Crime Family of White man wrongfully accused by activist Shaun King in Jazmine Barnes' shooting speaks out

[Hard To Tell]

Imagine some MAGA hat wearing, confederate flag waving conservative repeatedly doxxing black people to falsely accuse of them of crimes they didn't commit.

 

[JDragon]

As for interracial violence generally, blacks disproportionately commit it.

Your post would have been much better just pointing out King's double standards without this bit. It's basically the same racial angle in reverse. Wasn't needed.

 

[S Class]

Horrible little man. Twitter needs to be shut down imo.

Not surprised they didn't even ban this wannabe black guy for spreading false info and getting a man arrested for a crime he didn't commit. That kind of thing is no laughing matter.

 

[FIMN]

Imagine some MAGA hat wearing, confederate flag waving conservative repeatedly doxxing black people to falsely accuse of them of crimes they didn't commit.

Like taking out a full page spread in a newspaper calling for the deaths of a group of people who turned out to be innocent?

 

[Hard To Tell]

Your post would have been much better just pointing out King's double standards without this bit. It's basically the same racial angle in reverse. Wasn't needed.

But it's not an angle, like the ones the media and the likes of King try to portray, it's a statement of fact. White people are WAY more likely to be murdered, robbed, raped or assaulted by black people than visa versa and the disparity is actually nothing short of staggering. Yet if you believed 99% of the mainstream media and people like King you would think the exact opposite to be true. Which is why they were so quick to jump all over this story before the facts came out. If this had been a little white girl murdered by a black man it would have barely got a mention and someone like King would have simply ignored it all together. So comments like that are needed as they are very much relevant to the discussion. Not everyone wants to ignore reality.

 

[TheGreatA]

King is an old school American con artist.

 

[DC23]

When you see Shaun King tweeting bullshit.

 

[JDragon]

But it's not an angle, like the ones the media and the likes of King try to portray, it's a statement of fact. White people are WAY more likely to be murdered, robbed, raped or assaulted by black people than visa versa and the disparity is actually nothing short of staggering. Yet if you believed 99% of the mainstream media and people like King you would think the exact opposite to be true. Which is why they were so quick to jump all over this story before the facts came out. If this had been a little white girl murdered by a black man it would have barely got a mention and someone like King would have simply ignored it all together. So comments like that are needed as they are very much relevant to the discussion. Not everyone wants to ignore reality.

My point is that while cultural elements (like black / ghetto subculture) will certainly have an impact, I simply don't believe in race as a helpful construct. In most cases, cross-racial attacks will not be motivated by racial hatred but by much simpler motives (e.g. robbieries will usually be triggered by the desire to have something that you don't have and then identifying a target you believe has that).

If you correct for demographic and economic factors, you may still have a disparity (I am not aware of the US figures), but the majority of the difference will likely be driven by poverty and social surroundings rather than race.

Threrefore my point is, the correct answer would be to say "Oh ffs get out with that race baiting" instead of "Ha, Blacks do it worse!"

 

[TheGreatA]

My point is that while cultural elements (like black / ghetto subculture) will certainly have an impact, I simply don't believe in race as a helpful construct. In most cases, cross-racial attacks will not be motivated by racial hatred but by much simpler motives (e.g. robbieries will usually be triggered by the desire to have something that you don't have and then identifying a target you believe has that).

If you correct for demographic and economic factors, you may still have a disparity (I am not aware of the US figures), but the majority of the difference will likely be driven by poverty and social surroundings rather than race.

Threrefore my point is, the correct answer would be to say "Oh ffs get out with that race baiting" instead of "Ha, Blacks do it worse!"

Regardless of whether economic or cultural factors are at play, rather than racial ones, it still won't help anybody to not acknowledge a problem when there is one.

