Everybody in here's stamina

[True2KungFu]

everybody tries to look at endurance training as such black and white issue nowadays, either all HIIT or all Long distance...

Boom i didnt know you were XC in high school, so was i. In fact, i competed in ammie boxing in highschool (though tkd is my focus now), i was running track and xc at the same time. I was in better shape than every boxer i every fought thanks to XC. People usually think that running distance equates with the bullshit slow paced crap jogging that most middle aged out of shape people do. Not the case, Running distance is something completley different. Shit i used to go to xc practice or even run a race and then go straight to the boxing gym.

However, now my endurance ideas have changed and i like what i do now much better because running eveyr day became a little monotonous. The key to endurance training is variety and specificity. Some days i will do all real intense bag and pad rounds with my kicks, like pyramid kicks, rounds of squat kicks.....etc...... or ill mix those in with burpee rounds, or jumprope rounds... or ill just do all burpee rounds, or all jumprope rounds. Some days i go out and run 3-5 miles, some days ill do series of 100m sprints, or 400 m sprints.

I find that this variety really helps keep me in shape all around, muscle endurance, wind , explosiveness...ring training ....ever ythign. I dont get bored either because i choose sooo many different ways to condition.


Personally though i would like yours and kabukis input on my jumprope routine.

I used to do like the 20 min straight deal, but now i do 6 -2min rounds.........as fast as i can, a jumprope sprint essentially. Did you guys ever try that??? I find it really helps my chambering for kicks becaues i have to raise my knees high real fast and explode off my calves to keep pace, and helps the quickness of my punches cuz im roping as fast as possible. I feel dead as shit after this.

 

[Vilo Magee]

I used to run cross country and play football in the same season. Sometimes i would run a race in the morning and have a game at night. To make it worse I started at fullback and at outside linebacker so I basically in every play except special teams.
Anyways i like that jumprope routine. It sounds like a tough workout. My jumprope routine is just me skipping toe heel toe heel for 4 3 minute rounds. i am not a big jumprope guy for some reason i just have never really enjoyed it.
YEs i think alot of people have the wrong perception of distance running. i dont jog when I do my roadwork I run at a light pace for 1 minute then pick up the speed for 3 minutes with a burts somewhere in that 3 minutes as if I was actually fighting sometimes the burst will be in right from the start and go all the way through the 3 min sometimes it will come in the last 10 seconds. I do however make sure i make at the very least a 8 minute mile pace. Some days for my roadwork I pull my kids in a wagon I built that has a harness, sometimes I run at sunrise mountain so the terrain changes. Sometimes I just jog.
One thing I always do is bring my two pitbulls with me and I usually let them set the pace lol and they can really move.
Also While distance runningis the base of conditioning my workout is conditioning also I dont know to many people who can keep up with me in the gym. i try to d every just as I would in a fight. Also If I am doing shit wrong i dont count that round and have to repeat it for even one mistake.
I do have a suggestion to you though i know these Russian acrobats and one is a 3rd or 4th degree blackbelt in TKD and he does ballet. anwyas this dude is the most flexible cat I have ever seen for as muscular as he is. He can kick straight up like you see the karate people do and he weighs 210 lbs and is thick as a bull but really lean. Anywasy ballet may be something you should look into even if it was a 1 night a month thing maybe it would help you get a level above where youa re now

 

[True2KungFu]

cool deal, yeah i have the utmost respect for ballet and gymnasts , in fact if it was possible id love to do gymnastics as cross training for strength and flexibility, ive seen some chicks that used to do dance and then went into tkd and they had some damn fine kicks. Sounds like your distance running is almost similar to a fartlek.

 

[Bama Zulu]

Ugh. Please don't post such delusions in the conditioning forum. Boxing is hard, MMA is hard, leave it at that. If you've never boxed in a sanctioned event OR competed in MMA in a sanctioned event then just leave it be else you end up sounding like someone who is just spewing repetitious un-proven garbage that is pure speculation at-best.

Anyhow, for the record, distance running does help immensely, and moreso for MMA than Boxing in all actuality because in MMA rounds are longer even though there are less of them. So logic would dictate that the longer you can maintain a set breathing pattern under strenuous conditions (distance running mixed with a form of HIIT), the longer you'll sustain wind during a round.

Boxing doesn't utilize the whole body in such a way MMA does.

 

[Vilo Magee]

Boxing doesn't utilize the whole body in such a way MMA does.

If you are doing it right it damn sure does. I have wrestled alot and my body is sore in alot of the same places as it was in wrestling. If you move your head and body, use footwork, know how to tie up, turn an opponent and throw punches the correct way and block punches the correct way you are expending alot of energy and probably more than mma because you are being explosive for longer periods of time and then constantly active for sustained periods of time.

 

[Vilo Magee]

There is no real rest period in the rounds you are either constantly moving, blocking punches, dodging punches or throwing punches during the whole three minutes there is no laying on top of each other or siitng in your guard when you in a fight with a solid guy he is trying to take you out while you are trying to take him out.
My challenge to all who doubt the power of distance running to go into a professional gym find a decent pro and ask him to spar with you for 12 rounds and see how tired you are.

 

[True2KungFu]

From my experience boxing is much harder on me stamina wise than taekwondo, but i leave a taekwondo tournament in alot more pain. Perhaps its because i have 3-5 fights in one day instead of one.......and kicking peoples elbows hurts like hell. Having boxing experience really really helps taekwondo though cuz ive dropped people with body punches which is usually unheard of, and vice versa, i was a plodding squared up fighter in boxing ...... taekwondo gave me very very very good footwork and movement skills.

