Ever torn between the advice of your instructor and common sense?

[Ninja Realist]

So last tuesday week after a smashing my deadlift PR by 30 and my bench by 10 I could barely make it through the Muay Thai Class I had that same day. This is after I had been lifting Sunday and doing sprints monday. Then Wednesday rolls around and I wake up feeling like complete shit. I can barely move and after having slept eleven hours I still feel tired. It takes nearly six days of doing nothing and eating everything to even be able to walk right. This was about a week ago. I had never thought I would actually overtrain, I'm 17 I thought teenagers could recover in like nothing flat, but I realize that overtraining is what had me so worn out.

But that's not really the point of my story.

I was talking to my Muay Thai Coach after class yesterday and ask him about how not to over train. He asks me what I do besides coming to class. I told him, " I do cardio, and I power lift outside of class."

He tells me, "Don't powerlift, if you powerlift you're training for two different sports at once. That's why you're getting over trained."

So I ask him, "So I should do lighter lifts?"

"No don't lift weights at all. Focus on doing bodyweight exercises. When you can do a two hundred push-ups in a row then why don't you talk to me about weight-lifting."

I explain to him how I want to get strong for grappling and next wrestling and because I think explosive strength is important.

And then here's the kicker, "You don't want to get big. This sport isn't about getting big. You want to be as strong as you can without putting on weight. You don't want to build up big, inflexible, muscle. You want lean, flexible, muscle."


Now I respect my coach. He was a pro Muay Thai Fighter with a 20-4 Record. But I just refuse to follow that advice. Weightlifiting is important, and I just can't believe that if I want to fight MMA, weight lifting would be a bad thing.

Is this arrogant thinking on my part?

 

[bacon]

He's an MT instructor, therefore you should follow his advice regarding MT.

 

[Lusst]

He's an MT instructor, therefore you should follow his advice regarding MT.

Exactly. Tell him to talk to you about lifting when he can pull 3x his bodyweight.

 

[ghostwipe]

Oh look, it's another martial arts instructor who doesn't know dick about lifting....

 

[Jackson81]

I think you'll be fine. Your body will eventually get used to the stress load you're putting on it. That's what our bodies do. I remember not being able to walk from class to class between wrestling practice around state time and powerlifting for football. You start off feeling like an old man but you get used to it.

 

[rEmY]

Yeah, you're MT instructor probably knows a ton about MT, but dick all about lifting. Although it might not be a bad idea to back off on the lifting a little, if you're doing a full PL program.

 

[iojfm]

My kick boxing coach told me the same when in class I couldn't do 5 push ups. We were supposed to do series of 50 and as soon as I'd hit the fifth rep I'd hit my chest to the floor. Same when I had to middle kick the hell out of a shield and in the last 10 secs I could barely lift my own leg.

I guess they - artial martist instructors, have a point. I feel like I can't do both things at my max at the same time, yet I'm so stubborn I keep on giving my best on both things.

Maybe I just have to get used to the rythm, pace , whatever you call it up there. After a year of inactivity I started almost at the same time weight lifting and kick boxing, this may be the reasong I'm feeling sore all the time. I'm sure in a couple months I'll be better. Well, I hope so...

 

[iojfm]

fuck I double posted. I just deleted all the same crap to make the post shorter and occupy less space!

 

[Henry Swanson]

Again, this all depends on what your goals are. If your goal is to pursue MT then maybe it would be wise to cut back on lifing.

 

[iojfm]

My personal goals are to become a good kick boxer, while improving my strength (don't want to gain size, just strenght. I'm 1.75 mts and 78-80 kgs). After that I plan on taking jiu jitsu classes!

Don't know the goals of the TS, this is his thread why the hell am I talking about me! Don't flame, good bye!

 

[Taylormade]

I would say muscle endurance is more neccessary as far as mt is concerned. Look at Gomi's last fight when your arms are out of gas it doesnt matter how hard you hit your pretty much done. On the flip side there is no reason you cant train for strength and power and endurance. Just make sure your training your technique, cardio and muscular endurance more than your heavy weights. You only need 2-3 days a week for heavy weight training.

 

[JoeU1741]

Try posting this on the striking forum... you may get some different answers...

 

[juanlawnmower]

Is it just me, or is general lifting knowledge not considered common sense?

 

[Martin Plunkett]

Again, this all depends on what your goals are. If your goal is to pursue MT then maybe it would be wise to cut back on lifing.

Bingo. I know everyone here loves to extoll the virtues of heavy lifting and raw power (after all it's the S&P forum)-- but like Sonny said, depending on your goals you might just be killing yourself with nothing to show for it. Depending on your goals heavy lifting for S&P might actually be a stupid thing to do. I know, flame away... but do you think those Tour De France guys should be killing themselves trying to get thier big three and Olympic lifts up there to maximize the almighty atributes of strength and power? Not if they want to win, or even finish a race.

 

[DaTruth]

My personal goals are to become a good kick boxer, while improving my strength (don't want to gain size, just strenght. I'm 1.75 mts and 78-80 kgs). After that I plan on taking jiu jitsu classes!

Don't know the goals of the TS, this is his thread why the hell am I talking about me! Don't flame, good bye!

We're same weight/height. How old are you? I just turned 17.

 

[krellik]

Bingo. I know everyone here loves to extoll the virtues of heavy lifting and raw power (after all it's the S&P forum)-- but like Sonny said, depending on your goals you might just be killing yourself with nothing to show for it. Depending on your goals heavy lifting for S&P might actually be a stupid thing to do. I know, flame away... but do you think those Tour De France guys should be killing themselves trying to get thier big three and Olympic lifts up there to maximize the almighty atributes of strength and power? Not if they want to win, or even finish a race.

Its not that maximum strength wont benefit him. But if he can barely walk of course that will compromise his muay thai training.

I say cut back on weighttraining until it dont affect your muay thai and then slowly build it up to a level your body can handle. In the end no one can tell you that, you have to find out for yourself. Just be fresh at muay thai and make sure your conditioning is up to par and then your coach wont complain!

 

[w0cyru01]

Yeah perhaps cut back on the PL'ing

 

[Ninja Realist]

I don't want to be a pure Muay Thai Fighter. I actually think I'm built more for grappling. But I want to get a solid Muay Thai Base before I start Grappling.

 

[Mark Limbaga]

A martial arts instructor does not mean he knows a thing about strength training

 

[iojfm]

We're same weight/height. How old are you? I just turned 17.

I'm twenty years old! I was like 82 kgs when I did that stupid beach boy routine you all hate on this forum! I dropped like 10 kgs in one year of inactivity and massively going out / getting drunk with friends since I'm in college and oh hell didn't want to be tired 24/7 from gym, rather get some chicks haha. BTW I'm drunk right now just got home from my gfs house... why the hell am i saying all this who the fuck knows haha i just feel like talking to someone even if it's the PC monitor pfft wtf.

Who gives a shit, i'm just gonna spam a lil more with one question...

How did all og you guys discovered the amazing world of MMA? I'm a fucking nOOb I have to admit it. There's no TVed MMA here in Argentina, I found out about it by mistake while youtubing Street Fights I then came across a "vale tudo" video and saw a croatin dude kicking the hell out of people. I searched a bit more and found out his name was mirko filipovic. After that day of octuber 2006 I kinda got fuckign addicted to it and havent' stopped since.

I even started kick boxing classes a few months ago and I'm planning ot taking jiu jitsu real soon...


oh well, sorry for the vervorragic attack. (hope that is a word up there)

greetings!