ESPN NFL Players Poll on QBs: Josh Allen, Brock Purdy, Jalen Hurts, & Tua Taigovailoa divide the league

[ferrisjso]

Like I said least athletic sport nfl fattest yes most stop and go yes most uninteresting play selections and plays in general yes but exiting no. Qb least athletic of them all people were throwing spears since Hunter gatherers and if you watch handball you would see what speed and accuracy in hand throwing is. Trust me rest of the world have sports that play hand and ball coordination sports and qb are least athletic ones

Fica can you at least appreciate the athlethicism of WRs?

 

[Madmick]

"QB are least athletic people"

no. just a different kind of athleticism. and the most natural kind of athleticism there is at that. the only people that say quarterbacks are "not athletic", are the kinds of people that have never seriously thrown a ball in their lives. like most Europeans because you don't have throw heavy sports - whereas Americans have two (American football and baseball). many Americans grow up throwing a ball; thus, Americans understand the genetic gifts it takes to throw powerfully.

I was talking about soccer in the early 1900s; soccer was big in America then because all the immigrants from England, Scotland, Ireland, Portugal, etc. brought it with them to America.

QBs are the least athletic football players, except for kickers, because those are the most intensive skill positions, but it is funny, because the average QB is more athletic than the international soccer superstars who are the most adored among all athletes in that sport for their raw athleticism. That's how low the level of athleticism is in skill-intensive sports like soccer in comparison.

 

[colorles]

Like I said least athletic sport nfl fattest yes most stop and go yes most uninteresting play selections and plays in general yes but exiting no. Qb least athletic of them all people were throwing spears since Hunter gatherers and if you watch handball you would see what speed and accuracy in hand throwing is. Trust me rest of the world have sports that play hand and ball coordination sports and qb are least athletic ones

"people were throwing spears since hunter gatherers". exactly. and that is why the quarterback position is so beloved in America. it's a primal thing.

But lol you bring up handball players. so I will ask you this: have you ever held in your hand a full sized, regulation football? and if you have, have you ever tried to throw it? you will notice that it is both not a particularly small object, and it is not a particularly normally shaped object either. the vast majority of men on this planet, cannot throw a football powerfully and with conviction. It takes at least above average sized hand just to start with. and then you need to be born with the blessed throwing arm. and then some size on top of that. if you've ever noticed, quarterbacks tend to be good sized men - and not "musclebound" or "fatties" like some of the other positions in football. just naturally tall and large framed men.

 

[colorles]

QBs are the least athletic football players, except for kickers, because those are the most intensive skill positions, but it is funny, because the average QB is more athletic than the international soccer superstars who are the most adored among all athletes in that sport for their raw athleticism. That's how low the level of athleticism is in skill-intensive sports like soccer in comparison.

QB is not a skill position, because that implies just about anybody could do it if they acquired the proper skills. no so, given the fact that most men on this planet cannot come close to throwing the ball with the power and conviction of high level quarterbacks. like I said to the other poster: have you ever held a full sized, regulation football, and tried to throw it? it is not by any means a small ball, and it is oddly shaped. most even fully grown men - including athletes from other sports - look ridiculous trying to throw a football. so go pick up a football, try to throw it, and then compare how you throw it to high level quarterbacks. and look yourself in the mirror and try to say with a straight face that "QB is a skill position" when in reality, it is the most naturally athletic thing in all of sport. only naturals can throw a football with genuine power and conviction

 

[fica]

"people were throwing spears since hunter gatherers". exactly. and that is why the quarterback position is so beloved in America. it's a primal thing.

But lol you bring up handball players. so I will ask you this: have you ever held in your hand a full sized, regulation football? and if you have, have you ever tried to throw it? you will notice that it is both not a particularly small object, and it is not a particularly normally shaped object either. the vast majority of men on this planet, cannot throw a football powerfully and with conviction. It takes at least above average sized hand just to start with. and then you need to be born with the blessed throwing arm. and then some size on top of that. if you've ever noticed, quarterbacks tend to be good sized men - and not "musclebound" or "fatties" like some of the other positions in football. just naturally tall and large framed men.

isnt like doug flutie played nfl

 

[Sweater of AV]

Lol at fican breaking out Doug Flutie.

 

[Madmick]

QB is not a skill position, because that implies just about anybody could do it if they acquired the proper skills. no so, given the fact that most men on this planet cannot come close to throwing the ball with the power and conviction of high level quarterbacks. like I said to the other poster: have you ever held a full sized, regulation football, and tried to throw it? it is not by any means a small ball, and it is oddly shaped. most even fully grown men - including athletes from other sports - look ridiculous trying to throw a football. so go pick up a football, try to throw it, and then compare how you throw it to high level quarterbacks. and look yourself in the mirror and try to say with a straight face that "QB is a skill position" when in reality, it is the most naturally athletic thing in all of sport. only naturals can throw a football with genuine power and conviction

You obviously don't know what "skill position" means.

There is a reason that QBs tend to be either smaller, slower, weaker, less powerful, less agile, or a combination of many/all of the above in relation to the non-skill positional players on the football field.