There was a time when Finnish people were quite infamous for being drunkards and hostile against one another, leading to elevated violence between Finns. A Finn in other Nordic countries would have been disproportionately prone to using violence, and Finn minorities came to be somewhat infamous over it. In late 19th century there were racial "studies" which explained this phenomenon by claiming Finns to be of Asiatic rather than European origin, possessing Eastern "warrior genes" comparable to the Mongols. Finns had been used as mercenary fodder for foreign armies, due to their perceived brutish nature, since forever, by Czars and Swedish kings. A self-criticism of Finnish culture and customs was necessary to see any changes made.

African-Americans are not going to solve their difficulties by projecting all of their problems to be the result of "outside interference", even if in some cases their roots may lie in outside factors. As an example, again, Finnish people were largely serfs for Czars, which certainly led to harmful cultural elements such as excessive drinking and violence, to get over a tough, ungrateful day at work, with no future prospects beyond cultivating someone else's land, and no independent government to look after you. But once the Czar was gone, there was no excuse anymore to uphold the levels of violence and drunkenness, which continued for nearly a century after.

Regardless of where the problems have resulted from, be it slavery or segregation, blacks in America now possess the means with which to solve those problems, provided that there is a will within the community. However, I do believe that they will always be held back by not possessing their own government, rather having to share it with other interest groups that may not necessarily share all of their problems. The multi-cultural model, in my opinion, will always result in a flimsy compromise rather than the optimal solution for each group.

Nobody, in early 19th century, could have predicted that Finns would form an effective government that could last a hundred years, after hundreds of years of servitude under Russians and Swedes. Likewise, the odds are stacked against African-Americans because of the perceptions about their inability to govern. That's something they can only address by being more critical of themselves than anyone else is capable of, something that has served the Finns well in their attempt to become self-governable. Their critical, and even at times cynical nature, allowed them to analyze all of their flaws and address them.

 

[Brazilian HKD]

Regardless of whether economic or cultural factors are at play, rather than racial ones, it still won't help anybody to not acknowledge a problem when there is one.

There was a time when Finnish people were quite infamous for being drunkards and hostile against one another, leading to elevated violence between Finns. A Finn in other Nordic countries would have been disproportionately prone to using violence, and Finn minorities came to be somewhat infamous over it. In late 19th century there were racial "studies" which explained this phenomenon by claiming Finns to be of Asiatic rather than European origin, possessing Eastern "warrior genes" comparable to the Mongols. Finns had been used as mercenary fodder for foreign armies, due to their perceived brutish nature, since forever, by Czars and Swedish kings. A self-criticism of Finnish culture and customs was necessary to see any changes made.

African-Americans are not going to solve their difficulties by projecting all of their problems to be the result of "outside interference", even if in some cases their roots may lie in outside factors. As an example, again, Finnish people were largely serfs for Czars, which certainly led to harmful cultural elements such as excessive drinking and violence, to get over a tough, ungrateful day at work, with no future prospects beyond cultivating someone else's land, and no independent government to look after you. But once the Czar was gone, there was no excuse anymore to uphold the levels of violence and drunkenness, which continued for nearly a century after.

Regardless of where the problems have resulted from, be it slavery or segregation, blacks in America now possess the means with which to solve those problems, provided that there is a will within the community. However, I do believe that they will always be held back by not possessing their own government, rather having to share it with other interest groups that may not necessarily share all of their problems.

Nobody, in early 19th century, could have predicted that Finns would form an effective government that could last a hundred years, after hundreds of years of servitude under Russians and Swedes. Likewise, the odds are stacked against African-Americans because of the perceptions about their inability to govern. That's something they can only address by being more critical of themselves than anyone else is capable of, something that has served the Finns well in their attempt to become self-governable. Their critical, and even at times cynical nature, allowed them to analyze all of their flaws and address them.

Interesting comparison. We tend to forget that ,before the civil war, Liberia was actually pretty sucessful.

 

[TheGreatA]

Interesting comparison. We tend to forget that ,before the civil war, Liberia was actually pretty sucessful.

There was probably never any hope for Liberia because it would have been comparable to taking the Finns out of serfdom and suddenly installing them as leaders of a government. That is not really how the process should go down. You need, ultimately, educated men to be in control of the process, not the peasantry with simple solutions to complex problems (often resulting in violence as the answer). And the process of education can be long and cruel, as it certainly was for the Finns.

