Economy Farmers receive billions in taxpayer dollar

[MicroBrew]

Why doesn't every small business or struggling business get a hand-out ? Why shouldn't my family business deserve a handout, we provide a valuable service to the community and taxes.

 

[iwannabeadored]

I refuse to go round and round like this. Conservatives have issue with the modern view of socialism, which is my tax dollars paying for your shit. Because I'm not OK with farms going under and people's lives being destroyed by a temporary, gov't created problem doesn't mean I'm a socialist in the modern sense. If you lost your job, I'd be fine with you getting some help for a while too. That doesn't mean you just gatcha'd me into some political ideology that I don't believe in. It means I'm not an asshole.
This is what I was saying about middle ground. Using a persons compassion for farmers and their potential ruin as a weapon to prove some hipster, douchebag point. Why can't we just agree that sometimes people need a hand up without being a fucking jerkoff about it?

Sounds like your complaining against modern day conservatives

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

ahoy MicroBrew,

i saw a farmer buying lobster...and also purchasing beer and cigarettes with their taxpayer welfare handout!

*shakes his fist at the sky*

- IGIT

I bet they were using Iphones and had gold-plated rims on their tractors too!!!!

 

[IGIT]

I bet they were using Iphones and had gold-plated rims on their tractors too!!!!

ahoy Sohei,

lol.

i'm waiting for the Republicans to demand that the farmers are first drug tested before receiving their welfare checks.

*muses*

i'll bet most farmers own big televisions and have air conditioning, too. why do they need these welfare checks anyway?

- IGIT

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

ahoy Sohei,

lol.

i'm waiting for the Republicans to demand that the farmers are first drug tested before receiving their welfare checks.

- IGIT

Well if its anything Murkans have taught us its that its only 'socialism' if people you dont like end up getting a handout.

 

[iwannabeadored]

lol that you'd like to see them fail as a gotcha to conservatives.

Like I said, I'm ok with people who contribute being temporarily kept afloat. Be it someone who lost their job at McDonalds or a scary conservative farmer. I'm not so OK with paying for your everything. This really isn't as confusing as you pretend it is.

so what you advocate for is a mixed economy. So when you talk about the evils of socialism and the pitfalls of it. You should equally talk about the problems with capitalism as well. In a true capitalistic society these farmers would starve

 

[7437]

Why doesn't ever small business or struggling business get a hand-out ? Why should my family business deserve a handout, we provide a valuable service to the community and taxes.

Why don't I deserve a handout? I provide a valuable service and pay taxes

 

[WTF2008]

If it's not a free market, then it's socialism. It's a binary choice and never the two shall meet.

Free market while foreign countries buy up American land and resources?
Pretty sure that wasn't allowed or accounted for in the "old days".

Most won't care until their Walmart or Amazon bill goes up a bit. Then all hell will break loose.

Exportation keeps local prices down due to our abundance of product we overcharge for to export. Once that stops?
If you had to pay actual prices to keep these places in business, you couldn't afford a 32" TV.

 

[Deleted member 457759]

A country needs it's own food supply, so I'm pro farming subsidies as climate and other disasters can jeopardize your yield.

Also, the Dems sold them out to China so economic deals can cripple them too.

I think some posters here are correct when they highlight that this money isnt going to family farms, this is corporate welfare.

I can't stand factory farming or corporate anything anymore. I'd like to see smaller local farms everywhere.

 

[usmctanker242]

I don't like subsidies as a general rule, but farm subsidies are the least objectionable. I suppose they could just not give them and we could all pay for it anyway through higher food prices instead, which would spread it evenly among everyone instead of the highest income earners/taxpayers paying disproportionately through subsidies to keep prices down.

I'm with you man...one of the last things we should do as a species is let the people who make our food go broke and die off. Farming is a tough business no matter how you slice it, and with meat and veggies being imported it's even more brutal.

 

[Clippy]

Awesome! Farmers make the world go round they deserve this and more!!