 

[Vilo Magee]

I agree with you wrestling seems like a walk in thepark compared to sparring with a good boxer. If your stamina is not in check before you get in the ring you are going to be in a world of hurt. i have seen alot of guys come in and spar thinking they are in shape and then be gassed in 30 seconds wishing they had never put the gloves on.
ALso on the dance clas it is the single best thing I have ever done for my boxing career. When I wasa n amature I would get hit alot from lack of footwork and I also would fumble around the ring due to lack of balance. Now that I take jazz dance class i am quick on my feet my balance has improved and I can move my body more fluidly. I also feel like I can land punches while on the move becaus ei have some rythm. Fr anyone who is stuck at a certain level a dance class will break you through that boundary. Dance class sucks it is sometimes embarrassing but it has made me a much much better fighter. It is funny I tell people I am a dncer and they laugh but when they see or feel me land a tripled up jab the be gone before they know what happened it humbles them. The dance studio I go to now has more boxers, mma fighter than people who just dance because the guys in the gym have seen how much it has helped me.

 

[Gandhi]

Well I am also training for a fight, about a month away. Actually it is two fights, amateur NHB and a MT fight 2 weeks later. I am incorporating running into my routine. I have run a half marathon before (nothing great around 1:45 ), so I am no stranger to longer runs. I used to do combos of some days doing 3 miles in 18:30 and others days, longer 45 minute runs. I remember sparring (boxing) hard for like 5 rounds then going to grappling class and outlasting some good guys gas wise ( I was just starting BJJ then).

Where as now, even though I spar twice a week, my gas does not seem to be there. If I understand do most agree that some longer term running should be done as well as HEIT. Any guidelines for how much of each to put in your workout

 

[Vilo Magee]

Well I am also training for a fight, about a month away. Actually it is two fights, amateur NHB and a MT fight 2 weeks later. I am incorporating running into my routine. I have run a half marathon before (nothing great around 1:45 ), so I am no stranger to longer runs. I used to do combos of some days doing 3 miles in 18:30 and others days, longer 45 minute runs. I remember sparring (boxing) hard for like 5 rounds then going to grappling class and outlasting some good guys gas wise ( I was just starting BJJ then).

Where as now, even though I spar twice a week, my gas does not seem to be there. If I understand do most agree that some longer term running should be done as well as HEIT. Any guidelines for how much of each to put in your workout

I am not sur eI understand what you are askning- do you run distance now or do you just do some sort of interval training.
If you are distance running just incoprate some intervals into that like if you are running on a street with sidewalk lights spring between every third one. If you arunning in a palace with traffic lights sprint in between them. If I am at a red light while running i will shadow box or do squats waiting for it to turn green. Also if you can find a hill run up it lol. I do all kinds of different shit when i am runnning

 

[Gandhi]

Sorry my point was that when i ran more i could spar like a mad man even tho i sparred only once a week. now i spar alot more but without the running my cardio sucks, so i have started running again.


I have added two weekly hard fast paced 30 minute runs (on a mountain path in the middle of the city) - it is a fixed circuit where i am just trying to do faster each time. So for 50% of the time it is all gradual up hill. For the down hill i just run harder to keep the effort up.

i could mix it up, i just like fighting the fixed time, it is a way to ensure that you are punishing yourself a bit more each time, or that you are getting in better shape.

My question i guess was how much running to do , how many time, as well what type of running. I guess the answer is mix it up - if anyone wants to check out my training thread and comment that is appreciated too see http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=281980

 

[GerardSmith7]

I seriously started a war with this thread. Boomstick, i'll take your advice and run. boxingfannomore i will also do other activities.
thanks

 

[Vilo Magee]

Sorry my point was that when i ran more i could spar like a mad man even tho i sparred only once a week. now i spar alot more but without the running my cardio sucks, so i have started running again.


I have added two weekly hard fast paced 30 minute runs (on a mountain path in the middle of the city) - it is a fixed circuit where i am just trying to do faster each time. So for 50% of the time it is all gradual up hill. For the down hill i just run harder to keep the effort up.

i could mix it up, i just like fighting the fixed time, it is a way to ensure that you are punishing yourself a bit more each time, or that you are getting in better shape.

My question i guess was how much running to do , how many time, as well what type of running. I guess the answer is mix it up - if anyone wants to check out my training thread and comment that is appreciated too see http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=281980

Yeah i think you got a good idea right there. One thing i have started to do is carry a timer that has an alarm I ste it for 2.5 min and run at a medium pace ten when the timer goes off I sprint full out similar to a flurry in a fight in the last 30 seconds to win the round. One thing you can also do is mark off certain distances with spray paint on a tree or set up rocks or whatever then run jog sprint in btween each one. I have a course set up here similar to taht very 200 yards I have spray painted a small line on the sidewalk so I know when to change pace.
As far as how much running to do I would aim for at least 4 tiems per week and if possible 5. I try to hit the road 6-7 tiems a week but the 6 and 7 time I do different things like one day I will do football field sprints, rock scrambling, hill climb, a medium walk or whatever soemtime sI even ride a bike and recently i bought a pair of roller blades. Just rember cardio is the key to being on top. And also try to think in the mind set of "if i am not running today my opponent probably is."