Opinion FDR Was Right in 1944: We Need a Second Bill of Rights

[ShinkanPo]

He also reneged on a promise to the Filipinos who fought alongside Americans in WW2. He promised them full military benefits and never came through. It wasn't until 2009 that Barack Obama (in the stimulus package) issued each surviving Filipino WW2 veteran a check for $15,000, which honestly isn't shit. But it's an acknowledgement of a past misdeed, and an acknowledgement of their service.

Thanks Obama litteraly

 

[usmctanker242]

Judging by your username, I take it you are/were in the military, correct?

I always have trouble understanding guys in the military who rail against socialism. I mean, your livelihood depends on the the biggest socialistic institution we have, where the government does in fact control every single aspect of your existence, from where you live, to how you conduct yourself, to the length of your hair. You voluntarily immersed yourself in, and enjoy the benefits of, socialism. If you really are a big proponent of individualism and against the government coddling people, why would you join the military?

Because we whom spent time in the military saw how shitty a "socialist" type setting can be. Case in point : I fucked up my shoulder really bad. I went to "sick call" to see our Battalion Medical Officer (mind you, he's a Navy Officer, O-3), and he told me I was fine and to quit being a pussy. Well, I wasn't fine, and I had a level 3+ A/C separation which required a Weaver-Dunn surgery to correct. So for 7 months I was in extreme pain as my clavicle continued to travel further and further out of place. It wasn't until my clavicle had finally traveled so far out of place that it was jutting out of my skin that he FINALLY allowed me to to go the Naval Hospital to get it checked out properly. During that 7 months I had to do my normal day to day routine and that extra wear and tear on a separated joint turned my joint arthritic when I was in my mid-20's.

2nd point : government housing is fucking garbage and you don't get to pick where you live. They give you a place, like it or not, that's where you live. Fucking sucks (mind you I spent most of my time single and in the barracks) and it was miserable.

The reality is that we have seen what socialism is and most of us understand how horrible it is. Sure, life in the military isn't generally horrible for everybody, but we have experienced the bullshit that socialism has to offer.

 

[COTUR1@43]

 

[splendica]

Democrat Franklin D Roosevelt you say? Timestamped:

 

[splendica]

Because we whom spent time in the military saw how shitty a "socialist" type setting can be. Case in point : I fucked up my shoulder really bad. I went to "sick call" to see our Battalion Medical Officer (mind you, he's a Navy Officer, O-3), and he told me I was fine and to quit being a pussy. Well, I wasn't fine, and I had a level 3+ A/C separation which required a Weaver-Dunn surgery to correct. So for 7 months I was in extreme pain as my clavicle continued to travel further and further out of place. It wasn't until my clavicle had finally traveled so far out of place that it was jutting out of my skin that he FINALLY allowed me to to go the Naval Hospital to get it checked out properly. During that 7 months I had to do my normal day to day routine and that extra wear and tear on a separated joint turned my joint arthritic when I was in my mid-20's.

2nd point : government housing is fucking garbage and you don't get to pick where you live. They give you a place, like it or not, that's where you live. Fucking sucks (mind you I spent most of my time single and in the barracks) and it was miserable.

The reality is that we have seen what socialism is and most of us understand how horrible it is. Sure, life in the military isn't generally horrible for everybody, but we have experienced the bullshit that socialism has to offer.

People don't care properly for that which they haven't earned.

Trudeau cut a ribbon last year to mark 100 billion over 10 years to low-income housing (projects, essentially). Out of a population of 20 millionish tax-payers? It's absolute insanity, akin to flushing money down the toilet.

 

[helltoupee]

Because we whom spent time in the military saw how shitty a "socialist" type setting can be. Case in point : I fucked up my shoulder really bad. I went to "sick call" to see our Battalion Medical Officer (mind you, he's a Navy Officer, O-3), and he told me I was fine and to quit being a pussy. Well, I wasn't fine, and I had a level 3+ A/C separation which required a Weaver-Dunn surgery to correct. So for 7 months I was in extreme pain as my clavicle continued to travel further and further out of place. It wasn't until my clavicle had finally traveled so far out of place that it was jutting out of my skin that he FINALLY allowed me to to go the Naval Hospital to get it checked out properly. During that 7 months I had to do my normal day to day routine and that extra wear and tear on a separated joint turned my joint arthritic when I was in my mid-20's.

2nd point : government housing is fucking garbage and you don't get to pick where you live. They give you a place, like it or not, that's where you live. Fucking sucks (mind you I spent most of my time single and in the barracks) and it was miserable.

The reality is that we have seen what socialism is and most of us understand how horrible it is. Sure, life in the military isn't generally horrible for everybody, but we have experienced the bullshit that socialism has to offer.

