Explain to me Why Citizen Kane isn't the Greatest Movie of All Time

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The Great Cinema Swindle

by AphroditeVenus

I know why you're reading this. You're smart, you have great taste, a passion for cinema, and you see CK near the top of every 'Great Movie' list ever compiled. So with great anticipation you borrow a DVD copy and sit down for a real treat, and... you can't get through the first half hour. You fall asleep.

Surprised, you think, 'It must be me, maybe I'm tired,' so a month later, you try again. But you don't even get as far as before, and wake up drooling out the corner of your mouth as a bloated Orson Welles, with really bad age make-up, groans 'Rosebud, Rosebud'.

It doesn't make sense. You're perplexed. You've watched other films on the lists... Casablanca made you stand up and cheer, cry, laugh, feel connected to all humanity. You even adore films on the list that some might consider oblique, like 8 1/2, which you reckon reinvented cinema language, weaving in and out of memory, dreams, psyche, reality, putting the human spirit up on the screen, making you cheer, laugh, and feel connected to all humanity.

So why does CK leave you so cold? You wonder, 'What's wrong with me? Am I stupid or something?'

Your borrowed DVD copy gathers dust (notice how the lender never asks for it back?), taunting your unquiet mind: "You must watch me: I'm the greatest film of all time!" But you shudder at the thought. Life's too short and, after all, there's more engaging things to do - like scraping plaque off the dog's teeth.

Years pass. Finally, you can take it no longer. You think, 'To be a serious film lover I MUST watch Citizen Kane! Maybe I was too immature before - yes, that must be it!' So you gird your loins and sit - awake! - through the whole thing. The whole turgid, ponderous, dull, vacuous, plodding, dank catastrophe. It's even worse than you feared. An emotionally and intellectually empty story. Your average six year old can invent a more complex, engaging tale.

Genuinely puzzled, you ask people who name it as one of the greatest films of all time why they like it, and with barely concealed superiority that phoneys are wont to adopt, they wax lyrical talk about the haunting mystery of the final words, "Rosebud, rosebud". You notice there's no feeling behind what they say. They also talk a great deal about Gregg Toland's cinematography, with liberal references to "deep focus", and you appreciate this, you really do, the cinematography was damned fine, best thing about the movie. That shot which started outside the window then tracked back into the room was really cool. But you just don't believe a movie is made great by cinematography alone.

In all your inquiries, you never once hear the following phrase, spoken from the heart: "God, I love that film".

So here you find yourself, reading IMDb comments.

Well, let me tell you this: There's Nothing Wrong With You! You Are Right! It's Overrated Flashy Unintelligent Rubbish!

One day, perhaps (one can but dream), the coolest, greatest, most admired film being in the world will point out the bleeding obvious nakedness of this bloated Emperor, and the assorted film critics, film studies teachers, and others who need to be told what to think by an authority figure, shall squirm, and CK shall drop off the lists once and for all.

Until that great day, don't be afraid to speak the truth.
 
It's not my favorite, but my favorites have to bow down in the pure, non-sloppy, sense. What was done in that movie made movies movies. How do you put Casablance or Gone with the Wind in the same sentence. There are perfect movies, but there aren't movies that flat-out, there was before and after this movie. What took Hitchcock a lifetime, Welles was doing chewing bubble gum, terrorizing the c untry and fucking Rita Heyworth. It''s not a cocky statement, I was just wondering on what grounds the choice of someone's second best matches up outside of emotional personal subjectivity

Movies are almost a wholly subjective experience. One person's great movie might be another person's snooze fest. There's no way to say one opinion is better than another. If someone really loved Short Circuit over everything else, well then that's the best movie in that person's universe. Taste is subjective.

I think it's fine to recognize movies that were innovators, but that doesn't necessarily make them good.
 
@Drunken Meat Fist is like a Forrest Gump success montage.

He is still the second best philosopher and provides some of the best peotic social commentary on the dog.

I wish more people could understand his genius, but alas, all his accolades will come long after his death.

