Crime Extremism in America!

[ChosenOne]

Because it's a garbage narrative, ignoring the real issues cities are facing

'STOP TALKING ABOUT COLON CANCER AND RISK TO MALES AS HEART DISEASE EXISTS AND IS A BIGGER THREAT'.

/StupidityOfTheRight

 

[ChosenOne]

I think the point he's making is that if you are worried about people murdering each other, why is the OP worried about the <1% of murders rather than the other >99%? If you completely removed white supremacist murders somehow you would barely change the landscape of people being killed in America.

The ADL are fear mongering like they always have done and they are complete hypocrites. The same exact issues that they say are racist and white supremacist in America are somehow always fine when the country in question is instead Israel. How anyone could take them seriously is beyond me.

'STOP TRYING TO TREAT AND CURE ALL DISEASES THAT ONLY KILL LESS THEN 10% OF THE POPULATION.

SOLE FOCUS TO TREAT AND CURE SHOULD BE ON THE ONES THAT KILL 90% OR MORE BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU CURE THE 10% YOU ARE NOT REALLY MOVING THE NEEDLE.'

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The above arguments being pushed are amongst the dumbest on the planet.

No health system, no legal system, no corporation operates that way as if not addressing the smaller issues should be the path the success, with a sole focus on only the biggest issues being the way.

It is simply a dumb narrative pushed by people who are not smart.

 

[Horiguchi'sEar]

I stopped reading at ADL

 

[ChosenOne]

I stopped reading at ADL

Perfect. No one expected any positive contribution from you to begin with. So thanks for saving us the spam.

 

[Scheme]

'STOP TRYING TO TREAT AND CURE ALL DISEASES THAT ONLY KILL LESS THEN 10% OF THE POPULATION.

SOLE FOCUS TO TREAT AND CURE SHOULD BE ON THE ONES THAT KILL 90% OR MORE BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU CURE THE 10% YOU ARE NOT REALLY MOVING THE NEEDLE.'

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The above arguments being pushed are amongst the dumbest on the planet.

No health system, no legal system, no corporation operates that way as if not addressing the smaller issues should be the path the success, with a sole focus on only the biggest issues being the way.

It is simply a dumb narrative pushed by people who are not smart.

The FBI already try to stop it. The fact that they are hyper fixated on such a small number calling it the greatest domestic threat to our nation is complete fearmongering. More people die in a few weekends in Chicago. It's like saying shark attacks are the biggest threat to America because they kill 4 Americans a year. Do you not see this as basic fearmongering propaganda?

And yes, you should fixated on curing the most popular diseases. That's actually exactly what happens. Diseases that affect one in a billion people do not get the same attention as ones that affect one in a hundred. Perhaps instead of writing a reddit-esque monologue you tried to think about it for a second you would've realized that and the logic behind it. Did you miss the whole COVID-19 thing that happened recently?

 

[Confucamus]

Is that what you think the FBI and Homeland are doing when they identify right wing extremism as the biggest risk and growing risk?

They are just deliberately not labeling a similar risk from the "left wing" as crimes?

Yes. This is the same place we got the "93%" peaceful talking point for when BLM and Antifa terrorized America in 2020.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

I think it's hard to categorise what is an "extremism murder" but I think people are lying to themselves if they deny that these groups aren't a massive threat

 

[ChosenOne]

The FBI already try to stop it. The fact that they are hyper fixated on such a small number calling it the greatest domestic threat to our nation is complete fearmongering. More people die in a few weekends in Chicago. It's like saying shark attacks are the biggest threat to America because they kill 4 Americans a year. Do you not see this as basic fearmongering propaganda?

And yes, you should fixated on curing the most popular diseases. That's actually exactly what happens. Diseases that affect one in a billion people do not get the same attention as ones that affect one in a hundred. Perhaps instead of writing a reddit-esque monologue you tried to think about it for a second you would've realized that and the logic behind it. Did you miss the whole COVID-19 thing that happened recently?

So you are against the FBI also targeting Terrorism and especially muslim terrorism as even smaller risks, in America?

And there is no evidence they are hyper fixated on it, just because they report it. That is your narrative. You keep pushing 'fixated' because they report stats. I see stats on lesser diseases and don't complain saying they should only publish the stats on heart disease because it kills more.

Andi again see your post as naive and foolish, as it is local police who focus on the people dying in Chicago or in Jim Jordans and Kevin McCarthys districts. That is not the FBI purpose. So do you think America should just not have ANY POLICING AGENCY focusing on terrorism?

Do you think when a 9/11 happens or the Ted Kaczynski, Unabomber attack, or the Timothy McVeigh Oklahoma bombing happens, most Americans would accept the FBI saying 'we do nothing to try and prevent those as Chicago is worse'.

