Fedor > GSP p4p GOAT and it's not close

[nick a]

Dumb post, nog was considered the best in the world before his first fight with Fedor

Dumb avatar, Nog was considered the best heavyweight in a time when mma was still evolving. Best heavyweight does mean baddest man on the planet but take weight and size out of the equation which is what needs to be done when talking
p4p. The best heavyweights ever are not SKILLED enough to hang with the lower weight guys. Anyone thinking Fedor, nog or any heavyweight could hang with a TJ Dillashaw or a Demetrious Johnson at 135 is delirious. Heavyweights are great fun to watch but should never be mentioned in a p4p discussion.

 

[rakeleaves]

Fedor is 6' and always fought at around 230 pounds... sometimes several pounds lighter, sometimes several pounds heavier. The best way to do this is to have 3 categories:

Smaller: this is the category where Fedor was smaller than his opponent.
Same size: this is the category where there was minimal difference in height and no more than 10 pounds difference in weight (10 pounds in the heavyweight division is completely negligible).
Bigger: this is the category where Fedor was bigger than his opponent.

Let's take a look at the height and weight of his opponents:

Martin Lazarov: weight and height unknown, but if you watch videos of the fight it is obvious that Lazarov is at best the same size but in all likelihood smaller. But in the interest of fairness we'll classify this opponent as being the same size seeing there are no actual stats. Category: Same size.

Levon Laglivava: exactly the same scenario as Lazarov. Category: Same size.

Hiroya Takada: 5'10", 216 pounds. 2 inches shorter and 14 pounds lighter than Fedor. Category: Bigger.

Ricardo Arona: 5'11", 200 pounds. 1 inch shorter and 30 pounds lighter than Fedor. Category: Bigger.

Tsuyohsi Kosaka: 5'11, 225 pounds. 1 inch shorter and 5 pounds lighter than Fedor. Category: Same size.

Mihail Apostolov: 6', 231 pounds. Same height and 1 pound heavier than Fedor. Category: Same size.

Kerry Schall: 6'2", 283 pounds. 2 inches taller and 53 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Smaller.

Renato Sobral: 6', 229 pounds. Same height and 1 pound lighter than Fedor. Category: Same size.

Ryushi Yanagisawa: 6'3", 225 pounds. 3 inches taller, 5 pounds lighter than Fedor. Category: Same size.

Lee Hasdell: 6'1", 220 pounds. 1 inch taller, 10 pounds lighter than Fedor. Category: Same size.

Chris Haseman: 5'11", 217 pounds. 1 inch shorter, 13 pounds lighter than Fedor. Category: Bigger.

Semmy Schilt: 6'9", 295 pounds. 9 inches taller, 65 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Smaller.

Heath Herring: 6'4", 250 pounds. 4 inches taller, 20 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Smaller.

Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira: 6'3", 227 pounds. 3 inches taller, 3 pounds lighter than Fedor. Category: Same size.

Egidijus Valavicius: 6', 205 pounds. Same height, 25 pounds less than Fedor. Category: Bigger.

Kazuyuki Fujita: 6', 240 pounds. Same height, 10 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Same size.

Gary Goodridge: 6'3", 240 pounds. 2 inches taller, 10 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Same size.

Yuji Nagata: 6', 224 pounds. Same height, 6 pounds lighter than Fedor. Category: Same size.

Mark Coleman: 6'1", 224 pounds. Same height, 6 pounds lighter than Fedor. Category: Same size.

Kevin Randleman: 5'10", 205 pounds. 2 inches shorter, 25 pounds lighter than Fedor. Category: Bigger.

Naoya Ogawa: 6'4", 250 pounds2 inches taller, 20 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Smaller.

Mirko Filipovic: 6'2", 225 pounds. 2 inches taller, 5 pounds lighter than Fedor. Category: Same size.

Zulu: 6'5", 341 pounds. 5 inches taller, 111 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Smaller.

Mark Hunt: 5'10", 262 pounds. 2 inches shorter, 32 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Smaller.

Matt Lindland: 6', 212 pounds. Same height, 18 pounds lighter than Fedor. Category: Bigger.

Hong Man Choi: 7'1", 315 pounds. 13 inches taller, 85 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Smaller.

Tim Sylvia: 6'8", 263 pounds. 8 inches taller, 33 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Smaller.

Andrei Arlovski: 6'4", 237 pounds. 4 inches taller, 7 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Smaller.

Brett Rogers: 6'4", 264 pounds. 4 inches taller, 34 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Smaller.

Fabricio Werdum:6'3", 238 pounds. 3 inches taller, 8 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Smaller.

Antonio Silva: 6'4", 264 pounds. 4 inches taller and 34 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Smaller.

Dan Henderson: 5'11", 207 pounds. 1 inch shorter, 23 pounds lighter than Fedor. Category: Bigger.

Jeff Monson: 5'8", 237 pounds. 4 inches shorter, 7 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Same size.

Satoshi Ishii: 5'11", 240 pounds. 1 inch shorter, 10 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Same size.

Pedro Rizzo: 6'1", 246 pounds. 1 inch taller, 16 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Smaller.


So here are the facts. Fedor fought a total of 35 opponents in his career. Of these 35 opponents, he was smaller than 13 of them, the same size as 15 of them and bigger than 7 of them. What this means is that throughout his career Fedor was either the same size or actually had a size advantage over a whopping 63% of his opponents.

Too often you see people try to purport the fallacy of Fedor being at a size disadvantage for the majority of his career. Well these facts prove that the truth is actually the complete opposite, and I challenge anyone to try to prove otherwise.

Good post but 47% is still a significant number.

