Every other weekend in jail for Cheerleader guilty of rape.

[Cubo de Sangre]

Lol ok. I see how this would go

Says the sensitive Sally who called my thinking "ridiculous" and then proceeded to get butthurt over comments not specifically directed at you.

I said earlier I'm open to the double standard if there is evidence for it and certainly this may play a part in differences in effect. However, without such evidence I think its unethical and immoral to perpetuate a double standard that results in years behind bars for some people and not others.


Like I said earlier, in the absence of evidence the default assumption should be equality. Anecdotal experience and common sense are a terrible basis for propping up a double standard that sends one group to prison for much longer than the other.

The make up comment is silly because its a much more trivial matter and there is evidence to suggest women spend more on make up. Besides, make up is an everyday activity that one is exposed to just living around women. If you're not around minors who've had sex with adults and engaging with them enough to have a meaningful understanding of the effects those experiences had on them then your experience isn't worth much in this arena

Lack of evidence? That men and women think differently when it comes to sex? Are you fucking kidding me? Men are from Mars and women are from Venus, bro. Your position that men and women view sex the same is what needs evidence. You're trying to hang the yolk of proof on me because your position is laughable and for some reason you want to win an argument rather than acknowledge and obvious truth. If someone were to do a study it wouldn't be about if men/women view sex differently, it would be why. I hope you aren't a grad student. :icon_chee

 

[Islam Imamate]

Lack of evidence? That men and women think differently when it comes to sex? Are you fucking kidding me? Men are from Mars and women are from Venus, bro. Your position that men and women view sex the same is what needs evidence. You're trying to hang the yolk of proof on me because your position is laughable and for some reason you want to win an argument rather than acknowledge and obvious truth. If someone were to do a study it wouldn't be about if men/women view sex differently, it would be why. I hope you aren't a grad student. :icon_chee

First off, I never said men and women view sex the same way. In fact I mentioned earlier than men and women do have different reasons for having sex despite pleasure being the number one reason for both.

The evidence I'm asking for is evidence that would justify a double standard in the treatment of male and female sex offenders. If there is no evidence that female adolescents react more negatively to nonviolent sex with an adult of the opposite gender than a male adolescent I don't think there should be a double standard. I don't think calling for an evidence based approach is too controversial.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

First off, I never said men and women view sex the same way. In fact I mentioned earlier than men and women do have different reasons for having sex despite pleasure being the number one reason for both.

The evidence I'm asking for is evidence that would justify a double standard in the treatment of male and female sex offenders. If there is no evidence that female adolescents react more negatively to nonviolent sex with an adult of the opposite gender than a male adolescent I don't think there should be a double standard. I don't think calling for an evidence based approach is too controversial.

What's this talk of viewing things as equal then? But no worries.

Then don't have a double standard. Fine with me. But the standard for males is they wanna fuck during the teen years and calling them a victim when their partner is 25, 35, or 55 (as opposed to 18) is hardly convincing to most of us who grew up with penises. So the issue, as I see it, is that females are either rightly or wrongly protected and when applied to males it's either misguided are doubling down on a mistake already made.

I'll go so far as to say that the attitude that someone can't decide who they want to fuck at ages 15-17 is probably part of whatever has supposedly/possibly been dropping the collective IQ of humanity.

 

[Was Exiled]

Let's stop pretending we're the same for the sake of appearing PC

 

[Islam Imamate]

What's this talk of viewing things as equal then? But no worries.

I'm saying that should be the default assumption in the absence of evidence. I happen to think research in this area very well might end up justifying the double standard, I'd just rather wait for the evidence before perpetuating the double standard.

Then don't have a double standard. Fine with me. But the standard for males is they wanna fuck during the teen years and calling them a victim when their partner is 25, 35, or 55 (as opposed to 18) is hardly convincing to most of us who grew up with penises. So the issue, as I see it, is that females are either rightly or wrongly protected and when applied to males it's either misguided are doubling down on a mistake already made.

I agree here, in some cases I believe the girls are being wrongly overprotected. That's not to say I think male offenders are equally as bad as female ones as a whole given the male propensity for violence but in the case of otherwise nonviolent quasi-consensual statutory rape I just want the double standard to be back by evidence and demonstrable reality.

