Failure to make weight & PED fines?

Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by MMA made EASY, Jul 25, 2016.

  1. MMA made EASY

    MMA made EASY Green Belt

    Joined:
    May 25, 2012
    Messages:
    994
    Likes Received:
    36
    Currently, if a fighter fails to make weight, the other fighter can opt to still fight them at a size disadvantage for a percentage of their purse.

    What are your thoughts on a similar stance for PED detection? (pre & post detection)

    In this situation, Hunt would be given a large portion of Brock's purse, and DC would have been given the option to fight Jones for a large portion of his purse.
     
    jluc likes this.
  2. jluc

    jluc Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2014
    Messages:
    816
    Likes Received:
    241
    Location:
    Brasil
    Agreed, that's much more reasonable.
     
    Fahcough likes this.
  3. camelfarmer1

    camelfarmer1 Green Belt

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2016
    Messages:
    1,300
    Likes Received:
    1,364
    Location:
    Bristol, UK
    Someone listened to firas on the you tubes?

    I agree though. If you get caught but the fight is already scheduled, you get to fight and the opponent gets 50% of your money and it's called a no contest. The opponent also gets the win bonus regardless. And you get banned for 2-3 years. It's basically your last chance to make a little money and the opponent doesn't lose the pay. This is perfect for guys getting caught post fight.

    If the guy was caugh pre-fight, I would rather the fight was cancelled and the guy not caught gets his full pay including win bonus and doesn't have to risk the injuries from a fight with a cheater.
     
  4. Verace

    Verace Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2015
    Messages:
    17,978
    Likes Received:
    74,153
    <mma4>

    It wouldnt be much of an option though... i mean, who wouldnt? Only someone who "sympathizes" with it. not a good look.
     
  5. Fahcough

    Fahcough Red Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2015
    Messages:
    8,941
    Likes Received:
    21,623
    Location:
    2020 Poster of the Year *verified
    Do they still get suspended? Some would give up 50% of winnings to fight on the sauce if they kept their job.
     
    jluc, Verace and Darwinambrosius like this.
  6. Verace

    Verace Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2015
    Messages:
    17,978
    Likes Received:
    74,153
    If not motherfuckers would be fighting for free until they reached a title shot. :)
     
    Fahcough likes this.
  7. Darwinambrosius

    Darwinambrosius Thought you had a friend, boy?

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2015
    Messages:
    6,965
    Likes Received:
    8,333
    I guess they would still get the suspension, but the idea wouldn't really curb ped use.
     
  8. beephin

    beephin Black Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2013
    Messages:
    6,398
    Likes Received:
    28,237
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    Don't think it would happen just cause if Jones would have won had Cormier agreed to fight him, the fight would still be a No Contest.
     
  9. MMA made EASY

    MMA made EASY Green Belt

    Joined:
    May 25, 2012
    Messages:
    994
    Likes Received:
    36
    Now I have. I like his point about criminal assault charges as well.

    Great question - I think if this rule was put in place there wouldn't be suspensions... it'd basically be a way of creating the "steroid league"... hell, they might even add it to the "advantages/disadvantages" breakdowns.

    "I hear he's been juicing like crazy bob, to get the edge in stamina - he's hoping that it'll be an investment for a title shot where the big bucks are made..."
     
  10. MMA made EASY

    MMA made EASY Green Belt

    Joined:
    May 25, 2012
    Messages:
    994
    Likes Received:
    36
    Well, not with this rule - with this rule, he'd be accepting the risk (just like the overweight opponent)
     
    jluc likes this.
  11. MMA made EASY

    MMA made EASY Green Belt

    Joined:
    May 25, 2012
    Messages:
    994
    Likes Received:
    36
    Hm... I don't know - fighting Jon Jones would be scary enough - fighting a juiced one... DC would get a huge "up" in his popularity for choosing to challenge that particular bull.
     
  12. beephin

    beephin Black Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2013
    Messages:
    6,398
    Likes Received:
    28,237
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    Just don't think that's a good look for the UFC to knowingly allow fighters that are cheating to compete in the cage.

    Can't see it happening.
     
  13. MMA made EASY

    MMA made EASY Green Belt

    Joined:
    May 25, 2012
    Messages:
    994
    Likes Received:
    36
    Reference 1: Mark Hunt
     
  14. MMA made EASY

    MMA made EASY Green Belt

    Joined:
    May 25, 2012
    Messages:
    994
    Likes Received:
    36
    Reference 2: Firas
     
  15. MMA made EASY

    MMA made EASY Green Belt

    Joined:
    May 25, 2012
    Messages:
    994
    Likes Received:
    36
    Maybe with the new owners - they might figure "meh, all our star attractions were juicing... we want star attractions, and we don't want events cancelled at the last minute, so...
     
  16. LongTermLurker

    LongTermLurker "Et tu, Brute?" Platinum Member

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2011
    Messages:
    17,553
    Likes Received:
    3,691
    Location:
    NY
    If caught before it would be likely the commission wouldn't allow the fight even if the fighter wanted it.
     
    FreddyFingers likes this.
  17. MMA made EASY

    MMA made EASY Green Belt

    Joined:
    May 25, 2012
    Messages:
    994
    Likes Received:
    36
    Hm. Fair point.
     
    FreddyFingers likes this.
  18. FreddyFingers

    FreddyFingers Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2016
    Messages:
    1,337
    Likes Received:
    1,021
    You test positive you get suspended.

    You test positive you don't fight.

    People that test positive won't be allowed to fight, period.

    It's a saftey issue far as their concerned.
    The sport will survive, people will be caught.
    People will continue to cheat.

    It might get to the point though that "testing positive" could be career ending in a way.

    Sponsors, UFC not going to invest in you.

    This possible 2 year suspension for Jones is almost career ending, getting suspended 2 years in your prime with no pay is time that you can't get back.

    Meanwhile life goes on.
     
  19. Zefram Cochrane

    Zefram Cochrane Follow me on Pictogram

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2015
    Messages:
    10,078
    Likes Received:
    17,191
    Location:
    Bozeman, Montana.
    If results only come after then it still needs to be overturned. If it comes pre and opponent opts to fight then the result stands, I guess.

    But that will never happen, it would be basically like legalizing peds. Everybody will do it just like everybody cuts weight, because if you don't your opponent certainly will.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.