Discussion in 'Muay Thai and Kickboxing' started by nino, Nov 19, 2018.
As a Turk, my favorite kickboxer is definitely Gokhan Saki. Former glory and k1 champion and an overall nice guy
Hug and Aerts
English wikipedia top kickboxers by pageviews (2018):
1. Tenshin Nasukawa
2. Buakaw Banchamek
3. Badr Hari
4. Choi Hong-man
6. Rico Verhoeven
7. Yi Long
8. Joe Schilling
9. Nieky Holzken
10. Alex Pereira
11. Sitthichai Sitsongpeenong
12. John Wayne Parr
13. Hesdy Gerges
14. Gevorg Petrosyan
15. Yodsanklai Fairtex
16. Jamal Ben Saddik
17. Robin van Roosmalen
16. Liam Harrison
19. Kevin Ross
20. Andy Souwer
I'm a bit bias but I'd say the ones I discovered when I was a teen. Buakaw, Petrosyan, Andy Souwer... I think my favourite is probably Masato though. He benefits from being one of the only fighters where you can watch every fight he ever had - a lot of kickboxing bouts end up not being on film - so Masato's entire career being recorded and seeing him develop into one of the best ever is great.
who is the kick boxing goat
Ramon Dekkers best ever
Robin van roosmalen because he's shorter than me and is able to knock down people bigger than him. I also like sittichai because he has really good hands for a thai, and tyrone spong because he is a good boxer and kickboxer, who has a really good overhand.
At lightweight Giorgio Petrosyan - he beat every name in their prime save Masato (who he didn't get to fight) and Buakaw (who he drew with) - his sole recorded loss is Andy Ristie who ended up being a flash in the pan after leaving Lucien Carbin.
Below him it's really a tie between Masato and Buakaw (though some will throw in Andy Souwer too). There isn't really a clear cut best in kickboxing
At Heavyweight it's Semmy Schilt. There's a lot of love for Ernesto Hoost, Bonjasky, Aerts and many many more, but Schilt's the most accomplished having won every tournament he ever took part in.
Cikatic, Aerts, Hug
Ernesto hoost was a fighter that my old muay thai instructor (that was mostly a kickboxing instructor) referred me too. He was teaching us that 1-2-uppercut, and leg kick combo.
For me it's not just who you beat but how you beat them. And that's why IMO Buakaw was a level above Masato and Andy Souwer. I see Petrosyan and Buakaw as the best 2 at LW.
I agree with your pick, however Schilt didn't win every tournament he ever took part in, that's not true. Just out of memory in the 2010 K-1 tournament Peter managed to edge him in the semi final and went to fight Overeem in the final completely damaged. That's just on top of my head and there might be others. But yeah he's definitely the most accomplished anyway.
I can see where you're coming from with Schilt, however I do not think it is that simple.
Aerts has a winning record against Schilt (3-2), one less GP win than Hoost & Schilt (3) and he has held titles in Muay Thai and other Kickboxing styles; Hoost has a winning record against Aerts (4-2), ties Schilt in GP wins (4) and he holds titles over many styles of Kickboxing; Schilt has a winning record against Hoost (2 wins, 1 draw), ties him with GP wins (4) and hold titles in Karate.
The way I see it, it's basically a pick 'em between the three in a similar way the Four Kings of Boxing are/were.
Well technically Schilt won more tournaments in Glory. For instance the first Glory Heavyweight Grand Slam Tournament at Glory 4 Tokyo which was stacked like a K-1 tournament:
Schilt won that tournament beating fighters like Rico Verhoeven, Gokhan Saki and Daniel Ghita along the way, while Peter Aerts got KO'd in his first fight by Mourad Bouzidi.
If you consider K-1 results, dominance and Glory results, Semmy Schilt is above Aerts and Hoost in accomplishment.
4 x K-1 WGP champion, Glory Gland Slam champion, K-1 HW belt and Glory HW belt. He also has a winning ratio of 86%, while Aerts has a winning ratio of 74% and Ernesto Hoost a winning ratio of 82%.
Oops, I meant to reply to the user with the John Marston picture, sorry for quoting your post by accident.
That being said, there isn't really a counter argument I can give, you proved your point that Schilt wins by resume haha. I did not know that he performed so well in the Glory HW tourney though, for some reason I got it in my head that Schilt lost to Verhoeven. I even have a false memory of a Glory promo posturing up Rico as 'the man who's beaten the man'; I was way off.
I can't really disagree that on paper Schilt looks like the best, but I think in prime-for-prime matchups between Hoost, Aerts and Schilt, there would not be a clear "best"; of course, that's all just conjecture though.
Yeah, I think that's fair. I think Buakaw/Kraus/Masato/Souwer is a bit of a four kings situation. I'd say Masato and Buakaw would probably come out on top for me - but they're also my favourites of the two.
Ahh yeah you're quite right. I heard Ray Sefo say that in like the 2009 final and for some reason I thought that was his last one. So he won all but on tournament. Must be honest though it's that last Glory one where he is old and also not a particularly well man that cements him as the best for me - beating three absolute killer heavyweights in his final retirement tournament.
In fairness - I don't think it's a huuuuuge gap. I don't think Schilt was leagues above the rest. I do agree it was a bit of a rock paper scissors deal with those big guys - but I'd say Schilt ultimately proved himself to be the best. He's the one giant that actually managed to live up.
I don't think I could name anyone who hasn't been already, but I'll throw some Aussies in:
I also really like Charles Bongiovanni.
I say learn to check low kicks if schilling comes back lol
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