So what you are saying is that you went in unaware, and after your experience in the military, you've decided that socialism is crap.

I can understand that argument, even if I don't agree with the basic premise. Socialism, like capitalism, can certainly be used for just as much good as bad.

 

[usmctanker242]

So what you are saying is that you went in unaware, and after your experience in the military, you've decided that socialism is crap.

I can understand that argument, even if I don't agree with the basic premise. Socialism, like capitalism, can certainly be used for just as much good as bad.

Never said I went in unaware, but I did say that after experiencing how bad it can be it's something I would never want for the people of the United States.

 

[ShinkanPo]

Because we whom spent time in the military saw how shitty a "socialist" type setting can be. Case in point : I fucked up my shoulder really bad. I went to "sick call" to see our Battalion Medical Officer (mind you, he's a Navy Officer, O-3), and he told me I was fine and to quit being a pussy. Well, I wasn't fine, and I had a level 3+ A/C separation which required a Weaver-Dunn surgery to correct. So for 7 months I was in extreme pain as my clavicle continued to travel further and further out of place. It wasn't until my clavicle had finally traveled so far out of place that it was jutting out of my skin that he FINALLY allowed me to to go the Naval Hospital to get it checked out properly. During that 7 months I had to do my normal day to day routine and that extra wear and tear on a separated joint turned my joint arthritic when I was in my mid-20's.

2nd point : government housing is fucking garbage and you don't get to pick where you live. They give you a place, like it or not, that's where you live. Fucking sucks (mind you I spent most of my time single and in the barracks) and it was miserable.

The reality is that we have seen what socialism is and most of us understand how horrible it is. Sure, life in the military isn't generally horrible for everybody, but we have experienced the bullshit that socialism has to offer.

Jesus.

 

[sickc0d3r]

Medical care is already a right. We just need to change how it is provided.

The others are too specific and could be condensed into one; like, everyone willing to work has the right to an adequate share of the resources.

 

[sickc0d3r]

People don't care properly for that which they haven't earned.

Trudeau cut a ribbon last year to mark 100 billion over 10 years to low-income housing (projects, essentially). Out of a population of 20 millionish tax-payers? It's absolute insanity, akin to flushing money down the toilet.

Actually, the money goes to people with jobs who provide housing. Then they give the money to other people with jobs, and so on, and so forth.

 

[tinker_190]

Maybe consider it a limit on corporations who control the government today?

In what way? All this bill is is a list of material goods that people want. That would involve expanding the state, not limiting the role corporations would play in things. In fact, I would venture to say that the opposite effect would happen.

If you want to limit corp influence on the state, you need to make the state less powerful. That reduces the incentive for individuals to pursue unfair state provided privilege.

 

[EradiatedHaggis]

1. A job.
2. An adequate wage and decent living.
3. A decent home.
4. Medical care.
5. Economic protection during sickness, accident, old age, or unemployment.
6. A good education.

1. Requires FORCING someone to hire them.
2. Would crush small and medium sized businesses that cannot afford to do that.
3. Wut?!? This is ridiculous. And who determines "decent"?
4. Hospitals do not reject emergencies and thus you already have that right. What you want is medical INSURANCE...you do not have a right to a service, nor should you.
5. We already have unemployment, sickness and accident protection comes via the paid service of health insurance...and old age? Stop abandoning your parents, kids. Family is supposed to take care of each other.
6. Or not. We have seen over the last 10 years how they are nothing more than indoctrination centers now...sure as fuck am not going to give up my money, to brainwash someone elses idiot child.

Hmmm so we could provide people today with the equivalent of what white people had then. Make it great for everyone like it was back then. Interesting concept.

I love how "white people" is used as if all white people had it a specific way...There are almost as many poor white people in America today than there are black people, total...and the number grows the further back you go in time.

https://www.theroot.com/hey-media-white-people-are-poor-too-1790899158

 

[cincymma79]

1. Requires FORCING someone to hire them.
2. Would crush small and medium sized businesses that cannot afford to do that.
3. Wut?!? This is ridiculous. And who determines "decent"?
4. Hospitals do not reject emergencies and thus you already have that right. What you want is medical INSURANCE...you do not have a right to a service, nor should you.
5. We already have unemployment, sickness and accident protection comes via the paid service of health insurance...and old age? Stop abandoning your parents, kids. Family is supposed to take care of each other.
6. Or not. We have seen over the last 10 years how they are nothing more than indoctrination centers now...sure as fuck am not going to give up my money, to brainwash someone elses idiot child.



