thinks about China:

“The report of the USTR investigation on China’s intellectual property theft is a good first step, but far more is need to confront the full range of China’s bad behavior. Beijing’s regulatory barriers, localization requirements, labor abuses, anticompetitive ‘Made in China 2025’ policy and many other unfair trade practices require a full and comprehensive response. The tariffs announced today should be used as a leverage point to negotiate more fair and open trade for U.S. products in China.”

This from a woman whose district in the state of California has seen a marked increase in trade with China. She both knows the economic benefit of China and the impact China trade has had on blue collar labor, as well as on the intellectual property often created in the Bay Area she represents. It’s true that governors and business representatives like doing business with China, but Washington is another animal with quite a different mindset.

 

[MVelsor]

Not that I'd ever defend the Green New Deal or Feinstein, because she's a stupid cunt, but that's an impossible situation to look good in. That's pretty shameful for that teacher to use the children like that.

Yeah, the "Sunrise Movement" is quite unhinged. They also staged a sit-in at Pelosi's office with Ocasio-Cortez. As the biggest proponent of the American petroleum industry on this entire forum (fact), this made me laugh out loud.

 

[4daLuLZ]

Modern liberal darling, Senator Feinstein, who best known for trying to smear a hero judge and inviting far left agitators to Senate hearings, recently said China is becoming a 'Respectable Nation'. China that caused the corona virus, has terrible human right violations among the Uighurs and Hong Kong, that steals intellectual property at a global scale, etc, the list goes on. This is perhaps one of the most egregious statements coming out of a US senator. She had a Chinese spy on her own staff FFS.



You see people like this and have to wonder what they have on her.

Disgusting.

Did she also praise President Xi and tell us how much she admired him while getting millions in tax breaks and running all her businesses from there ? Touting Make in USA while getting everything Made in China. Even during the pandemic

I heard her son in law was busy selling real estate and passports there too.

 

[4daLuLZ]

Aliens ?

 

[Mr Holmes]

Disgusting.

Did she also praise President Xi and tell us how much she admired him while getting millions in tax breaks and running all her businesses from there ? Touting Make in USA while getting everything Made in China. Even during the pandemic

I heard her son in law was busy selling real estate and passports there too.

But but but Drumf

 

[4daLuLZ]

But but but Drumf

Oh she’s wrong but I couldn't resist pointing out the hypocrisy at play.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Oh she’s wrong but I couldn't resist pointing out the hypocrisy at play.

What hypocrisy?

 

[LuchaBear]

There's a special place in hell for people who don't respect China.

 

[LuchaBear]

Ya but you posted a video with Krystal Ball, now this thread has to be about her.

 

[MVelsor]

Ya but you posted a video with Krystal Ball, now this thread has to be about her.

It's about Nancy Pelosi now.

There's a special place in hell for people who don't respect China.

Continued...

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Pelosi-on-China-A-voice-in-the-global-wilderness-3082494.php

June 29, 1998

CHINA -- It's not often that members of Congress find themselves running from police in foreign countries. But in September 1991, Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-San Francisco, had slipped out of her Beijing hotel room, with reporters and a crowd of curious followers in tow, and gone without official permission to Tiananmen Square.

Along with two other members of Congress, Pelosi unwrapped a banner that read, "To those who died for democracy in China." The decidedly undiplomatic delegation was immediately surrounded by police and Chinese "tourists" who pulled walkie-talkies from their backpacks.

Anybody watching Pelosi since San Francisco voters elected her to Congress in 1987 could find dozens of deliberate anti-China incidents orchestrated by the 58-year-old mother of five. She keeps a photo from the 1991 visit, displaying it occasionally on the floor of Congress.

Pelosi has emerged as a leading critic of the Chinese regime and of her own president, who she says has a bankrupt policy toward China. More often than not, she finds herself on the outside while Bill Clinton dines on chilled lobster with Chinese President Jiang Zemin.

While fellow Bay Area resident Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein was hosting a 1997 Blair House reception for her "oldest friend in China" - Jiang - Pelosi was across the street at a protest denouncing him as a despot.

"What do they expect me to say?" Pelosi asked. "That it's not OK for a Republican president to coddle dictators, but it's OK for a Democrat?"

https://www.salon.com/2006/11/20/pelosi_and_china/

November 21, 2006

There isn't a single legislator in either chamber of Congress who has been more aggressive in criticizing China over the past decade than Pelosi. It is no exaggeration to call her a cold warrior of the sternest mettle. First elected in 1986, she was galvanized by the Tiananmen incident in 1989 to put human rights in China at the top of her legislative priorities.

She's been consistent in her advocacy of Chinese human rights ever since. She led numerous congressional efforts to revoke China's "most favored nation" trade status under both the George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton administrations. She unveiled a protest banner on Tiananmen Square in 1991 to mark the two-year anniversary of the crackdown on the student-led protests. Some legislators talk a good game on China, and then refrain from actually introducing any legislation. Not Pelosi.

Could there be a worse choice, as far as the People's Republic of China is concerned, to be Speaker of the House? Not unless his name was Chiang Kai-shek, or Tojo. (Naturally, Taiwan's attitude is more favorable.)
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Even after earning the House Speakership, Pelosi continued to antagonize the Chinese regime, meeting with pro-democracy dissidents during another diplomatic trip in 2009, after pushing for a boycott of the Beijing Olympics in 2008.

 

[LuchaBear]

It's about Nancy Pelosi now.


Continued...

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Pelosi-on-China-A-voice-in-the-global-wilderness-3082494.php

June 29, 1998

CHINA -- It's not often that members of Congress find themselves running from police in foreign countries. But in September 1991, Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-San Francisco, had slipped out of her Beijing hotel room, with reporters and a crowd of curious followers in tow, and gone without official permission to Tiananmen Square.

Along with two other members of Congress, Pelosi unwrapped a banner that read, "To those who died for democracy in China." The decidedly undiplomatic delegation was immediately surrounded by police and Chinese "tourists" who pulled walkie-talkies from their backpacks.

Anybody watching Pelosi since San Francisco voters elected her to Congress in 1987 could find dozens of deliberate anti-China incidents orchestrated by the 58-year-old mother of five. She keeps a photo from the 1991 visit, displaying it occasionally on the floor of Congress.

Pelosi has emerged as a leading critic of the Chinese regime and of her own president, who she says has a bankrupt policy toward China. More often than not, she finds herself on the outside while Bill Clinton dines on chilled lobster with Chinese President Jiang Zemin.

While fellow Bay Area resident Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein was hosting a 1997 Blair House reception for her "oldest friend in China" - Jiang - Pelosi was across the street at a protest denouncing him as a despot.

"What do they expect me to say?" Pelosi asked. "That it's not OK for a Republican president to coddle dictators, but it's OK for a Democrat?"

https://www.salon.com/2006/11/20/pelosi_and_china/

November 21, 2006

There isn't a single legislator in either chamber of Congress who has been more aggressive in criticizing China over the past decade than Pelosi. It is no exaggeration to call her a cold warrior of the sternest mettle. First elected in 1986, she was galvanized by the Tiananmen incident in 1989 to put human rights in China at the top of her legislative priorities.

She's been consistent in her advocacy of Chinese human rights ever since. She led numerous congressional efforts to revoke China's "most favored nation" trade status under both the George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton administrations. She unveiled a protest banner on Tiananmen Square in 1991 to mark the two-year anniversary of the crackdown on the student-led protests. Some legislators talk a good game on China, and then refrain from actually introducing any legislation. Not Pelosi.

Could there be a worse choice, as far as the People's Republic of China is concerned, to be Speaker of the House? Not unless his name was Chiang Kai-shek, or Tojo. (Naturally, Taiwan's attitude is more favorable.)
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Even after earning the House Speakership, Pelosi continued to antagonize the Chinese regime, meeting with pro-democracy dissidents during another diplomatic trip in 2009, after pushing for a boycott of the Beijing Olympics in 2008.

 

[Oceanmachine]

Term limits would help. 16 total years of service.

8 terms in congress

2 terms congress 2 terms senate

1 term congress 1 term senate 2 terms president

mix and match. A total limit of 16 years would be the key factor.

Instead of party people would vote on platform.

Not having term limits for the upper house and longer term lengths for the upper house is common in Oligarchy ran states.


Also 16 years doesnt make sense for a senator. You forgetting they have 6 year term lengths?

Senate should have 3x terma max or 2x. 12 years or 18 max. The House is more competitive and is electiona every 2 yeara and doeant control who entera the Judiacry, doesnt control foreign policy either.

 

[MVelsor]

That's one badass bitch right there. There's damn few who would ever have the conviction (nevermind guts) to pull a physical stunt like that in the heart of Beijing. Even the most ardent Pelosi hater on domestic policy has to respect her Anti-CCP pedigree.

 

[MVelsor]

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

China has consolidated power around a single Pooh Bear, and has been more aggressive and violent ever since.

Their behaviour in Hong Kong alone is enough to warrant international sanction. It’s a pure, naked crackdown on Democratic freedom and processes, committing violence against its own people. Their claims in the South China Sea are way out of line and they’re even claiming territory that belongs to Japan. This agitation is all bad news and it’s stupid; should be addressed and shut down. But America is run by corporate minded traitors who want access to Chinese markets, so we’ll see these little slap-on-the-wrist fights more often. Bad road to start down though

How do you rate the cock-blocking of Huawei that's taken place?

 

[4daLuLZ]

Have you actually read that speech and tried comprehending in what context he was speaking or have you just taken excerpts and tried fitting them around your narrative ?

It’s a rhetorical question, no need to answer because we all know the answer.

 

[Orgasmo]

Welp, I replied to you in another thread for using Chinese propaganda and it’s clear you’re an ABC.

The CCP didn’t lift anyone out of poverty. The Chinese people did it themselves.

I don’t get the credit for rebuilding your home when I destroyed it and simply allowed you to rebuild it.

The less restrictions the CCP put on the lives of Chinese people, the richer they become.

The market reforms of the very late 70s and early 80s was a result of the Cultural Revolution destroying the CCPs ability to govern and legitimizing the black market-free market trade going on.

A lot of people have written about this, but I’d recommend Kate Zhou’s work on it which shows that the CCP has nothing to do with market reforms except by legitimizing it.

You are aware that China's market reforms were heavily driven by centralized planning and state enterprises right? If lack of restrictions were the recipe for success, then Somalia would surely be the most dynamic economy in the world. People in India enjoy much greater political freedom than Chinese, and they both had similar sized economies in early 1990's. China's economy is five times the size of India today, and that gap is still growing.

Look at the Asian Tigers (Taiwan, South Korea, Singapore and HK). Their greatest period of growth was under authoritarian rules. CCP is simply copying that playbook.

 

[Low Test With da Best]

China is so respectable that they are helping Muslims get higher scores by sending them to schools to help them concentrate.

Your posts always warm my brisket, but this one exceptionally so.