Face It UFCBT: Nick Diaz is a bigger draw than Ronda Rousey

[rjmbrd]

how is Nick a bigger draw now? all he has done is lose and not fight.

He was the co-headliner of one of the biggest PPV cards in years. He's also wildly covered in the MMA media and love him or hate him, he's never ignored.

 

[NickDiaz209Fan]

lol, the retired fighter is going to do 7 figures the moment he comes back? Says the people with Diaz avatars? Why can't you people just let the man retire in peace? Find another weed addict to idolize or something.

The fact that you're pulling a Cyborg by attaching his name to Ronda just makes this sadder.

Ronda didn't have any problem attaching her name to the Diaz brothers. Even Dana attached her name to the Diaz brothers over and over again.

Since Ronda has become a superstar, when have you ever seen training with the 209 or giving a shout out to the Diaz brothers. I'm starting to dislike her because of this.

 

[Red Triangle]

Diaz commands the PPV numbers...

and the over all respect of the MMA community.

 

[7437]

He was the co-headliner of one of the biggest PPV cards in years. He's also wildly covered in the MMA media and love him or hate him, he's never ignored.

everyone who fights GSP co headlines a huge card. he us widely covered though. no one knows if that would help now though, he has always been widely covered. it doesn't always sell.

 

[taedium]

*delete*

 

[riddleofsteel]

I don't know whats worse, me responding to your post or you being a member of this forum since 2002 and still have no idea how the MMA world works.

Oh, please enlighten us all nickdiazfan #209.
If Diaz was so popular then why not sign with a company that would give him a larger cut of the PPV pie, give him that Mayweather money. After all, you all are saying he is such a huge draw. If he is such a big draw then people would watch him without the UFC banner.

 

[rjmbrd]

everyone who fights GSP co headlines a huge card. he us widely covered though. no one knows if that would help now though, he has always been widely covered. it doesn't always sell.

Thats not true, and I am too lazy to pull the numbers, but Diaz did notably better than his peers, including the current champ.

 

[7437]

Thats not true, and I am too lazy to pull the numbers, but Diaz did notably better than his peers, including the current champ.

true. and his non-gsp cards do terribly

 

[rjmbrd]

true. and his non-gsp cards do terribly

My point was in an apples-to-apples comparison, he did better than his peers when matched up with Georges. We don't have to guess because its just data, and that is what the data says.

Our interaction started with me saying his bad numbers were his first fight in the UFC (in years) and was a card that imploded losing both the title fight and Carlos Condit as well. Major vacuum.

Since he hasn't fought since losing to GSP and the fantastical numbers he pulled down, we don't really know what the windfall was from all that exposure. We'll only know if he fights again, which, I honestly find unlikely.

 

[RenoBJJr]

I can't find my post that shut all the Nick haters up last time so I guess I'll have to get all the information again.

Give me a second.

 

[Hawkman3111]

Ronda will be a much better draw when she has some competition.

Ronda vs Cyborg would probably break records (meh, cant believe I brought up Cyborg)

 

[RenoBJJr]

Let's start off with the PPV buy rate everyone loves to discredit.

03/16/2013 UFC 158 GSP vs Diaz 950,000

11/16/2013 UFC 167 GSP vs Hendricks 630,000
11/17/2012 UFC 154 GSP vs. Condit 700,000
04/30/2011 UFC 129 GSP vs. Shields 800,000
12/11/2010 UFC 124 GSP vs. Koscheck 785,000
03/27/2010 UFC 111 GSP vs. Hardy 770,000
08/09/08 UFC 87 GSP / Lesnar 625,000

BUT BUT GSP WAS ON DA CARD!!! It is a coincidence that Nick vs GSP was easily GSP highest buyrate PPV he's had besides UFC 100? UFC 87 had Lesnar AND GSP on the card and Nick/GSP demolished those numbers.

Now let me point out the weak ass cards Nick was put on compared to others.
02/04/2012 UFC 143 Condit vs. Diaz 400,000

04/26/2014 UFC 172 Jones vs Teixeira 350,000
02/22/2014 UFC 170 Rousey vs McMann 340,000
03/15/2014 UFC 171 Hendricks vs Lawler 300,000
02/01/2014 UFC 169 Barao vs Faber II 230,000
09/21/2013 UFC 165 Jones vs Gustafsson 310,000
10/19/2013 UFC 166 Velasquez vs JDS III 330,000
08/31/2013 UFC 164 Henderson vs Pettis 270,000
08/03/2013 UFC 163 Aldo vs Jung 180,000
05/25/2013 UFC 160 Velasquez vs Bigfoot II 380,000
06/15/2013 UFC 161 Henderson vs Evans 140,000
02/02/2013 UFC 156 Aldo vs Edgar 330,000
07/21/2012 UFC 149 Faber vs. Barao 230,000
08/11/2012 UFC 150 Henderson v. Edgar II 190,000
06/23/2012 UFC 147 W. Silva vs. Franklin II 140,000
02/26/2012 UFC 144 Edgar vs. Henderson 325,000
01/14/2012 UFC 142 Aldo vs Mendes 215,000
11/19/2011 UFC 139 Henderson vs. Rua 290,000
10/08/2011 UFC 136 Edgar vs. Maynard III 225,000
07/02/2011 UFC 132 Cruz vs. Faber 320,000
08/06/2011 UFC 133 Evans vs. Ortiz 310,000
08/27/2011 UFC 134 Silva vs. Okami 335,000
05/28/2011 UFC 130 Rampage vs. Hamill 325,000
06/11/2011 UFC 131 Dos Santos vs. Carwin 330,000
02/27/2011 UFC 127 Penn vs. Fitch 260,000
01/01/2011 UFC 125 Edgar vs. Maynard II 260,000


Well by sherdogs standards Jones and Ronda aren't draws. I guess by the looks of this list nobody is a draw besides GSP and Lesnar according to sherdog. Not to mention Condit vs Diaz was a weak ass card compared to most of these cards.