 

[colorles]

You obviously don't know what "skill position" means.

There is a reason that QBs tend to be either smaller, slower, weaker, less powerful, less agile, or a combination of many/all of the above in relation to the non-skill positional players on the football field.

Yeah I can tell you've never thrown a football before. And - with very few exceptions - high level quarterbacks are not small men. no, they are not musclebound or carrying excess fat. but usually just tall, large framed men. I think this picture sums up the quarterback build compared to the massive framed but also overweight linemen

Drew Bledsoe (the white guy in the middle) was 6'5'', 238 pounds in his playing days by the way. With no extra muscle or fat mind you unlike the lineman on the left. that's just a naturally big framed guy with a naturally blessed throwing arm.

and lol if quarterbacks are so much "weaker, slower, smaller, etc" than everyone else on the field...then how come everybody else on the field doesn't just take the quarterbacks job since everybody knows being a QB is the most prestigious position in football and maybe in all of sports. EVERYBODY wants to be the starting quarterback in high school; it is the most chad position in all of sports. and yes, magically, only these "smaller, weaker, etc" guys are finding themselves in the most desired position in the sport? come on now. your math isn't adding up brah

high level quarterbacks are genetic chads of the highest order

 

[Madmick]

Yeah I can tell you've never thrown a football before. And - with very few exceptions - high level quarterbacks are not small men. no, they are not musclebound or carrying excess fat. but usually just tall, large framed men. I think this picture sums up the quarterback build compared to the massive framed but also overweight linemen

Drew Bledsoe (the white guy in the middle) was 6'5'', 238 pounds in his playing days by the way. With no extra muscle or fat mind you unlike the lineman on the left. that's just a naturally big framed guy with a naturally blessed throwing arm.

and lol if quarterbacks are so much "weaker, slower, smaller, etc" than everyone else on the field...then how come everybody else on the field doesn't just take the quarterbacks job since everybody knows being a QB is the most prestigious position in football and maybe in all of sports. EVERYBODY wants to be the starting quarterback in high school; it is the most chad position in all of sports. and yes, magically, only these "smaller, weaker, etc" guys are finding themselves in the most desired position in the sport? come on now. your math isn't adding up brah

high level quarterbacks are genetic chads of the highest order

I can't tell if this is the new anti-Fica troll account.

Kid, I pointed out that QBs are more athletic than the most athletic soccer superstars. Nobody said QBs are sickly. But this brings us to the answer to your question. How come more athletic players don't take the position? Because athleticism isn't the primary factor contributing to who succeeds at the position. Skill and decisionmaking do. I emphasized that as the QB is nearly the ultimate skill position on the football field, athleticism becomes less of a factor in favoring who succeeds at the position. All the ballhandlers/scorers are considered skill positions in the game. First is Kicker, then QB, then WR, then TE, then RB/FB. Do you think WRs aren't athletic because it's a skill position?

QBs tend to be tall because longer arms are favorable to superior throwing power, and because it helps them see/throw over the top of the line in front of them. They tend to be heavier than WR/CB/Safety because they don't have to be as quick, agile, or fast, and bodyweight once again lends itself to throwing power specifically for the reason you've mentioned; because the weight of the ball shifts the force-velocity curve in the strength direction for peak power output in the execution of the throwing motion.

Football is a beautiful sport because there are so many different kinds of great athletes on the field. It's really not like any other sport. You have some of the most tremendous strength/balance athletes in the world on the offensive line and interior defensive line. You have some of the fastest men in the world at WR (also a few at CB). You have some of quickest, most agile, and fastest men at RB or in the secondary. You have these freakishly tall yet still graceful speed-brutes at TE. You have the scariest, largest, most powerful speedmonsters in all the world at linebacker and DE.

But unquestionably the QB position is not home to the best athletes in the sport. That shows up in Combine numbers. Yes, there are some great athletes, there, especially as QBs become more aggressive runners, but as athletic as Lamar Jackson & Patrick Mahomes are, they are inferior to the Tyreek Hills, DK Metkalfs, and Myles Garretts of the league.

 

[colorles]

I can't tell if this is the new anti-Fica troll account.

Kid, I pointed out that QBs are more athletic than the most athletic soccer superstars. Nobody said QBs are sickly. But this brings us to the answer to your question. How come more athletic players don't take the position? Because athleticism isn't the primary factor contributing to who succeeds at the position. Skill and decisionmaking do. I highlighted that as QB is nearly the ultimate skill position on the football field, athleticism becomes less of a factor in favoring who succeeds at the position. All the ballhandlers/scorers are considered skill positions in the game. First is Kicker, then QB, then WR, then TE, then RB/FB. Do you think WRs aren't athletic because it's a skill position?

QBs tend to be tall because longer arms are favorable to superior throwing power, and because it helps them see/throw over the top of the line in front of them. They tend to be heavier than WR/CB/Safety because they don't have to be as quick, agile, or fast, and bodyweight once again lends itself to throwing power specifically for the reason you've mentioned; because the weight of the ball shifts the force-velocity curve in the strength direction for peak power output in the execution of the throwing motion.

