Every time a fighter gets up and complains after a TKO, fans cry 'EARLY STOPPAGE'

[jakeharris74]

No that's just your opinion.

Like I pointed out in the OP, Alvarez took the belt from Dos Anjos by TKO, where Dos Anjos wasn't even dropped ONCE.

Alvarez punched him against the cage, and the ref stopped it. 0 knockdowns, championship change.

RDA didn't complain.

Refs are in there to protect the fighters, not to ensure the fans that the fighters are completely out cold before stopping a fight... That's a late stoppage.

Bad example. RDA was done. He was not even holding his hands up defensively (Just feeling out and closing his eyes) and just taking shots. He didn't contest because he didn't even know where he was and was not actively moving in any intelligent manner to get out of the way or evade. If he was doing something intelligent other than just reaching out in front of him like a blind man then you'd have an argument.

 

[TheRassler]

1. Complaining after the fact is not proof that a stoppage was bad.

2. Where is intelligent defense here?

The ref made the decision to end the fight after the second time that he got dropped in 20 seconds.

1. He was never out or close to being finished

2. The ref stopped it so soon, he never even gave TJ a chance to defend himself.

3. It's an early stoppage on any part of the rule, in any commission, in any state, in any fight promotion.

/argument

 

[xMaxPower]

that kind of is a clear indicator that its an early stoppage lol

if youre wobbly when you get up then its all good, otherwise... clear indicator.

 

[s1fys]

2 Knockdowns and 20 unanswered shots in 20 seconds... that's a justified stoppage in any books.

I think it's an understandable stoppage, but Cejudo missed all his punches after dropping TJ the second time. In fact, TJ actively ducked one of them, so it's quite dishonest to claim that TJ was just eating shots after getting dropped.

Also, the numbers don't matter, it's the fighter's reaction that does. Sometimes 1 KD and 2 unanswered shots is enough, sometimes much more unanswered shots with little effect isn't.

 

[Cooliox]

But... DANA said it was a bad stoppage.
AND SO IT SHALL BE WRITTEN INTO HISTORY
Directly after "234 moved because we had to save this fight" and "Jones pulsed Turinab...bahaha get Novitsky in here I can't even finish that sentence"

(seriously @Cooliox great post, if only everyone could read, it would shut down this ridiculous "early stoppage" discussion)

Thanks bro.

Well said yourself. "And so it shall be written" hah! Gold!

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

Had nothing to do with him getting up, was more about him still being in it and going for the single leg. He was hurt but not out of it.

He wasnt going for a single after the 2nd knockdown he had nothing and grabs at air when the ref stops it

 

[Rapshepard]

1. He was never out or close to being finished

2. The ref stopped it so soon, he never even gave TJ a chance to defend himself.

3. It's an early stoppage on any part of the rule, in any commission, in any state, in any fight promotion.

/argument

1. Doesn't have to be unconscious

2. TJ had a chance to defend himself, but he got knocked down again .

3. The man face planted at one point then got knocked down again afterwards.

 

[Cooliox]

Bad example. RDA was done. He was not even holding his hands up defensively (Just feeling out and closing his eyes) and just taking shots. He didn't contest because he didn't even know where he was and was not actively moving in any intelligent manner to get out of the way or evade. If he was doing something intelligent other than just reaching out in front of him like a blind man then you'd have an argument.

RDA was done despite still being composed and standing on his own feet?

But TJ wasn't done even though he was knocked down twice? Lol u wot m8?

 

[jakeharris74]

RDA was done despite still being composed and standing on his own feet?

But TJ wasn't done even though he was knocked down twice? Lol u wot m8?

Composed? Not at all.

Just going back to my original post. It's about intelligent defense. I didn't see TJ doing anything he shouldn't be doing if he had his faculties. I'm sure he was dazed as hell but he was still in there mentally doing what he should to try to stop the power shots and get a break. Dos Anjos, while on his feet, stopped defending and had a brain reset there. He stopped seeing the shots come in and was just waving his arms around like a fish out of water because he had a moment of "????" and he couldn't process, evade, or defend anymore while heavy shots were coming in. That's not intelligently defending yourself. If he was actually doing some intelligent evasion or trying to tie Alvarez up that'd be another story.

 

[TheRassler]

1. Doesn't have to be unconscious

2. TJ had a chance to defend himself, but he got knocked down again .

3. The man face planted at one point then got knocked down again afterwards.

1. Was conscious during the whole fight, never out.

2. TJ was not given a chance after the second knock down, ref panicked and jumped in before TJ could defend himself. The ref had his mind made up of stopping the fight before the fight should've been stopped. Rookie mistake on the ref's part.

3. TJ recovered quickly afterwards but ref panicked and prematurely stopped the fight.

 

[koquerelle]

thats not a good conclusion to make

That’s not a conclusion, but an observation. I saw:
He was never out
I wanted to see him take more punishment
He should have gone out on his shield
Etc.

 

[pick999]

too bad mario wasn't there

 

[Organic Damage]

What's funny is that a guy can hop right up after the stoppage and protest, but he could be flash KOed and not even remember being dropped.

All we're basing our outrage on is the word of an obviously biased participant. Kind of going to have to defer to the ref by default here...