I ask that seriously as you really seem to be pushing this 'nothing should be done about statistically smaller actions that are a rounding error on deaths compared to worse things'.

 

[ChosenOne]

Since it seems that the main argument being pushed here is the 'WHATABOUTISM of 'more Americans die in Kevin McCarthy and Jim Jordans district from local crime and thus the FBI should not be investigating or reporting on domestic terrorism which is a much smaller threat'...

DO YOU ALSO AGREE that the FBI should stop then investigating international terrorist threats to America which represent even smaller numbers?

if you say they should investigate international terrorism, do you think then an annual report analyzing the threat and putting it in to context should be shared? and if so, do you think that is good for domestic terrorism threats too?

 

[Scheme]

So you are against the FBI also targeting Terrorism and especially muslim terrorism as even smaller risks, in America?

And there is no evidence they are hyper fixated on it, just because they report it. That is your narrative. You keep pushing 'fixated' because they report stats. I see stats on lesser diseases and don't complain saying they should only publish the stats on heart disease because it kills more.

Andi again see your post as naive and foolish, as it is local police who focus on the people dying in Chicago or in Jim Jordans and Kevin McCarthys districts. That is not the FBI purpose. So do you think America should just not have ANY POLICING AGENCY focusing on terrorism?

Do you think when a 9/11 happens or the Ted Kaczynski, Unabomber attack, or the Timothy McVeigh Oklahoma bombing happens, most Americans would accept the FBI saying 'we do nothing to try and prevent those as Chicago is worse'.

I ask that seriously as you really seem to be pushing this 'nothing should be done about statistically smaller actions that are a rounding error on deaths compared to worse things'.

I am not against stopping any terrorism (within legal means). I don't know why you invented that in your head. The fear mongering is what I am against. I think you and the ADL don't really care about people being murdered, you care about pushing a narrative that right wing people are crazy extremists because of something inherent to right wing ideology (which is already an amorphous definition enough, yet alone one that is taken up by an significantly biased organization like the ADL). The ADL doesn't post articles on significantly more common types of violence and murders. Why do you think that is?

Sorry, I don't want to eat up this divisive fearmongering horseshit like you want me to. You'll notice for example i also in other threads speak out against the notion that Indians are the biggest rapists in the world. I am not Indian and have no preference for them. But I just noticed that people continuously push the notion that Indians are some inherent rapists when the statistics show a completely different story.

 

[BIKES!]

More like Alt left terrorism falsely labeled by Democrat propaganda arms the MSM and FBI are the leading cause

 

[ChosenOne]

I am not against stopping any terrorism (within legal means). I don't know why you invented that in your head. The fear mongering is what I am against. I think you and the ADL don't really care about people being murdered, you care about pushing a narrative that right wing people are crazy extremists because of something inherent to right wing ideology (which is already an amorphous definition enough, yet alone one that is taken up by an significantly biased organization like the ADL). The ADL doesn't post articles on significantly more common types of violence and murders. Why do you think that is?

Sorry, I don't want to eat up this divisive fearmongering horseshit like you want me to. You'll notice for example i also in other threads speak out against the notion that Indians are the biggest rapists in the world. I am not Indian and have no preference for them. But I just noticed that people continuously push the notion that Indians are some inherent rapists when the statistics show a completely different story.

Why do you fear a report?

I felt no fear when i read that report.

I feel no fear when i read reports about the state of Al Qaeda or any of the other islamic terrorism threats and how they are poised to threaten America.


What is it in you, that you think made you so fearful that a simple report by some group, gets you so fearful?

 

[ChosenOne]

...The ADL doesn't post articles on significantly more common types of violence and murders. Why do you think that is?
...

I'll address the WHATABOUTISM.

The biggest threat in America to individuals generally is domestic violence. Tons of reports on by local policing and other agencies. Never checked if ADL focuses on it or not. Don't really care.

The next biggest threat in America is local violence like you get in Kevin McCarthy and Jim Jordans district. Again tons of local policing and other agency reports on that. Whether or not the ADL focuses on it, don't really care.


Again your entire argument always reduces back to WHATABOUT bigger crimes. Such that the FBI or ADL reporting on terrorism threats should not be done.

That is simply a dumb reductionist view as ALL of it needs to be examined and you have certain groups or agencies who will have more of one focus and not the other and that IS FINE.

You scream over and over 'why is that Dr promoting colon cancer awareness for men when heart disease is a bigger killer', is just the worst kind of reductionist WHATABOUTISM arguments that really have no place.