 

[TheComebackKid]

What about this number : Fedor was either the same size or actually had a size DISadvantage over a whopping 80% of his opponents. What a warrior, right? Numbers are small creatures and you can make them say whatever you want.

Royce was also often at a major size disadvantage. It's amazing how easily a size advantage can be offset by lack of skills, isn't it?

 

[HuntoGoato]

Fedor is 6' and always fought at around 230 pounds... sometimes several pounds lighter, sometimes several pounds heavier. The best way to do this is to have 3 categories:

Smaller: this is the category where Fedor was smaller than his opponent.
Same size: this is the category where there was minimal difference in height and no more than 10 pounds difference in weight (10 pounds in the heavyweight division is completely negligible).
Bigger: this is the category where Fedor was bigger than his opponent.

Let's take a look at the height and weight of his opponents:

Martin Lazarov: weight and height unknown, but if you watch videos of the fight it is obvious that Lazarov is at best the same size but in all likelihood smaller. But in the interest of fairness we'll classify this opponent as being the same size seeing there are no actual stats. Category: Same size.

Levon Laglivava: exactly the same scenario as Lazarov. Category: Same size.

Hiroya Takada: 5'10", 216 pounds. 2 inches shorter and 14 pounds lighter than Fedor. Category: Bigger.

Ricardo Arona: 5'11", 200 pounds. 1 inch shorter and 30 pounds lighter than Fedor. Category: Bigger.

Tsuyohsi Kosaka: 5'11, 225 pounds. 1 inch shorter and 5 pounds lighter than Fedor. Category: Same size.

Mihail Apostolov: 6', 231 pounds. Same height and 1 pound heavier than Fedor. Category: Same size.

Kerry Schall: 6'2", 283 pounds. 2 inches taller and 53 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Smaller.

Renato Sobral: 6', 229 pounds. Same height and 1 pound lighter than Fedor. Category: Same size.

Ryushi Yanagisawa: 6'3", 225 pounds. 3 inches taller, 5 pounds lighter than Fedor. Category: Same size.

Lee Hasdell: 6'1", 220 pounds. 1 inch taller, 10 pounds lighter than Fedor. Category: Same size.

Chris Haseman: 5'11", 217 pounds. 1 inch shorter, 13 pounds lighter than Fedor. Category: Bigger.

Semmy Schilt: 6'9", 295 pounds. 9 inches taller, 65 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Smaller.

Heath Herring: 6'4", 250 pounds. 4 inches taller, 20 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Smaller.

Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira: 6'3", 227 pounds. 3 inches taller, 3 pounds lighter than Fedor. Category: Same size.

Egidijus Valavicius: 6', 205 pounds. Same height, 25 pounds less than Fedor. Category: Bigger.

Kazuyuki Fujita: 6', 240 pounds. Same height, 10 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Same size.

Gary Goodridge: 6'3", 240 pounds. 2 inches taller, 10 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Same size.

Yuji Nagata: 6', 224 pounds. Same height, 6 pounds lighter than Fedor. Category: Same size.

Mark Coleman: 6'1", 224 pounds. Same height, 6 pounds lighter than Fedor. Category: Same size.

Kevin Randleman: 5'10", 205 pounds. 2 inches shorter, 25 pounds lighter than Fedor. Category: Bigger.

Naoya Ogawa: 6'4", 250 pounds2 inches taller, 20 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Smaller.

Mirko Filipovic: 6'2", 225 pounds. 2 inches taller, 5 pounds lighter than Fedor. Category: Same size.

Zulu: 6'5", 341 pounds. 5 inches taller, 111 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Smaller.

Mark Hunt: 5'10", 262 pounds. 2 inches shorter, 32 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Smaller.

Matt Lindland: 6', 212 pounds. Same height, 18 pounds lighter than Fedor. Category: Bigger.

Hong Man Choi: 7'1", 315 pounds. 13 inches taller, 85 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Smaller.

Tim Sylvia: 6'8", 263 pounds. 8 inches taller, 33 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Smaller.

Andrei Arlovski: 6'4", 237 pounds. 4 inches taller, 7 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Smaller.

Brett Rogers: 6'4", 264 pounds. 4 inches taller, 34 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Smaller.

Fabricio Werdum:6'3", 238 pounds. 3 inches taller, 8 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Smaller.

Antonio Silva: 6'4", 264 pounds. 4 inches taller and 34 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Smaller.

Dan Henderson: 5'11", 207 pounds. 1 inch shorter, 23 pounds lighter than Fedor. Category: Bigger.

Jeff Monson: 5'8", 237 pounds. 4 inches shorter, 7 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Same size.

Satoshi Ishii: 5'11", 240 pounds. 1 inch shorter, 10 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Same size.

Pedro Rizzo: 6'1", 246 pounds. 1 inch taller, 16 pounds heavier than Fedor. Category: Smaller.


So here are the facts. Fedor fought a total of 35 opponents in his career. Of these 35 opponents, he was smaller than 13 of them, the same size as 15 of them and bigger than 7 of them. What this means is that throughout his career Fedor was either the same size or actually had a size advantage over a whopping 63% of his opponents.

Too often you see people try to purport the fallacy of Fedor being at a size disadvantage for the majority of his career. Well these facts prove that the truth is actually the complete opposite, and I challenge anyone to try to prove otherwise.

My name is Huntogoato and I support this message!

In b4 kikikdumbshit freaks out and starts posting irrelevant pictures.

Deal with it kids!

 

[Sirwastealot]

Royce was also often at a major size disadvantage. It's amazing how easily a size advantage can be offset by lack of skills, isn't it?

Yes it is. You need to have a major skill advantage and/or a specific kind of mind set to beat the bigger guys. Fedor, BJ Penn, Hendo (especially stopping Fedor)