I'll go so far as to say that the attitude that someone can't decide who they want to fuck at ages 15-17 is probably part of whatever has supposedly/possibly been dropping the collective IQ of humanity.

That's a whole other, messy conversation but I think we might agree there to some extent.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I'm saying that should be the default assumption in the absence of evidence. I happen to think research in this area very well might end up justifying the double standard, I'd just rather wait for the evidence before perpetuating the double standard.

But we have evidence, via common agreement over centuries of gender interactions). You want to put rhetoric over experience, as if we always need some accredited study to validate our observations. While science can trump commonly-held beliefs (and has), damn near nobody honestly believes in gender equality by default. That's where intellectualism loses validity. With the science on testosterone/estrogen alone we can conclude differences. You're being tedious (no offense) with any insistence that nothing can be determined until some "researchers" proclaim it so.

I agree here, in some cases I believe the girls are being wrongly overprotected. That's not to say I think male offenders are equally as bad as female ones as a whole given the male propensity for violence but in the case of otherwise nonviolent quasi-consensual statutory rape I just want the double standard to be back by evidence and demonstrable reality.

There we go. One way or another though we'll be painting with a broad brush. A double standard based on some gender realities is to me more sensible than hanging everyone out to dry in order to pander to the lowest standard of responsibility.

That's a whole other, messy conversation but I think we might agree there to some extent.

Haha, it is messy. Just throwing it out there to hedge any discussion as to why erring on the side of caution (ie mollycoddling) is the most prudent.

 

[ultraninjastar]

I hope some fat guy rapes her and breaks her jaw. Is that politically correct? The judge should be hanged. 18 year old men have been beaten to death in prison for sleeping with 17 year olds they dated for years. I have seen someone stabbed to death at North Kern State Prison for the same thing.
On a side note my friends little brother just turned 18 and got $600,000 from a settlement. He banged his teacher when he was 14. She wasn't a cheerleader but she was good looking I heard.

 

[Islam Imamate]

But we have evidence, via common agreement over centuries of gender interactions). You want to put rhetoric over experience, as if we always need some accredited study to validate our observations. While science can trump commonly-held beliefs (and has), damn near nobody honestly believes in gender equality by default. That's where intellectualism loses validity. With the science on testosterone/estrogen alone we can conclude differences. You're being tedious (no offense) with any insistence that nothing can be determined until some "researchers" proclaim it so.

Common agreement about gender interactions is pretty insufficient IMO since common ideas have been wrong about plenty of other things and with people's freedom on the line I don't quite think that's nearly enough. I see where you're coming from but here I think people are taking the difference for granted. Sure men and women are different in ways that are relevant to sex but are they really so different here? Is it crazy to think some girls out there actually want to fuck their teachers like their male counterparts? I certainly knew many in high school that did and in fact one ended up blowing a teacher, Like I mentioned earlier its in fact women who tend to find older partners more attractive rather than men, though admittedly these cases are an exception for men, so I find it silly to throw the book at men and not women.

Of course, this doesn't apply to violent instances of forced penetration or physical coercion of which men are more likely to perpetrate. In those cases of course they should be sentenced to 20+

There we go. One way or another though we'll be painting with a broad brush. A double standard based on some gender realities is to me more sensible than hanging everyone out to dry in order to pander to the lowest standard of responsibility.

I'm not necessarily asking for the female offenders to get sent behind bars for 20+ years in these cases. Rather, I'm saying we should view similar cases with the genders reversed similarly. If its quasi-consensual(where the minor consents despite that consent not being legally recognized) I think men and women should be more or less treated the same.

Another solution could be to have a therapist or some other mental health professional evaluate the victim to determine the extent of the harm and to allow this expert testimony to factor in the sentencing. If this process was done fairly and in the end it turned out that the male offenders were causing more harm and thus receiving longer sentences I would have no issue.

Haha, it is messy. Just throwing it out there to hedge any discussion as to why erring on the side of caution (ie mollycoddling) is the most prudent.

The thing about that is that girls actually mature sexually faster than boys and that might be very relevant here. Its entirely possible that 14-17 girls are on average much more prepared for sex cognitively and emotionally than boys of the same age range. This is the type of thing I was referring to earlier about counter-intuitive truths.