There was a Civil War in Finland too, and I shudder to think what would have happened to the country if the "Reds" had won, largely represented by poor workers drawn in by socialist ideas, with extremely ignorant visions of how a socialist country ought to be run. That the so-called "bourgeois" class won the war, was probably a boon to Finnish society, as it allowed the country to adopt a capitalist model rather than socialist model as its foundation, drawing inspiration from the West rather than the East (which at that time was represented by USSR).

In Finnish government, even after its independence, Swede ex-aristocrats held power for a long time, and it was probably necessary since they were best fit to govern. Once Finns became more educated, their presence became greater in governmental affairs, to where the presence of Swedes is pretty minimal nowadays.

 

[DespicablePeep]

I mean besides Microbrew...

He is Microbrew

 

[Headkicktoleg]

He is Microbrew

MicroNPC

 

[JDragon]

Regardless of whether economic or cultural factors are at play, rather than racial ones, it still won't help anybody to not acknowledge a problem when there is one.

There was a time when Finnish people were quite infamous for being drunkards and hostile against one another, leading to elevated violence between Finns. A Finn in other Nordic countries would have been disproportionately prone to using violence, and Finn minorities came to be somewhat infamous over it. In late 19th century there were racial "studies" which explained this phenomenon by claiming Finns to be of Asiatic rather than European origin, possessing Eastern "warrior genes" comparable to the Mongols. Finns had been used as mercenary fodder for foreign armies, due to their perceived brutish nature, since forever, by Czars and Swedish kings. A self-criticism of Finnish culture and customs was necessary to see any changes made.

African-Americans are not going to solve their difficulties by projecting all of their problems to be the result of "outside interference", even if in some cases their roots may lie in outside factors. As an example, again, Finnish people were largely serfs for Czars, which certainly led to harmful cultural elements such as excessive drinking and violence, to get over a tough, ungrateful day at work, with no future prospects beyond cultivating someone else's land, and no independent government to look after you. But once the Czar was gone, there was no excuse anymore to uphold the levels of violence and drunkenness, which continued for nearly a century after.

Regardless of where the problems have resulted from, be it slavery or segregation, blacks in America now possess the means with which to solve those problems, provided that there is a will within the community. However, I do believe that they will always be held back by not possessing their own government, rather having to share it with other interest groups that may not necessarily share all of their problems. The multi-cultural model, in my opinion, will always result in a flimsy compromise rather than the optimal solution for each group.

Nobody, in early 19th century, could have predicted that Finns would form an effective government that could last a hundred years, after hundreds of years of servitude under Russians and Swedes. Likewise, the odds are stacked against African-Americans because of the perceptions about their inability to govern. That's something they can only address by being more critical of themselves than anyone else is capable of, something that has served the Finns well in their attempt to become self-governable. Their critical, and even at times cynical nature, allowed them to analyze all of their flaws and address them.

Interesting comparison. Unfortunately I have no time to respond appropriately.

Just one thought for now: the obvious response would likely be that the ''Tsar is not gone" in America.

 

[TheGreatA]

Interesting comparison. Unfortunately I have no time to respond appropriately.

Just one thought for now: the obvious response would likely be that the ''Tsar is not gone" in America.

The Czar was gone most definitely by the time a man of African origin became the President of America.

We can try to spin it in any way that we want to, but they had 8 years of government very sympathetic to their plights, and there wasn't too much improvement at the end of the day.

Even Trump does try to address some of African-American's concerns, in his own way, despite obviously being woefully ignorant of their struggles, and has apparently done a decent job with black employment.


However, amongst all this negativity, it does seem like the black life span is skyrocketing in America, whereas "white" life span has actually come down due to drug abuse, so it's not all bleak, despite the gang violence. Things are improving, just not at the rate that some people may expect them to.

 

[JDragon]

The Czar was gone most definitely by the time a man of African origin became the President of America.

