Executive Order 9066

[ultramanhyata]

Because those two nations didn't launch a successful attack on US soil...

As if Japanese Americans were rounded up only in order to determine which ones may have been complicit in the bombing of Pearl Harbor, not to prevent them from possibly becoming collaborators with the Japanese government going forward.

Try again.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

The Germans declared the war the moment the Japanese attacked, dont be ridiculous.

There were also intelligence reports stating that the Japanese were not a threat.

In early 1941, President Roosevelt secretly commissioned a study to assess the possibility that Japanese Americans would pose a threat to U.S. security. The report, submitted exactly one month before Pearl Harbor was bombed, found that, "There will be no armed uprising of Japanese" in the United States. "For the most part," the Munson Report said, "the local Japanese are loyal to the United States or, at worst, hope that by remaining quiet they can avoid concentration camps or irresponsible mobs."[3] A second investigation started in 1940, written by Naval Intelligence officer Kenneth Ringle and submitted in January 1942, likewise found no evidence of fifth column activity and urged against mass incarceration.[5] Both were ignored.

When did the War Room became this fucking racist.

Also im pretty sure that it was wildly illegal to do so.

...and then one month later, the US was attacked and in reaction, during war time, decided to contain any other possible threats. I am not saying its morally correct looking back at it 70 years later but during war time, after the largest attack on US soil; i can see where their logic is.

Not sure why you're playing the race card on this? If the Italians bombed Brooklyn, the reaction would had probably been the same.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

wait, so the same country/government that arguably has entered virtually every war under questionable circumstances (USS Maine, Gulf of Tonkin, intel on Pearl Harbor beforehand, sinking of the Lusitania, WMD's in Iraq, attacking troops on Mexican soil to start Mexican/American war, etc...), is being questioned for propaganda practices during one of those wars?

you don't say

 

[Rod1]

...and then one month later, the US was attacked and in reaction, during war time, decided to contain any other possible threats. I am not saying its morally correct looking back at it 70 years later but during war time, after the largest attack on US soil; i can see where their logic is.

Not sure why you're playing the race card on this? If the Italians bombed Brooklyn, the reaction would had probably been the same.

Pearl Harbour was in 1941, the second report was in 1942.

And yeah race had nothing to do about it, we all know how easy Asians have had it in the States.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

and tbf, we gave Japan a favorable trade balance after the War (just like Germany) which is one of the main reasons they became the economic power in Asia right after the war....it helps they had industrial capactiy built up from the war, but ffs Nintendo started off as like a playing card company

in other words, yes we did shady ish, but it's not like we didn't try to help out afterwards

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

As if Japanese Americans were rounded up only in order to determine which ones may have been complicit in the bombing of Pearl Harbor, not to prevent them from possibly becoming collaborators with the Japanese government going forward.

Try again.

And why was this logic not extended to German or Italian Americans?

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Pearl Harbour was in 1941, the second report was in 1942.

And yeah race had nothing to do about it, we all know how easy Asians have had it in the States.

All of those reports were started before Pearl Harbor; because one officer handed in his report afterward and felt interment was not necessary, FDR should had followed suit?

And the Munson report stating "for the most part" did not really provide much peace of mind that Japan did not have pro empire cells within the States.

Lets also pretend Italians did not face discrimination at the time, they also had internment camps in the US during WW2

 

[ultramanhyata]

And why was this logic not extended to German or Italian Americans?

In doing a little more digging it appears that it was... but based on a different set of criteria. And to a lesser degree.

 

[JbModest]

Shouldn't have done it. It wasn't done to Germarn or Italian Americans. It was done only because of their race.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

In doing a little more digging it appears that it was... but based on a different set of criteria. And to a lesser degree.

Please continue, you're being vague after being so condescending.
Educate us.

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

Except, you know, the Germans hadn't ATTACKED us yet....

just saying. whether War was declared or not against both countries, only the Japanese successfully traversed the ocean to get to us

Who cares? I never said anything about timing. After we went to war with Germany, why not intern German-Americans, just like we did when we went to war with the Japanese? Logistics.

This is a big stain on America's legacy, an embarrassment. At least we apologized, though that really doesn't make up for essentially jailing innocent people, including children, as a precaution against a few potential crimes. It also really takes the moral high ground away when trying to condemn attempts at genocide by the Soviets when they forcibly expelled the Chechens/Ingush/Bashkirs/etc. from their homelands during WW2 due to flimsy accusations of collaborating with the Germans.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

i mean women couldn't even vote till after WWI, had legal segregation until 1954 (and then obviously lasted years later), etc....

it was war man, and near Total Warfare at that. we atomic bomb'd two of their cities, largely civilians. we fire bombed tokyo and dresden for like years. shit happens

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Shouldn't have done it. It wasn't done to Germarn or Italian Americans. It was done only because of their race.

there were German and Italian Internment camps.

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

Perhaps we shouldn't laugh at the 2nd Amendment activists quite so heartily when they warn about how the government could oppress its own people. This internment was in our grandparents' lifetime; it happened just a few years before my father was born. This isn't the Trail of Tears, confined to such a distant past that we brush it off as a different age.

 

[Rod1]

All of those reports were started before Pearl Harbor; because one officer handed in his report afterward and felt interment was not necessary, FDR should had followed suit?

And the Munson report stating "for the most part" did not really provide much peace of mind that Japan did not have pro empire cells within the States.

Lets also pretend Italians did not face discrimination at the time, they also had internment camps in the US during WW2

there were German and Italian Internment camps.

They were minuscule and reserved mainly for German foreigners trapped in America when the war broke out, not simply anyone with german ancestry as opposed to the japanese.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

They were minuscule and reserved mainly for German foreigners trapped in America when the war broke out, not simply anyone with german ancestry as opposed to the japanese.

well there were 7 million German (naturalized or alien) so the logistics would've been more difficult. Had Berlin bombed Manhattan public pressure would've encouraged a stronger internment policy againsts the germans; like it did with the Japanese.

Italian Nationals were interned...

 

[Rod1]

well there were 7 million German (naturalized or alien) so the logistics would've been more difficult. Had Berlin bombed Manhattan public pressure would've encouraged a stronger internment policy againsts the germans; like it did with the Japanese.

Italian Nationals were interned...

No they werent, there werew over half a million italian nationals and only about 10,000 were interned for different amounts of time.

Italian-Americans and German-Americans were left untouched, as opposed to the blanket treatment of the japanese, american or not.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

No they werent, there werew over half a million italian nationals and only about 10,000 were interned for different amounts of time.

Italian-Americans and German-Americans were left untouched, as opposed to the blanket treatment of the japanese, american or not.

i did not say all italian nationals were intended, but some were. Again, you're trying to argue that the attacks on US soil had nothing to do with interment but rather purely based on racism. Any culture, race or nation would face severe domestic backlash if their homeland carried out an attack on US soil.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Isn't this the same order Palpatine used to turn the clone troopers against their Jedi handlers.

 

[Rod1]

i did not say all italian nationals were intended, but some were. Again, you're trying to argue that the attacks on US soil had nothing to do with interment and it was purely racism. Any culture, race or nation would face severe domestic backlash if their homeland carried out an attack on US soil.

They were purely racism, thousands of Americans were also dying in Europe, you talk as if they didnt felt the war in europe.

Also FDR was indeed pretty racist even for his time

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Franklin_D._Roosevelt#Accusations_of_racism