This whole discussion is very complicated which is why I don't particularly like allowing traditional norms and ideas about sex and gender dominate and instead prefer an evidence based approach even if it ends up validating said norms and ideas.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Common agreement about gender interactions is pretty insufficient IMO since common ideas have been wrong about plenty of other things and with people's freedom on the line I don't quite think that's nearly enough.

Great. And since we agree science has done nothing to disprove what's so obvious we should just lower the age of fucky-fucky to 14 (and play ball with whoever you like), since that's about where puberty and desire kick in. An age gap can work for (assuming experience can lead to positive results) a learned enjoyment of sex as easily as it might work against.

By the way, I'd be interested for people to out there to ask a women if she thinks men and women see sex the same way and report back any (believable) answers to the affirmative. Seriously. So far I asked one woman and got one "are you putting me on"-type stare.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

My sixth grade teacher was a former Dallas Cowgirl. Yeah, lots of crushes in that cohort of students.

I used to shag a Dallas cowboy cheerleader.

Wasn't one of the hottest chicks I've hooked up with. Their looks are usually blown out of proportion because the word "cheerleader" follows them everywhere


Much hotter chicks just walking the streets of Manhattan in the summer time.

 

[skombolis]

Sex for women, particular younger girls, is as much about an emotional connection as it is physical. Sex for boys is primarily satisfying horny cravings and going through a rite of passage. This is not a double standard but a different standard. How many 15 year old guys are going to be all fucked up later in life because they banged their hot 30 year old math teacher? But I bet you almost all 15 year old girls will have self-esteem and trust issues.

Most of it is how we are socialized but a decent portion of it also is that sex to women and men is not the same. Yes women love sex too but there is often much deeper things going on with them at the same time when it involves sex. Particularly at younger ages. These boys are not victims for the most part. And some of the girls probably aren't either. The sentencing should be based primarily on the amount of coercion and psychological damage after as assessed by a shrink. Don't think for a second the younger person can't be the predator either.

Most of this is fucking stupid. A 15 year old can't consent and someone can get 20 years but 2 weeks later when they turn 16 its legal?? Yes there has to be a line somewhere but the punishments should be proportionate to how close to the line someone is and what kind of relationship it is. Hell there have been stories of these kind of cases where both ran away to avoid the one being sentences and they got married and had kids and were still married 15 years later. Not quite the same as some 15 year girl crying in the shower trying to get the stink of some 48 year old chemlab teacher who coerced into sex. These situations are not black and white.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

^^^^^^ Well put.

 

[sideboob]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...d-shattuck-sentencing-20150820-story.html?941


Would a 48 year old man who performed oral sex on a 15 year old girl get the same sentence?

Complete silence from the outrage culture feminists. Coming out the courtroom smiling and shit.

Would hit.

Every other weekend of course

 

[sir loin]

when people on here stop frequenting milf porn websites is when I shed a tear for unfair treatment of female 'pedophile' offenders

 

[ultramanhyata]

I think the sentence should be having to service other 15-17 year old boys until she learns her lesson.

Make it a filmed glory-hole session that is then made available for free streaming on the web and I am firmly on board with this non-traditional sentencing idea. (Yes, I said firmly.) :icon_twis

 

[Awesomesauce]

Sex for women, particular younger girls, is as much about an emotional connection as it is physical. Sex for boys is primarily satisfying horny cravings and going through a rite of passage. This is not a double standard but a different standard. How many 15 year old guys are going to be all fucked up later in life because they banged their hot 30 year old math teacher? But I bet you almost all 15 year old girls will have self-esteem and trust issues.

Most of it is how we are socialized but a decent portion of it also is that sex to women and men is not the same. Yes women love sex too but there is often much deeper things going on with them at the same time when it involves sex. Particularly at younger ages. These boys are not victims for the most part. And some of the girls probably aren't either. The sentencing should be based primarily on the amount of coercion and psychological damage after as assessed by a shrink. Don't think for a second the younger person can't be the predator either.

Most of this is fucking stupid. A 15 year old can't consent and someone can get 20 years but 2 weeks later when they turn 16 its legal?? Yes there has to be a line somewhere but the punishments should be proportionate to how close to the line someone is and what kind of relationship it is. Hell there have been stories of these kind of cases where both ran away to avoid the one being sentences and they got married and had kids and were still married 15 years later. Not quite the same as some 15 year girl crying in the shower trying to get the stink of some 48 year old chemlab teacher who coerced into sex. These situations are not black and white.

