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What was Fedor on?
Ex-UFC heavyweight Mark Hunt paints Jon Jones as "greatest cheat of all time"
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My position is everyone does and he came from an organization where it was encouraged
Rtired fighters are pretty candid about prevelant it is, Im dont why Hunt would feign outrage especially considering how many of his opponents have popped inspite of encouraged usage
Overeem- busted peds
Brock- busted peds
Mir- busted peds
Silva- busted peds
Werdum- busted peds
JDS- busted peds
Manhoef- busted peds
Josh Barnet- busted peds
Wanderlie Silva- busted peds
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The contractually obligated Pride steroids and donuts. Steroids don't miraculously make you ripped. Even if you take full advantage of them to work out really hard all the time you can still eat more calories than you need.
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Just Fedor noticeably and naturally declined physically in his mid/late 30s. Shoulders lost muscle, much more fat around belly, etc... I do not say he never took anything, but for sure he was not juiced much, if at all. He had a lot of talent and heart.
Look at Overeem, Brock, or even Jones transformation from skinny fat to being ripped with gyno. Steroids played very big role in their careers, could you imagine Brock without steroids, how well would he do?
Look at Overeem, Brock, or even Jones transformation from skinny fat to being ripped with gyno. Steroids played very big role in their careers, could you imagine Brock without steroids, how well would he do?
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I don't think anyone elsr failed the pre fight test and was allowed to fight. Correct me if im wrong.
Athletes cheating isn't new or rare, no one disputes that. It's an different issue when the organisation covers it up.
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You are right, a cover up seems a little fucked up.
But like I said, Hunts been in the game for so long fighting against so many guy busted even in organizations where peds are encouraged
Just seem like a totally fruitless pursuit and based of his "tweets" he seems off his rocker.
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Nah it's nit the opposite. If you come off properly you can have normal T levels. And you won't lose the skills. Imagine training 5 days per week vs 3 or 4. Assuming same quality of trainong, you'll improve more. Steroids allow more quality training minutes per year.
They're not gonna say he's not the goat because steroids are so common and his work in the octagon is the best ever, out of all cheats and non-cheats.
You can't say he was clean. Testing positive doesn't mean clean. It just means didn't test positive. If he's had multiple violations, it's fair to say he may have been using for way longer. Just like many caught olympians who tested clean repeatedly, until new tests happened and it was found they were cheating with nrw substances that couldn't be detected yet.
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Never said that. Actually, I said that it makes it easier to train. But you gotta train, PEDs won't make someone train if they don't like it. Again, if you study taking Ritalin, you will feel like 1 hour passed and you got to learn what you would in 3 hours. You didn't become smarter, but there was dopamine stimulation, which makes you more zooned in. It even feels nice, it's like a pleasure to read. Same way, PEDs stimulates brain sensors that controls pleasure in sparring, in training in the gym constantly, drilling. And a feeling of confidence. It's not that it makes someone fake , but it's a mentality many can't have without it.
But that doesn't prove anything. If he had only one positive test in the fight, i.e, he was caught once hence that was a NC, you can't say he was on PEDs. You can't say "because he has been caught lying once, then it's on them to prove the other times that there was no evidence he was lying, that he was lying" ...
The UFC for example would make their own tests. Not as strict as usada, but many fighters were suspended even in the UFC era due to substance use. Chael Sonnen vs Silva 1, Chael had been punished due to "excessive testosterone". Overeem was also suspended before the usada. And there are many examples in the Wikipedia you can check the UFC suspended an athlete even before usada. And after USADA, some like Vitor were never the same ... His body mass would be totally different. Jon Jones fought 10 fights after USADA was in and only 1 was a NC. The other times, the fights were cancelled. He never lost even after USADA and has not been flagged for substance enhancement today, either. If he were dependent on PEDs, his performance would be drastically worse. Because if an athlete were using it throughout their career, they'd
1) Age way quicker... In long term, they wouldn't be able to sustain high performance in fights. It's not about what your body knows, but what it can handle. Because overtraining with PEDs lead to the body giving out more and more. Drugs don't make one stronger in the long term, it has a date limit and the body stop being able to handle it... The body itself changes its metabolism to the point that if he used it always, he wouldn't be able to even train without it, since natural hormones would be stopped to be produced , as many PEDs act like artificial hormones like testosterone, alongside many others... And lack of these hormones make it impossible to get gratification without that mental edge, and even that mental edge manifests smaller each time. It's not about what you evolved, it is about whether your mind can keep the determination to maintain a discipline for a very good shape and condition. If an athlete has learned many things quicker, but their bodies can't keep nearly the same shape and condition, long term it affects the athlete in a negative way... Their performances take a big dip.
Yet Gus for example , same age as JJ, lost to Smith, then to moderns LHW who aren't even amazing the top, lost in HW in his first match when he tried moving up. If JJ were always an user, he'd never have extended his ability to be someone who likely beats a young power house like Tom Aspinall in HW... Never. It shows you he isn't a cheat. Or that if he always use it, then he got a blessing of not ever building tolerance and feeling the effects like 15 years ago, as if his body produced PEDs already naturally... Either way, t doesn't explain his dominance other than what most fighters say — he's the #1.