Drunkenmeatfistbless...may he Lord over us with his drunken meat fist. Brings me back to my youth.<2><DCrying>
 
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This. Citizen Kane is remarkable for purely historical reasons; a lot of technically groundbreaking techniques were utilized for the first time in it.

Outside of that historical context, I've never found it a particularly powerful movie. It's real claim to fame is how it transformed the nature of making movies, but that merely makes it an important movie, not a good movie.

It’s important no doubt and and entertaining IMO if you are like me and I love history. It a watchable film from a bygone era that helps us understand the time period, at least from a certain perspective, and that’s fun
 
Anyway, everyone knows Infinity War is the best movie of all time.

That reminds me, we need some marvel smilies/animated gifs
 
I thought it was inventive, but that's really about it.

People proclaiming supremacy for one thing or another is mostly their way of subtly saying, "My reasons for liking something are better than yours".
 
I thought it was inventive, but that's really about it.

People proclaiming supremacy for one thing or another is mostly their way of subtly saying, "My reasons for liking something are better than yours".

There is always the exception to the rule.

 
I spose the most well known example of this is the UK Sight and Sound list...

https://www.bfi.org.uk/news/50-greatest-films-all-time

Kane was #1 for decades there before Vertigo toped it. I do think you have an issue there that critics tend naturally to fall back to examples they were taught at Uni and directors have a tendency to only vote for work before their career than influenced them.

I have to admit as well that Hitchcock for me is if not the same as Kane a little similar in that whilst you can't disagree with the influence he had the actual films were arguably not the most ambitious.
 
to put it simply: most people think/feel old movies are very boring. The acting is generally very hammy, even for so called 'classics', a lot of things weren't allowed to be shown, fight scenes pretty much didn't exist (not good ones), love scenes sucked, special effects didn't exist in the manner we know now etc...

So unless you just really like Drama, most people aren't watching any movie pre Jaws or Eastwood.......

b/c why?

personally I don't like any B&W films even half as much as I do 12 Angry Men
 
Anyway, everyone knows Infinity War is the best movie of all time.

But...but...Ragnarok! Followed closely by the porn version Bangmacock, starring Seth Rogan.<CroCop1>



I just officially...
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It's brilliant. I actually prefer Touch of Evil over Kane but Kane is the objectively better film.
 
But...but...Ragnarok! Followed closely by the porn version Bangmacock, starring Seth Rogan.<CroCop1>



I just officially...
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Lol tbf tho Ragnarok is in my mcu top 5. I'd put it lower, but I don't think I can when I've seen it like 7 times.
 
Lol tbf tho Ragnarok is in my mcu top 5. I'd put it lower, but I don't think I can when I've seen it like 7 times.

Sad fact...I own Ragnarok, Infinity War, Dr Strange, X-men First Class, X-men Days of Future Past, X-men Apocalypse,

Its my filthy secret....My comfort movies...I fall asleep to these all the time. I was a comic kid, what can I say?<Fedor23>
 
It's not my favorite, but my favorites have to bow down in the pure, non-sloppy, sense. What was done in that movie made movies movies. How do you put Casablance or Gone with the Wind in the same sentence. There are perfect movies, but there aren't movies that flat-out, there was before and after this movie. What took Hitchcock a lifetime, Welles was doing chewing bubble gum, terrorizing the c untry and fucking Rita Heyworth. It''s not a cocky statement, I was just wondering on what grounds the choice of someone's second best matches up outside of emotional personal subjectivity


They did some stuff with the camera that were way ahead of its time, MTV/Action like, but the whole Rosebud thing just to be something fucking stupid at the end pissed me off
 
Sad fact...I own Ragnarok, Infinity War, Dr Strange, X-men First Class, X-men Days of Future Past, X-men Apocalypse,

Its my filthy secret....My comfort movies...I fall asleep to these all the time. I was a comic kid, what can I say?<Fedor23>
Hey I'm not ashamed. These are the movies I wanted since I was like 4. Never thought I'd live to see something like the MCU. It's the one aspect of living in the future that lives up to the hype
 
Fuck now this thread is going to make me try and watch this movie again.
 
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