 

[44nutman]

I see the champagne socialist crew is being assembled in this thread

As a person that actually lived under it and as one that shits on you goofs. I have to say that if it has to be used...using it for farms that feed this country is aight

Good luck with the outrage on the karate forum

I see the usual corporate cawk suckers in here defending the redistribution of tax dollars to corporation. I find it funny after all your posts about growing up in communism that you support tax dollars supporting corporations, because that ain’t Capitalism either.
Ma and Pa kettle are leaving farming because they are going broke. Those subsidies are going to corporate farms, who give politicians a taste of my tax dollar funded corporate farm subsidies in the form of campaign donations. That is why 2019 and 2020 budgets are a trillion in the hole each year.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Awesome! Farmers make the world go round they deserve this and more!!

 

[IGIT]

Ma and Pa kettle are leaving farming because they are going broke.

hiya 44nutman,

i have a question. its a question that's been on my mind because so many posters seem insistent that small, family run farms must receive welfare subsidies.

why is that?

why must small, family farms be protected from competing with large agribusiness entities like Cargill or Tyson?

i don't get where this type of reasoning comes from. does it extend to all facets of American business? for example, must small, family run pharmacies be protected from CVS? should the town pharmacy receive a taxpayer subsidy?

if a small business cannot compete with a larger, more muscular business, shouldn't that small business be allowed to die a quiet death*?

- IGIT

* - antitrust laws would never factor in, of course. afterall, even if every "mom and pop family farm" goes under, there still would be no monopoly. the major players would be the ones left duking it out - along with some newer multinational interests who've entered the fray, like Walmart.

 

[AlexDB9]

I see the usual corporate cawk suckers in here defending the redistribution of tax dollars to corporation. I find it funny after all your posts about growing up in communism that you support tax dollars supporting corporations, because that ain’t Capitalism either.
Ma and Pa kettle are leaving farming because they are going broke. Those subsidies are going to corporate farms, who give politicians a taste of my tax dollar funded corporate farm subsidies in the form of campaign donations. That is why 2019 and 2020 budgets are a trillion in the hole each year.

Yeah......even the communists would turn a blind eye to “illegal foods” when shit hit the fan in my country. The people need to be fed otherwise there’s no revolution comrade. Life isn’t black and white, get off the internet and take a brisk walk outside, start thinking for yourself a bit

Btw If there was a deficit derangement disorder you’ve have it my friend. It’s all you talk about. Remember to check for the deficit under your bed and in your closet tonight

 

[IGIT]

Yeah......even the communists would turn a blind eye to “illegal foods” when shit hit the fan in my country. The people need to be fed otherwise there’s no revolution comrade. Life isn’t black and white, get off the internet and take a brisk walk outside, start thinking for yourself a bit

hi there ALexDB9, my old friend!

two things;

a) America needs food, so its a national security issue, aye? that's what being said, ad infinitum, on this thread, from those who support corporate welfare to US agribusiness. if this is true...if this is the case...shouldn't all this welfare that's being doled out be saved instead for some calamitous weather related event that decimates US farms?
afterall, at the moment the US is the top exporter of food in the world. we're #1! lol. its not like our farms have somehow lost the capacity to produce food to feed Americans. far from it. US farms are actually suffering from overproduction.
so why should all this corporate welfare continue?

b) America's top import is not food. its electrical machinery...computers...hardware...vehicles...pharmaceuticals. are these things not also critical national security? maybe these entities also deserve corporate welfare? since they're critical and all. aye?

- IGIT

 

[Strychnine]

Sounds like you're just making shit up to be edgy. I'm all for support for those in need. Glad to see where you stand.

Corporate factory farms aren't "in need" Sherbro.

 

[Strychnine]

Free market while foreign countries buy up American land and resources?
Pretty sure that wasn't allowed or accounted for in the "old days".

Most won't care until their Walmart or Amazon bill goes up a bit. Then all hell will break loose.

Exportation keeps local prices down due to our abundance of product we overcharge for to export. Once that stops?
If you had to pay actual prices to keep these places in business, you couldn't afford a 32" TV.

"If you don't want the Japanese people to buy it, then don't sell it to them."

- Mako from the movie "Rising Sun."

 

[Seano]

Corporate factory farms aren't "in need" Sherbro.

Neither are most people we're OK with giving handouts to.

I'll say again, I'd prefer to see people that contribute get the help they need.

 

[Strychnine]

Neither are most people we're OK with giving handouts to.

I'll say again, I'd prefer to see people that contribute get the help they need.

And I say that if your business fails then the free market has decided.