 

[Cooliox]

Composed? Not at all.

Just going back to my original post. It's about intelligent defense. I didn't see TJ doing anything he shouldn't be doing if he had his faculties. I'm sure he was dazed as hell but he was still in there mentally doing what he should to try to stop the power shots and get a break. Dos Anjos, while on his feet, stopped defending and had a brain reset there. He stopped seeing the shots come in and was just waving his arms around like a fish out of water because he had a moment of "????" and he couldn't process, evade, or defend anymore while heavy shots were coming in. That's not intelligently defending yourself. If he was actually doing some intelligent evasion or trying to tie Alvarez up that'd be another story.

Lol, being on your own 2 feet albeit absorbing punishment, is MUCH MORE composure than than getting dropped twice in 20 seconds and eating 20 unanswered shots.

 

[Cooliox]

What's funny is that a guy can hop right up after the stoppage and protest, but he could be flash KOed and not even remember being dropped.

All we're basing our outrage on is the word of an obviously biased participant. Kind of going to have to defer to the ref by default here...

Exactly.

The only reason he's up now, is because the ref stopped the action. If he was still getting his head punched in, he wouldn't be up.

 

[chuckleknuckle]

Had nothing to do with him getting up, was more about him still being in it and going for the single leg. He was hurt but not out of it.

He wasn't going for a single leg. He reached out for the ankle after the ref jumped in. He was being raped.

 

[Filthymaggot]

I feel like too many fans judge the reaction of the fighter towards the stoppage, in factoring whether or not the stoppage was fitting. Yes, many of us are factoring 'hindsight' into the equation.

You must remember, that the referee is in there to PROTECT the fighters, and doesn't have the gift of hindsight or of making up his mind after watching few replays. We fans watch the replay 10 times, analyze how TJ was reacting, then see that he got back up and complained shortly after the stoppage... and cry that it was Early Stoppage.

Here's the fact... TJ got dropped... he took a bunch of unanswered shots... he tried to get back up again, and got dropped AGAIN with a solid punch. At this point TJ was so wobbled that he couldn't get back to his feet. He tried to hug Cejudo's leg, but this wasn't a takedown attempt... he was doing the only thing he could do other than lie down and turtle up.

I respect TJ for not turtling up and quitting, but there was no threat of a takedown from him. He had been dropped twice now in about 20 seconds... and has eaten over 20 unanswered shots.

At this point, the man that is the closest to the action, is the referee. He HAS to make a judgement call. He doesn't have the luxury of weighing in how TJ is going to react to the stoppage, how the stoppage might look on replay. He's the closest to the action, and he has now seen TJ get dropped twice by punches, and then eaten a couple dozen of unanswered punches to the dome.

At this point, the ref STOPS the action, and in turn STOPS Cejudo from applying any more pressure or doing any more damage to TJ who was badly hurt at that point.

Okay, NOW that Cejudo has been pulled off TJ... TJ decides to get up against the cage and complain. Just before that he looked totally out of it and no longer had his hands up when the ref broke the fight. TJ was out of it at that point. Sure, it is now EASY to get up and complain because the other world champion is no longer bashing you in the skull, and not dropping you for the 3rd time while you are trying to get up.

First Knockdown:

Second Knockdown:

2 Knockdowns and 20 unanswered shots in 20 seconds... that's a justified stoppage in any books. Dos Anjos lost his belt to Alvarez without being knocked down even once, and didn't complain. He knew he had eaten too many unanswered shots cleanly to the head. TJ should be thanking the ref for saving him from an inevitable concussion here.

Your second knockdown gif was actually the 3rd knockdown. He got knocked down with an uppercut the first time he tried to stand up and got put back down.

 

[submerged88]

Longo claimed weidman was going for a single when tbe fight was stopped against jacae. Weidman was indeed reaching for a leg like tj but thats all both of these single attempts were, instinctively grabbing for a leg with no ability to finish it.

 

[Rapshepard]

1. Was conscious during the whole fight, never out.

2. TJ was not given a chance after the second knock down, ref panicked and jumped in before TJ could defend himself. The ref had his mind made up of stopping the fight before the fight should've been stopped. Rookie mistake on the ref's part.

3. TJ recovered quickly afterwards but ref panicked and prematurely stopped the fight.

1. Again the fight can be stopped with both fighters being concious

2. TJ got knocked down and faceplanted, he the gets beat on. He tries to get up, but he eats a combo and falls back down again. Cejudo then continues to throw and land as TJ offers no effective defense against it. At that point he's no longer intelligently defending himself.

3. Saying he was okay after Cejudo was pulled off of him really doesn't make a good case for why the fight shouldn't have been stopped. I mean Ronda was
"okay" enough to run to the middle of the octagon and stand dejected after Nunes was pulled off her. Doesn't mean she needed to take more punches though and she didn't even go down.

 

[savantor]

The real problem is the laughably vague “intelligent defense” concept itself. It consistently leads to wildly divergent results because it's based upon an entirely subjective interpretation by the ref.

It's highly likely that nobody ever accused TJ of being a rocket scientist, so for him going for a single-leg was not just intelligent but arguably a moment of sheer brilliance considering the circumstances.