If the FBI or ADL releases an annual report on Domestic terrorism, simply because you get so scared, does not mean it is wrong to do, or for us to discuss.

We talk about regular crime pretty much every day here and have threads bumped on it regularly.

 

[Scheme]

Why do you fear a report?

I felt no fear when i read that report.

I feel no fear when i read reports about the state of Al Qaeda or any of the other islamic terrorism threats and how they are poised to threaten America.


What is it in you, that you think made you so fearful that a simple report by some group, gets you so fearful?

This'll be my last reply since I'm getting off my plane. Did you even read your own OP? You said:
The data below is exactly in line with the varied reports the FBI and Homeland security have put out identifying right wing extremism as the biggest threat and also biggest growing threat in America.

This is fear mongering. The numbers of people killed by this group is less than lightning strikes kill per year. You made the claim, I didn't. You didn't just post a report and neither did the ADL, you posted divisive horseshit intended to make people fearful of the right wing.

The biggest threat in America is not the debt, not obesity, not income inequality, not pollution, not illegal immigration, not the enclaves of mass violence, not Russia or China, not economic collapse, not nuclear war, not fentanyl. It's a group of people that kill less than lightning. And not only that, it's also growing, so it will continue to be the biggest threat to America as well. Give me a fucking break dude.

 

[ChosenOne]

This'll be my last reply since I'm getting off my plane. Did you even read your own OP? You said:
The data below is exactly in line with the varied reports the FBI and Homeland security have put out identifying right wing extremism as the biggest threat and also biggest growing threat in America.

This is fear mongering. The numbers of people killed by this group is less than lightning strikes kill per year. You made the claim, I didn't. You didn't just post a report and neither did the ADL, you posted divisive horseshit intended to make people fearful of the right wing.

The biggest threat in America is not the debt, not obesity, not income inequality, not pollution, not illegal immigration, not the enclaves of mass violence, not Russia or China, not economic collapse, not nuclear war, not fentanyl. It's a group of people that kill less than lightning. And not only that, it's also growing, so it will continue to be the biggest threat to America as well. Give me a fucking break dude.

I am glad this will be your last post since it is all WHATABOUTISM.

WHATABOUT heart attacks. What about War.

For the rest of us we can discuss terrorism within crime, and where and how domestic terrorism fits in that, even if heart attacks kill more people.

I do not even know why you mention a list like "...the debt, not obesity, not income inequality, not pollution, not illegal immigration, not the enclaves of mass violence, not Russia or China, not economic collapse, not nuclear war, not fentanyl...." when your view CLEARLY is you must find the SINGULAR one that kills the most, and only address that. So if i started a thread to discuss "obesity" you would say "WHATABOUT income inequality and debt...etc'.

YOu are a walking talking example of Whataboutism pushing the view that only the singular biggest threat should be discussed and addressed and discussing the others is wrong because the bigger threat kills more.

 

[My Spot]

I wonder who the TS used to be on here until he got banned.

 

[Red Dragoniop]

yeah TS i am worried about some hillbillies that watch infowars..... when i visit these American cities i better watch out for these right wingers LOLLL...

 

[Whippy McGee]

Good discussion point. Thanks.

nostradumbass is adding to the discussion that while the above is extremely accurate he knows of a single incident, where an extremist is not an identified republican.

Good point to add to this chat, but does not change anything, really.

Then let me change things for you. Democrats / Leftists in their own actions and words. All are welcome to reuse this list that I have compiled.