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You wrote so many wrong things in this post, I do not think you know how steroids cycles and PEDs can work:
- Firstly, he failed 3 tests related to steroids
- Steroids can be cycled properly without many downsides if any, keeping many benefits
- natural T reboots 99.9% of the time with correct therapy and shorter cycles: you end up above your natural limits in many ways
- Jones was cycling from time to time, he did not overdo it...
- in 2015 tested positive for clomiphene and letrozole, only usage for those drugs in men is post cycle rebooting of natural testosterone and fertility
- He also had gyno in weigh ins, common side effect of steroid and clomid, also he had T levels of a female, not possible naturally without surpassing natural T with steroids. (tests were public)
- Steroid cycles make you stronger long term
- change your natural baseline for a lifetime
- Some muscles is preserved, and strength is long lasting
- much easier way to rebuild muscle again next time
- neural adaptation stays and is much improved
- 4x + times faster recovery
- also even if you do not work out at all, just lay down in bed whole day, steroids have performance benefits (makes you stronger and build muscle (more than if you workout naturally) reduces body fat, recovery from injuries...
- you can look at steroid cycle like having another puberty (but with even higher levels of T), again and again, keeping many benefits of it for a lifetime
He obviously timed cycles from time to time, especially did it more for dangerous and important fights, had long breaks after USADA etc...
- Firstly, he failed 3 tests related to steroids
- Steroids can be cycled properly without many downsides if any, keeping many benefits
- natural T reboots 99.9% of the time with correct therapy and shorter cycles: you end up above your natural limits in many ways
- Jones was cycling from time to time, he did not overdo it...
- in 2015 tested positive for clomiphene and letrozole, only usage for those drugs in men is post cycle rebooting of natural testosterone and fertility
- He also had gyno in weigh ins, common side effect of steroid and clomid, also he had T levels of a female, not possible naturally without surpassing natural T with steroids. (tests were public)
- Steroid cycles make you stronger long term
- change your natural baseline for a lifetime
- Some muscles is preserved, and strength is long lasting
- much easier way to rebuild muscle again next time
- neural adaptation stays and is much improved
- 4x + times faster recovery
- also even if you do not work out at all, just lay down in bed whole day, steroids have performance benefits (makes you stronger and build muscle (more than if you workout naturally) reduces body fat, recovery from injuries...
- you can look at steroid cycle like having another puberty (but with even higher levels of T), again and again, keeping many benefits of it for a lifetime
He obviously timed cycles from time to time, especially did it more for dangerous and important fights, had long breaks after USADA etc...
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lol he isn't erasing anything. the man is a legend in K1 and had a very noteworthy career in MMA despite starting pretty late.
fans who will remember for complaining about cheaters and not for knocking fools into the shadow realm were never fans anyway. if you followed hunt's career you'll remember the KOs and the iron head, not the interviews.
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You’re making a lot of bold claims with half-understood science and cherry-picked interpretations, how ironic...
"He failed 3 tests" – False. Only one test (vs DC 2) led to a No Contest. The other instances, like the infamous “pulsing” M3 metabolite, were not fresh ingestion — even USADA and Novitzky publicly confirmed that. If three positives meant three failed tests for banned usage, he’d have been banned for life. Learn how arbitration works.
"Steroids can be cycled properly without many downsides" – That’s the idealized claim users like to sell. Even under “clean” PCT, shutdowns of natural T can be partial or permanent. And psychological dependency is rarely addressed. Top-level performance year after year — across weight classes, without visible decline — isn’t consistent with someone damaged by PEDs.
"He had female T levels" – Exactly. That proves suppression, not active usage. Low T levels don’t come from steroid use — they come from post-use crash. If he were “on” something during the test, T/E would be higher, not medically low. You’re literally confirming that Jones wasn’t “enhanced” during that period.
"Gyno at weigh-ins" – Speculation. You’re not a doctor. Gyno can be caused by puberty, liver enzyme imbalance, or fluctuations in cortisol or insulin. The “he had puffier nipples” argument is weak when you ignore context — dehydration, lighting, camera angle — and pretend that’s hard evidence.
"PEDs give long-lasting strength" – If that strength isn’t consistently maintained through natural training and performance under stress, it fades. PEDs don’t teach fight IQ, timing, composure under fire, or championship experience — Jon Jones displayed all of those after USADA entered.
"You build neural adaptation" – Neural adaptation from steroids? That’s a huge stretch. Neuromuscular adaptation comes from training reps. PEDs might support recovery, but they don’t wire your brain to outthink world-class opponents like Gane or Cormier in live situations... Otherwise everyone who used it once would be gifted for life. How dumb...
"He timed cycles for dangerous fights" – Pure conspiracy theory. If that’s the logic, then every win can be dismissed without proof. Plus, Jon Jones fought more often when testing was strict, not less. If he were hiding something, he’d disappear like many others did after 2015 (like Vitor, Lombard, etc).
You're just throwing darts at the wall, hoping people don’t notice the science and context. JJ may have made mistakes — he's far from perfect — but the idea that a decade-plus of dominance, against multiple generations of elite athletes, is all “timed cycles” is intellectually lazy. It also completely dismisses the part that separates good fighters from legends: the mind.
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