Evidence of Jones' Guilt

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The UFC is a minuscule percentage of USADA's income..

its around $2-2.5m a year. |their total income is just under $20m so UFC is 10-15% of their revenue approximately

https://taintedsupplements.wordpress.com/2018/04/12/quick-take-how-much-does-usada-cost-the-ufc/

but as you say, nowhere near enough to put the whole of US Olympic sport at risk by doing something underhand.

And its not USADA they need to convince, its Richard McClaren and the arbitrators.. And I dont see anyone having the money to buy McClaren off, hes one of the few people in teh world that when it comes to anti doping has no price

 

[acannxr]

its around $2-2.5m a year. |their total income is just under $20m so UFC is 10-15% of their revenue approximately

https://taintedsupplements.wordpress.com/2018/04/12/quick-take-how-much-does-usada-cost-the-ufc/

but as you say, nowhere near enough to put the whole of US Olympic sport at risk by doing something underhand.

And its not USADA they need to convince, its Richard McClaren and the arbitrators.. And I dont see anyone having the money to buy McClaren off, hes one of the few people in teh world that when it comes to anti doping has no price

Thanks for providing the numbers; minuscule might have been a slight exaggeration on my part, but clearly the bulk of USADA's income is through Federal Grants and the Olympics. I'm assuming the Federal Grants are a result of their credibility and involvement in the Olympics, so take away that credibility and they lose 67.5% of their income (grants + olympics).

 

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Thanks for providing the numbers; minuscule might have been a slight exaggeration on my part, but clearly the bulk of USADA's income is through Federal Grants and the Olympics. I'm assuming the Federal Grants are a result of their credibility and involvement in the Olympics, so take away that credibility and they lose 67.5% of their income (grants + olympics).

the US olympic contract is seperate, thats about $3.5m a year

The main grant is largely to cover research projects, education etc.

Will have a more accurate figure in a month or two when the 2017 numbers get released, that will give a third "ufc" year to work out the numbers from but i dont expect it to change much from my estimate of 2.5m.

the bigger issue with usada would be if they bend rules and gave allowances for jones

1) despite ufc not being wada signatories, usada are, and wada would view it pretty badly if there was evidence of corruption even in a private contract. If usada lost their accreditation from wada even termporarily it would be massively damaging. As we saw with russia, not having a national anti doping agency can hugely impact olympic sport.

2) even though its a private contract any cases involving ufc can nonetheless set legal precedent. So if usada were seen in any way to let jones off, other athletes could cite precedent in similar cases, even athletes under the olympic program.

3) If they were gonna cover up anyything they would have covered up lance. the lance situation involved corruption at US Olympic Comittee and US Cycling level and had support of high level senators. USADA could easily have sided with them and joined the coverup, probably seen their federal funding double. cover4ing up for lance literally could have made them $10m a year

 

[acannxr]

the US olympic contract is seperate, thats about $3.5m a year

The main grant is largely to cover research projects, education etc.

Will have a more accurate figure in a month or two when the 2017 numbers get released, that will give a third "ufc" year to work out the numbers from but i dont expect it to change much from my estimate of 2.5m.

the bigger issue with usada would be if they bend rules and gave allowances for jones

1) despite ufc not being wada signatories, usada are, and wada would view it pretty badly if there was evidence of corruption even in a private contract. If usada lost their accreditation from wada even termporarily it would be massively damaging. As we saw with russia, not having a national anti doping agency can hugely impact olympic sport.

2) even though its a private contract any cases involving ufc can nonetheless set legal precedent. So if usada were seen in any way to let jones off, other athletes could cite precedent in similar cases, even athletes under the olympic program.

3) If they were gonna cover up anyything they would have covered up lance. the lance situation involved corruption at US Olympic Comittee and US Cycling level and had support of high level senators. USADA could easily have sided with them and joined the coverup, probably seen their federal funding double. cover4ing up for lance literally could have made them $10m a year

Yeah, I just don't see the logic in why they would risk it all for Jon Jones when there were and remains many more profitable opportunities that they could capitalized on. Jones' fans often cite Lesnar's situation as evidence for USADA's corruption, but they conveniently ignore the fact that Jones got pulled from that very same card.

I imagine each sample has a minimum time required for it to go through the testing process, and if I recall correctly each sample doesn't even have a name on it, so why should any of us expect the results of a sample taken two weeks out from a fight to be completed before a fight occurs? Additionally, UFC fighters aren't the only individuals tested by these facilities.

However, I do think there are holes in the policy. Personally I'd like for them to remove the tainted supplement excuse; it's too easy for fighters to purchase tainted supplements preemptively and then use them as an excuse for a positive test. And the UFC/Athletic Commission should stipulate a fine of a fighter's purse if a failed drug test comes out post-fight (i.e. X% of Jones'/Lesnar's purse and PPV goes to Cormier/Hunt, respectively).

 

[Just Creed]

It's not looking good for Johny "Goat" Jones

 

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Personally I'd like for them to remove the tainted supplement excuse; it's too easy for fighters to purchase tainted supplements preemptively and then use them as an excuse for a positive test.

there has to be room for genuine cases of contamination/unlabelled supplements. What i would change, is if the supplement isnt written on the doping control form, then you cant claim it down the line.

case in point. Jones, writes down 7 supplements, asks for 17 to be tested. Or in his first case, didnt write the "pill" on his form at all.

 

[RawkyMarciano]

It's not looking good for Johny "Goat" Jones

You mean Jon "Steroiding Cheat" Jones. Yes, it's not looking good.

 

[Paynebringer]

Doesn't matter who he "ripped through" when none of his wins are valid. Everyone knows your boy is a cheat, his legacy is dead. Move on man, it's not your fault.