• Kathy Griffin with Trump's bloody head
• Snoop Dog shoots Trump in video
• When was the last time an actor assassinated a president? – Johnny Depp
• I would beat the hell out of Trump if in high school – Joe Biden
• We're done talking about the debate, it's time to put Trump in a bullseye. – Joe Biden less than a week before the assassination attempt
• They're not going to be able to go to a restaurant, they're not going to be able to stop at a gas station, they're not going to be able to shop at a department store, the people are going to turn on them, they're going to protest, they're going to absolutely harass them. – Maxine Waters
• I threaten Trump supporters all the time – Maxine Waters
• I will go and take Trump out tonight – Maxine Waters
• It's our patriotic duty to eliminate an existential threat to the nation. – Ajama Baraka
• We should fight Trump in the streets – Congressman Joaquin Castro
• You have to punch Trump in the face – Senator Jon Tester
• I have thought a lot about blowing up the White House – Madonna
• I'd like to punch him (Trump) in the face – Robert Dinero
• People need to start taking to the streets, this is a dictator – Donny Deutsch
• Trump and supporters are enemies of the state – Nancy Pelosi
• Our enemies to our voting system and constitution are at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue – Nancy Pelosi
• Where is John Wilks Booth when you need him – Carole Cooke
• Show me where protestors are supposed to be polite and peaceful – Chris Cuomo
• When they go low, we kick them – Eric Holder
• There still going to have to go out an put a bullet in Donald Trump and that's a fact – Rick Wilson
• The biggest threat to this country is radicalized White Men… to the right – Don Lemon
• I thought he should have punched him (Trump) in the face – Nicolle Wallace
• He got off the escalator and called Mexicans rapists and murderers – Nicole Wallace
• A person in a crowd cheering for and supporting a traitor to this country caught a stray? I'm so sad, please. – Destiny
• Trump's character is stabbed to death in the play – Shakespeare in the Park
• I don't condone violence but please get you some shooting lessons so you don't miss next time ooops that wasn't me talking – Jacqueline Marsaw Field Director for Congressman Bennie Thompson – He's the same Congressman that tried to defund Trump's Secret Service detail
• What a glorious day this could have been – Dr. Karen Pinder (hours after assassination attempt)
• Trump Assassination Attempt by Project Blue donator in Pennsylvania
• Trump Assassination Attempt by Project Blue donator in Florida
• Ted Cruz and wife being forced to hide in a restaurant kitchen from a mob.
• Rand Paul being attacked in the streets by Leftist (not his neighbor)

The Left is far far far more violent than the right and it's not close. Here is a map of Leftist riots and violence.

If I do the same for the right... it will only have Washington D.C. on January 6.

 

[ChosenOne]

Then let me change things for you. Democrats / Leftists in their own actions and words. All are welcome to reuse this list that I have compiled.

• Kathy Griffin with Trump's bloody head
• Snoop Dog shoots Trump in video
• When was the last time an actor assassinated a president? – Johnny Depp
• I would beat the hell out of Trump if in high school – Joe Biden
• We're done talking about the debate, it's time to put Trump in a bullseye. – Joe Biden less than a week before the assassination attempt
• They're not going to be able to go to a restaurant, they're not going to be able to stop at a gas station, they're not going to be able to shop at a department store, the people are going to turn on them, they're going to protest, they're going to absolutely harass them. – Maxine Waters
• I threaten Trump supporters all the time – Maxine Waters
• I will go and take Trump out tonight – Maxine Waters
• It's our patriotic duty to eliminate an existential threat to the nation. – Ajama Baraka
• We should fight Trump in the streets – Congressman Joaquin Castro
• You have to punch Trump in the face – Senator Jon Tester
• I have thought a lot about blowing up the White House – Madonna
• I'd like to punch him (Trump) in the face – Robert Dinero
• People need to start taking to the streets, this is a dictator – Donny Deutsch
• Trump and supporters are enemies of the state – Nancy Pelosi
• Our enemies to our voting system and constitution are at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue – Nancy Pelosi
• Where is John Wilks Booth when you need him – Carole Cooke
• Show me where protestors are supposed to be polite and peaceful – Chris Cuomo
• When they go low, we kick them – Eric Holder
• There still going to have to go out an put a bullet in Donald Trump and that's a fact – Rick Wilson
• The biggest threat to this country is radicalized White Men… to the right – Don Lemon
• I thought he should have punched him (Trump) in the face – Nicolle Wallace
• He got off the escalator and called Mexicans rapists and murderers – Nicole Wallace
• A person in a crowd cheering for and supporting a traitor to this country caught a stray? I'm so sad, please. – Destiny
• Trump's character is stabbed to death in the play – Shakespeare in the Park
• I don't condone violence but please get you some shooting lessons so you don't miss next time ooops that wasn't me talking – Jacqueline Marsaw Field Director for Congressman Bennie Thompson – He's the same Congressman that tried to defund Trump's Secret Service detail
• What a glorious day this could have been – Dr. Karen Pinder (hours after assassination attempt)
• Trump Assassination Attempt by Project Blue donator in Pennsylvania
• Trump Assassination Attempt by Project Blue donator in Florida
• Ted Cruz and wife being forced to hide in a restaurant kitchen from a mob.
• Rand Paul being attacked in the streets by Leftist (not his neighbor)

The Left is far far far more violent than the right and it's not close. Here is a map of Leftist riots and violence.

If I do the same for the right... it will only have Washington D.C. on January 6.

this thread is not about rhetoric, so your post is meaningless.

And Trump alone, beats all of the above combined for abusive and dangerous rhetoric, if someone wants to start that thread.

 

[fingercuffs]

Just off the top of my head, your little graphic is full of shit. All of the "extremist related murders" in 2023 were "right wing" huh? Seems more like the ADL is bullshitting you and you fell for it.

Who is that?