I love how "white people" is used as if all white people had it a specific way...There are almost as many poor white people in America today than there are black people, total...and the number grows the further back you go in time.

https://www.theroot.com/hey-media-white-people-are-poor-too-1790899158

There are 5 times as many white people. Wouldn’t It be weird if there weren’t more of them?

 

[kpt018]

I feel sorry for your mother. The Allies have no moral high ground in WW2. Sorry.

Lol!

 

[EradiatedHaggis]

There are 5 times as many white people. Wouldn’t It be weird if there weren’t more of them?

1. How many there has nothing to do with it. Your comment made it sound like all white people had it a specific way that NO non-white person had it.
2. Your ending smacked of genocide.

 

[cincymma79]

1. How many there has nothing to do with it. Your comment made it sound like all white people had it a specific way that NO non-white person had it.
2. Your ending smacked of genocide.

on 2 i think you're mixing me up with lucky

on 1 i'm not. i know it was never great for all white people, but on average it was better for them than it was for others. america was also #1 in education and had a lof of great things going on. in turn, on average white people had it better and if we gave everyone that living standard in today today's equivalent terms we'd make america as great for everyone as it was for people on average back then. in short, make it great again

 

[EradiatedHaggis]

On 1 i'm not. i know it was never great for all white people, but on average it was better for them than it was for others. america was also #1 in education and had a lof of great things going on. in turn, on average white people had it better and if we gave everyone that living standard in today today's equivalent terms we'd make america as great for everyone as it was for people on average back then. in short, make it great again

Ok but lets ask WHY it was better, on average, for white people back then.

200 years of economic growth and technological advancements in "white" nations got them there...while the rest of the world stayed, for the most part, trapped in the past.

Thats centuries worth of white people undoing the natural state of life. Poverty. The vast majority of humanity has always been poor. White people slowly climbed out of it and recently in terms of history. Well, some of them did.

To say it is now a right, for everyone, or to use "averages" to compare to everyone else not having the same amount of stuff as white people is to ignore history and how we got here.

 

[Rational Poster]

1. Requires FORCING someone to hire them.
2. Would crush small and medium sized businesses that cannot afford to do that.
3. Wut?!? This is ridiculous. And who determines "decent"?
4. Hospitals do not reject emergencies and thus you already have that right. What you want is medical INSURANCE...you do not have a right to a service, nor should you.
5. We already have unemployment, sickness and accident protection comes via the paid service of health insurance...and old age? Stop abandoning your parents, kids. Family is supposed to take care of each other.
6. Or not. We have seen over the last 10 years how they are nothing more than indoctrination centers now...sure as fuck am not going to give up my money, to brainwash someone elses idiot child.



I love how "white people" is used as if all white people had it a specific way...There are almost as many poor white people in America today than there are black people, total...and the number grows the further back you go in time.

https://www.theroot.com/hey-media-white-people-are-poor-too-1790899158

1. Requires FORCING someone to hire them.

No it just means fostering an environment in which jobs are available and discrimination in hiring is not a thing.

2. Would crush small and medium sized businesses that cannot afford to do that.

If more people have more money then they have more money to spend on the goods and services provided by small businesses and then the small businesses will have more money to pay people more.





3. Wut?!? This is ridiculous. And who determines "decent"?

The people and the officials the people vote to serve them.

4. Hospitals do not reject emergencies and thus you already have that right. What you want is medical INSURANCE...you do not have a right to a service, nor should you.

Emergency care is not the same as medical care.

5. We already have unemployment, sickness and accident protection comes via the paid service of health insurance...and old age? Stop abandoning your parents, kids. Family is supposed to take care of each other.

We have it, but can't we do better?

6. Or not. We have seen over the last 10 years how they are nothing more than indoctrination centers now...sure as fuck am not going to give up my money, to brainwash someone elses idiot child.

That isn't true, but I'm not surprised you're against education.

 

[Gregolian]

1. Requires FORCING someone to hire them.

No it just means fostering an environment in which jobs are available and discrimination in hiring is not a thing.

There's an argument that some discrimination in hiring is needed.

You wouldn't hire some paper pushing accountant by training to be a firefighter for example.

 

[cincymma79]

Ok but lets ask WHY it was better, on average, for white people back then.

200 years of economic growth and technological advancements in "white" nations got them there...while the rest of the world stayed, for the most part, trapped in the past.

Thats centuries worth of white people undoing the natural state of life. Poverty. The vast majority of humanity has always been poor. White people slowly climbed out of it and recently in terms of history. Well, some of them did.

To say it is now a right, for everyone, or to use "averages" to compare to everyone else not having the same amount of stuff as white people is to ignore history and how we got here.

we removed the legal barriers very recently in historical terms. btw remember when everyone shared this video where jeff daniels said we should make america great again: