- Nov 25, 2002
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I don't know.
He managed to piss off like three or four independant jiu jitsu entities for things "that weren't his fault"
No ones luck is that bad. I think there is more to this story.
I've trained at Roy's here in San Diego and I have to say that the guy is one of the quietest, nicest, most well spoken guys around (and a monster on the mat to boot!) In truth he didn't really piss off "all those guys." He just upset one...who told the others...who then told even more people. The BJJ community was very clan based back then (more so than today I think) so if Royce got a hang nail and though it was your fault then Rickson would know about it, the Machado's would know about it, etc.
I thought Roy's version still expressed the respect that he had for all those people and he was more upset about the fact that it had to happen at all and what that said about the BJJ community at the time. You must also remember that Roy isn't the only one with a story like this about the Gracie camp. He's just the one with the longest, most well written, story about the Gracie camp. The story we've all come to know and point to when this topic comes up. Love it or hate it there is a lot of politics involved, even today. Hell, how many stories have you heard about the infighting between different Gracies?! I don't for a second doubt what Roy wrote but I also still have an enormous respect for the Gracies and what they've done over the past 80 years.
I don't think so...
Think about it, if you ran a business with your brothers, cousins, father, etc. and you felt one of your business partners betrayed you....wouldn't you expect the rest of your family write him off too? Or would you allow the rest of your family to continue to work with him?
I believe every word of this story bc this is exactly what is is happening in a Gracie affliated school right now. An instructor is kicking students out of his school for training with another BJJ instructor. And I am speaking from experiences that I have witnessed or seen first hand. I don't want to bring drama to this thread by getting specific but this seems to be the Gracie way.
The Chinese and Japanese did this as well. Bruce Lee was outcasted for teaching Asian martial arts to Americans. Many consider martial arts to be secret. I dont entirely blame the Gracies though either. Their ancestor (for the most part) started this art so they feel that it is theirs, so I kinda see where they are coming from. However, those days are long gone....bc people have improved upon their art.
Every BJJ school can trace their lineage to a Gracie family member. Being a Gracie or a student of the Gracies doesn't make you clannish or arrogant. Being a Gracie affiliate likewise does not make you clannish or arrogant. It just isn't a causal relationship between studying under a Gracie and kicking people out. I left a Pedro Sauer affiliate because I grew tired of the politics. I currently train at a Team Balance affiliate, which itself is a Relson Gracie academy. I think we are cool guys. The point is that you being a Gracie or not doesn't say anything about your character. It is unfair of you to judge them all for the actions of a few. Or even the current crop for actions that happened a decade ago. Like others have said, people change and they could have mellowed out as they grew older and wiser.