 

[FlyingKimurabar]

ok lets face facts. UFC 137 vs UFC 170 two cards decimated by injuries

Nick Diaz headlined UFC 137 against a very well known legend in BJ Penn 280,000 buys

Ronda Rousey headlined UFC 170 against a little known and quiet Olympic Medalist 340,000 buys

Basically the truth.

Condit vs Diaz did like 400k but that was because almost everyone expected that to be the greatest fight of all time.

 

[FlyingKimurabar]

Let's start off with the PPV buy rate everyone loves to discredit.


BUT BUT GSP WAS ON DA CARD!!! It is a coincidence that Nick vs GSP was easily GSP highest buyrate PPV he's had besides UFC 100? UFC 87 had Lesnar AND GSP on the card and Nick/GSP demolished those numbers.

That's because GSP was the good guy and Nick the bad guy and everyone wanted to see GSP beat Nick Diaz ass. It was a very specific role for him.

That does not making him a star. I mean Diaz vs Lawler or Diaz vs Brown or Diaz vs Rory doesn't break 300k. Not even close.

 

[RenoBJJr]

That's because GSP was the good guy and Nick the bad guy and everyone wanted to see GSP beat Nick Diaz ass. It was a very specific role for him.

That does not making him a star. I mean Diaz vs Lawler or Diaz vs Brown or Diaz vs Rory doesn't break 300k. Not even close.

I just gave a whole list of evidence and you give me nothing but bullshit speculation.

Sigh. At the end of the day Nick biggest PPV headlining buyrate was GSP but GSP biggest PPV headlining buyrate was also Nick, by a large margin.

Keep using speculation with absolutely no evidence to back up those theories though, I'm sure that will get you far.

 

[Jblizzle]

I just gave a whole list of evidence and you give me nothing but bullshit speculation.

Sigh. At the end of the day Nick biggest PPV headlining buyrate was GSP but GSP biggest PPV headlining buyrate was also Nick, by a large margin.

Keep using speculation with absolutely no evidence to back up those theories though, I'm sure that will get you far.

I'm not trying to say nick isn't a decent draw, but lets not pretend That GSP vs Nick Diaz didn't have nearly two years worth of build up leading up to that fight

Fact is that we might never know how much the lead up to that fight helped him as a ppv draw because he rage quit after he lost that fight.

 

[RenoBJJr]

I'm not trying to say nick isn't a decent draw, but lets not pretend That GSP vs Nick Diaz didn't have nearly two years worth of build up leading up to that fight

Nick/GSP did better than Penn/GSP 2.

You guys done with the excuses?

 

[Jblizzle]

Nick/GSP did better than Penn/GSP 2.

You guys done with the excuses?

lol, what excuses?

Bj Penn vs Nick Diaz 280,000 buys

Gsp vs Bj Penn 920,000

Gsp vs Nick Diaz 950,00

lol I mean I said nick is a decent draw what the fuck do you expect me to say? That a guy coming off two loses and that's been retired more than a year is a Bigger draw than a very active undefeated former Olympian UFC Champion? :icon_lol:

 

[RenoBJJr]

lol, what excuses?

Bj Penn vs Nick Diaz 280,000 buys

Gsp vs Bj Penn 920,000

Gsp vs Nick Diaz 950,00

lol I mean I said nick is a decent draw what the fuck do you expect me to say? That a guy coming off two loses and that's been retired more than a year is a Bigger draw than a very active undefeated former Olympian UFC Champion? :icon_lol:

The excuse you just gave buddy. " 2 YEAR BUILD UP MAN!"

I expect you to get that blind hate out of your eyes because if Nick isn't a draw then nobody besides GSP and Lesnar is. Ignore the very long list of evidence I gave earlier though. That's all you can do because numbers don't lie.

PS. I'm not comparing Ronda and Nick, comprehension is key.

 

[Jblizzle]

The excuse you just gave buddy. " 2 YEAR BUILD UP MAN!"

I expect you to get that blind hate out of your eyes because if Nick isn't a draw then nobody besides GSP and Lesnar is. Ignore the very long list of evidence I gave earlier though. That's all you can do because numbers don't lie.

PS. I'm not comparing Ronda and Nick, comprehension is key.

Dude take your own advice and read my posts again because this is the 3rd time that I say that NICK DIAZ IS A DECENT DRAW

I'm not trying to say nick isn't a decent draw, but lets not pretend That GSP vs Nick Diaz didn't have nearly two years worth of build up leading up to that fight

Fact is that we might never know how much the lead up to that fight helped him as a ppv draw because he rage quit after he lost that fight.

lol I mean I said nick is a decent draw what the fuck do you expect me to say? That a guy coming off two loses and that's been retired more than a year is a Bigger draw than a very active undefeated former Olympian UFC Champion? :icon_lol:

And the two year build up is not an excuse it's fact.

btw I'm a big Nick Diaz. I'm just not a blind nut hugger