We can try to spin it in any way that we want to, but they had 8 years of government very sympathetic to their plights, and there wasn't too much improvement at the end of the day.

Even Trump does try to address some of African-American's concerns, in his own way, despite obviously being woefully ignorant of their struggles, and has apparently done a decent job with black employment.


However, amongst all this negativity, it does seem like the black life span is skyrocketing in America, whereas "white" life span has actually come down due to drug abuse, so it's not all bleak, despite the gang violence. Things are improving, just not at the rate that some people may expect them to.

At the end of the day, the question still is: are these things happening because the perpetrators are black? Or because they are poor?

And if it is the latter: are they poor because they are black?

My gut feeling (again, I have not read studies on the topic) is that the majority of black crime is likely explained by wealth disparities. The interesting question, if that holds true, is whether this is fate (i.e. they are poor and cannot do anything about it) or not. And here I am leaning towards the latter. I firmly believe that black kids whose parents stress the importance of education do not need to stay poor.

 

[TheGreatA]

At the end of the day, the question still is: are these things happening because the perpetrators are black? Or because they are poor?

And if it is the latter: are they poor because they are black?

My gut feeling (again, I have not read studies on the topic) is that the majority of black crime is likely explained by wealth disparities. The interesting question, if that holds true, is whether this is fate (i.e. they are poor and cannot do anything about it) or not. And here I am leaning towards the latter. I firmly believe that black kids whose parents stress the importance of education do not need to stay poor.

It happens because they are poor blacks, just like what happened with Finns is because they were poor Finns. A poor Swede did not act the same as a poor Finn at that time, there was a cultural and arguably even an ethnic element that could be attributed to the disproportionate violence prevalent in Finns at that time.

It has even been researched that Finnish people carry "genes" which make them react very violently to drunkenness, perhaps due to being conditioned to do battle under the influence of alcohol, as may have been the case in previous times when Finns served as mercenaries. So that is an ethnic component that is unquestionably a result of ethnicity rather than just their poor living conditions, a unique gene that they carry that other groups of people may not, because of their different genetic component.

Now, all of that can be addressed by a culture of non-drinking, or drinking in moderation. Just like black Americans can resolve many of their problems with a culture of not glorifying violence or gang membership of any sort. A greater capacity for violence can be addressed with a stronger resolve against its use. An alcoholic's son is best fit to be an absolutist.

There are a bunch of genetic conditions that Finns are uniquely subjected to, that can only be resolved amongst themselves, through their own governing. That is why self-government, I believe, is necessary. The EU or a "global government" would not pay any particular heed to the unique circumstances of Finns, believing, falsely, that each group have the same traits and attributes, which they do not, as we know through science.

Economic improvement alone did not resolve all of Finland's problems. It was the capacity to focus on Finnish people's unique qualities, their strengths and weaknesses, and making the best out of what we had, that allowed us to prosper. I'm quite certain that we would have never prospered if we were treated as just another group of "European whites", made a part of the "grey mass" under the modern falsehood of "sameness".

If a group of people do possess these sorts of traits, such as being more violent, they do not need to down-play it, nor do they need to feel shame over it. It is just a part of who they are. They can be in complete control over such qualities, and even turn them to strengths, as long as they acknowledge their existence. My family history includes a lot of violence and drunkenness yet I have never needed to maim anyone or drink myself to a stupor as most of my forefathers have. That is because I have acknowledged the problems as they exist, without trying to run away from them.

 

[jamel]

Dude is consistently wrong yet consistently makes calls to action.

Dont nothing scream Agent Provocateur louder than that shit.

 

[Arqueto]

Talcum X at it again

 

[drstrangelov]

Eventually he’s gonna get sued and become too much of a liability to his employers to keep him around. As a twitter personality, he’ll retain followers as long as he says the stuff his followers want to to hear, and he’s good at that.

The whole transracial thing makes me a little uncomfortable and lying about his father makes it worse. You know of this dude was stuck somewhere for a few weeks without access to hair dye or his hair clippers he would look like John Cena without the muscles.