Its pretty hard to believe that ignorance like this still exists. Women are just as predatory about sex as men. The idea that a sexually aggressive 15 year old girl is going to be traumatized more then a 15 year old boy would be is shear ignorance.

This is the same stupidity that suggested, women don't watch porn as much as men, or women don't masturbate as much as men, or women don't watch nasty porn like men, or women don't look at guys as one night stands. Its just classical idiocy.

 

[ultramanhyata]

Its pretty hard to believe that ignorance like this still exists. Women are just as predatory about sex as men. The idea that a sexually aggressive 15 year old girl is going to be traumatized more then a 15 year old boy would be is shear ignorance.

This is the same stupidity that suggested, women don't watch porn as much as men, or women don't masturbate as much as men, or women don't watch nasty porn like men, or women don't look at guys as one night stands. Its just classical idiocy.

When I was a teen I became best friends with a guy from another town. We used to rotate sleep-overs on weekends and I ended up meeting and getting a massive crush on a girl from his school. Eventually, after hanging out in a group a bunch of times, I got alone with this girl one night when she was babysitting. We made out and she gave me head. It was my first sexual experience. I was crazy about this girl. Deep in puppy love, if you will.

The next night my buddy and I went to a kegger. I saw this girl there and made a beeline for her. She acted like nothing had happened the night before between us and started hanging all over some other guy that was at the party. She eventually got in his car and drove off with him.

My buddy could see my pain and confusion and tried to explain to me that this girl "got around" at his school. That I should just be glad I got head and let it go.

I can tell you I, literally, wept tears alone in my room over this chick for the next few weeks.

So, yeah, this shit about young males just wanting to blow loads and young females just wanting to bond emotionally rings utterly, utterly hollow. Based first on personal experience and then on corroborating stories from plenty of others, both male and female, over the course of my life.

 

[Awesomesauce]

When I was a teen I became best friends with a guy from another town. We used to rotate sleep-overs on weekends and I ended up meeting and getting a massive crush on a girl from his school. Eventually, after hanging out in a group a bunch of times, I got alone with this girl one night when she was babysitting. We made out and she gave me head. It was my first sexual experience. I was crazy about this girl. Deep in puppy love, if you will.

The next night my buddy and I went to a kegger. I saw this girl there and made a beeline for her. She acted like nothing had happened the night before between us and started hanging all over some other guy that was at the party. She eventually got in his car and drove off with him.

My buddy could see my pain and confusion and tried to explain to me that this girl "got around" at his school. That I should just be glad I got head and let it go.

I can tell you I, literally, wept tears alone in my room over this chick for the next few weeks.

So, yeah, this shit about young males just wanting to blow loads and young females just wanting to bond emotionally rings utterly, utterly hollow. Based first on personal experience and then on corroborating stories from plenty of others, both male and female, over the course of my life.

Its utterly twisted. I was quite the white knight when I was young, I used to think that girls were simply more moral then guys, that they were more pure so to speak. But those delusions didn't survive actual interactions with women. Women are a lot like guys, some are good some are bad, some are slutty and some aren't. This notion that women want monogamy and men want a harem is just a fantasy held over from a time when women were property and men needed a social justification for controlling them. Its weird that so many men remain so blind to these issues.

 

[ultramanhyata]

Its utterly twisted. I was quite the white knight when I was young, I used to think that girls were simply more moral then guys, that they were more pure so to speak. But those delusions didn't survive actual interactions with women. Women are a lot like guys, some are good some are bad, some are slutty and some aren't. This notion that women want monogamy and men want a harem is just a fantasy held over from a time when women were property and men needed a social justification for controlling them. Its weird that so many men remain so blind to these issues.

Amen.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Like I said earlier, in the absence of evidence the default assumption should be equality.

Here's some for you.

I bet there's nobody surprised by this finding. :icon_chee


https://www.yahoo.com/health/who-has-the-more-fluid-sexuality-men-or-women-127560881542.html

Among the findings: Women were three times more likely to change how they labeled their sexuality between their early and late 20s and more likely to say they were bisexual than men.

Men, on the other hand, were more likely to report being either