When got more than your gut feelings & hate and some cold hard facts like the the only two confirmed cases of Jon being popped then you can come @Me until then keep your hate and inner vibes to yourself I ain't got time for either of you...

 

[RawkyMarciano]

When got more than your gut feelings & hate and some cold hard facts like the the only two confirmed cases of Jon being popped then you can come @Me until then keep your hate and inner vibes to yourself I ain't got time for either of you...

Truth seems like hate to those who hate the truth.

Truth = Jon Jones is a PED using coward who will always be recognized as a fraud and a never-been. USADA is about to take care of him. Once a cheat, always a cheat, twice a cheat, what more do you need to know? Cheaters never prosper.

 

[Paynebringer]

Truth seems like hate to those who hate the truth.

Truth = Jon Jones is a PED using coward who will always be recognized as a fraud and a never-been. USADA is about to take care of him.

You keep saying this ^^^ same sh!t over & over like it's some sort of deep thought, bring your years of evidence & proof of use over the years or keep your hurt feelings and deep thoughts to yourself because this fight fan don't wanna hear it. Same I hate Jon dribble from you every jump on Bones thread...

Spoiler

 

[Just Creed]

You mean Jon "i make rawkymarciano cry" Jones. Yes, it's not looking good.

I agree...he's clearly been framed. He shouldn't have taken that freaky viagra. He might be the goatiest ever...but he should take proper viagra prescribed by a real doctor

 

[acannxr]

there has to be room for genuine cases of contamination/unlabelled supplements. What i would change, is if the supplement isnt written on the doping control form, then you cant claim it down the line.

case in point. Jones, writes down 7 supplements, asks for 17 to be tested. Or in his first case, didnt write the "pill" on his form at all.

But a fighter could find a supplement that's contaminated with the substances he's actually ingesting and if he fails a test he can just cite the aforementioned supplement.

Besides, the supplement industry is nothing more than one big scam, UFC fighters would make better use of their limited money just buying regular food:

 

[FinalConflict2005]

But a fighter could find a supplement that's contaminated with the substances he's actually ingesting and if he fails a test he can just cite the aforementioned supplement.

Besides, the supplement industry is nothing more than one big scam, UFC fighters would make better use of their limited money just buying regular food:

What!? You mean Kill Mode Mega Mass Builder 9000 protein powder doesn’t work? Are you saying chicken and eggs are a better source of protein?

 

[Prince Nephilim]

Just another whiney bitch and his take Jon Jones.

These threads pop up everyday now with no originality of theory.

He did pop...so did Sonnen,Vitor, Lesnar, Mir and a slew of other fighters

 

[acannxr]

Just another whiney bitch and his take Jon Jones.

These threads pop up everyday now with no originality of theory.

He did pop...so did Sonnen,Vitor, Lesnar, Mir and a slew of other fighters

You're acting like this thread was created this week, it was made 3 months ago <Lmaoo>. And it's merely a response to Jones' impartial fans who were trying to argue that Jones was innocent or they went as far to say that he was framed, despite the evidence (as shown in this thread) demonstrating that neither theories were true.

And those other fighters testing positive bear no relevance other than Mir (for reasons explained in the original post) to Jones' guilt.

 

[Prince Nephilim]

You're acting like this thread was created this week, it was made 3 months ago <Lmaoo>. And it's merely a response to Jones' impartial fans who were trying to argue that Jones was innocent or they went as far to say that he was framed, despite the evidence (as shown in this thread) demonstrating that neither theories were true.

And those other fighters testing positive bear no relevance other than Mir (for reasons explained in the original post) to Jones' guilt.

3 months and only 8 pages?....your thread sucks. Keeps bumping because you flood it with responses.

I know Jones popped, but you on the other hand dedicate a thread to bringing another man down which isn't respectable in the least.

Tell's me Jones really gets your salty panties in a bunch and you feel the need to lash out because of your own lack of accomplishments and wasted opportunities in life.

Cheer up man.

 

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But a fighter could find a supplement that's contaminated with the substances he's actually ingesting and if he fails a test he can just cite the aforementioned supplement.

Besides, the supplement industry is nothing more than one big scam, UFC fighters would make better use of their limiif you ted money just buying regular food:

yeh,. usada would never go that route. rights of the athlete, especially rights of innocent athletes a cornerstone of the wada code

going the "if you dont write it on your doping control form.." would be a step too far probably.


There are ways though. Im surprised they havnt worked into the athlete express app a way of athletes uploading photos of supplements. so there is a permemant, documented record in their athlete account of anything theyve taken.

 

[Adjutant]

Hahaha. “Oh Deeuh”. Said in a snobby voice

 

[acannxr]

3 months and only 8 pages?....your thread sucks. Keeps bumping because you flood it with responses.

I know Jones popped, but you on the other hand dedicate a thread to bringing another man down which isn't respectable in the least.

Tell's me Jones really gets your salty panties in a bunch and you feel the need to lash out because of your own lack of accomplishments and wasted opportunities in life.

Cheer up man.

I don't make threads hoping that they become popular, what kind of motivations do you have if that's one of the first things you point out?

I presented evidence because of Jones' fans propagating falsehoods. Did you notice I didn't mention any of the other illegal things Jones did? If I truly wanted to "bring another man down", I had plenty of opportunities to do so with Jones. There goes that narrative you're trying to spin .

Jones doesn't evoke anything from me. I enjoy arguing and he just happens to be a relevant topic to explore. If anything, your attempts to make this personal is indicative of how invested you are in this discussion.

 

[TheIrishPsycho]

Shhh....Don't question Juice-head & his nut-huggers "coincidence" theories, TS!

I'm late but im here

It was a set up it was all a setup!! Pure coincidence that his supplements were tainted. Thats a real thing and if not that then DC spiked his dick pills.

Jones GOAT.