Football is a beautiful sport because there are so many different kinds of great athletes on the field. It's really not like any other sport. You have some of the most tremendous strength/balance athletes in the world on the offensive line and interior defensive line. You have some of the fastest men in the world at WR (also a few at CB). You have some of quickest, most agile, and fastest men at RB or in the secondary. You have these freakishly tall yet still graceful speed-brutes at TE. You have the scariest, largest, most powerful speedmonsters in all the world at linebacker and DE.

But unquestionably the QB position is not home to the best athletes in the sport. That shows up in Combine numbers. Yes, there are some great athletes, there, especially as QBs become more aggressive runners, but as athletic as Lamar Jackson & Patrick Mahomes are, they are inferior to the Tyreek Hills, DK Metkalfs, and Myles Garretts of the league.

I think we have a misunderstanding on what "athleticism" is. Nobody gives a fuck about how fast quarterbacks can run. nobody gives a fuck what Tom Brady's 40 time is. The point I am trying to make, is that a rifle for a throwing arm is, in and of itself, an immensely naturally athletic trait. it is NOT something that can be taught. just like some men are naturally very fast sprinters, other men have naturally powerful throwing arms. yes, being tall, of good weight, and having long arms are a big part of that like you mention, and those are all natural gifts.

of course there is more to being a quarterback than just a rifle for an arm. nobody is disputing that. the point I am trying to make, is that THROWING ARM IS NOT A SKILL THAT CAN BE TAUGHT. IT IS A NATURAL, ATHLETIC GIFT. this whole notion that quarterbacks are "unathletic" because they typically cannot run fast 40 times is fraudulent because it acts like being able to run a fast 40 time is the only definition of athleticism. explosive, fast twitch athleticism? anybody with any experience throwing will tell you that throwing a football (or baseball for that matter) with force and conviction is just as much of a fast twitch explosive movement as sprinting is. and what determines how fast, hard and far a man can throw, is entirely determined by genetics. in fact I would say being able to throw powerfully with velocity and distance is THE most naturally athletic gift in all of sports.

Also not everybody you disagree with on the internet is a kid. If there is one thing I have learned on the internet, it is the "internet syndrome" of "everybody else is a 12 year old twink typing from his parents house...except me of course, i'm a -insert such and such alpha male chad blabhalh-". we're all people here, not just text on a screen.

 

[Madmick]

I think we have a misunderstanding on what "athleticism" is. Nobody gives a fuck about how fast quarterbacks can run. nobody gives a fuck what Tom Brady's 40 time is. The point I am trying to make, is that a rifle for a throwing arm is, in and of itself, an immensely naturally athletic trait. it is NOT something that can be taught. just like some men are naturally very fast sprinters, other men have naturally powerful throwing arms. yes, being tall, of good weight, and having long arms are a big part of that like you mention, and those are all natural gifts.

of course there is more to being a quarterback than just a rifle for an arm. nobody is disputing that. the point I am trying to make, is that THROWING ARM IS NOT A SKILL THAT CAN BE TAUGHT. IT IS A NATURAL, ATHLETIC GIFT. this whole notion that quarterbacks are "unathletic" because they typically cannot run fast 40 times is fraudulent because it acts like being able to run a fast 40 time is the only definition of athleticism. explosive, fast twitch athleticism? anybody with any experience throwing will tell you that throwing a football (or baseball for that matter) with force and conviction is just as much of a fast twitch explosive movement as sprinting is. and what determines how fast, hard and far a man can throw, is entirely determined by genetics. in fact I would say being able to throw powerfully with velocity and distance is THE most naturally athletic gift in all of sports.

Also not everybody you disagree with on the internet is a kid. If there is one thing I have learned on the internet, it is the "internet syndrome" of "everybody else is a 12 year old twink typing from his parents house...except me of course, i'm a -insert such and such alpha male chad blabhalh-". we're all people here, not just text on a screen.

Throwing power is a consideration in any assessment of overall athleticism, yes. Even the ancients understood this. That's why Track & Field has the Javelin event.

However, it is a more specialized athletic capability, and a more minor consideration on top of more fundamental assessments of athleticism (such as different assessments of overall raw power production). Furthermore, any avid fan of football knows that powerful throwing capability bears almost no correlation to the best QBs. There are dozens of far more powerful throwers that wash out post-college, never securing a job in the league, even as backups, than the guys we see starting, especially in the postseason.

 

[colorles]

Throwing power is a consideration in any assessment of overall athleticism, yes. Even the ancients understood this. That's why Track & Field has the Javelin event.

However, it is a more specialized athletic capability, and a more minor consideration on top of more fundamental assessments of athleticism (such as different assessments of overall raw power production). Furthermore, any avid fan of football knows that powerful throwing capability bears almost no correlation to the best QBs. There are dozens of far more powerful throwers that wash out post-college, never securing a job in the league, even as backups, than the guys we see starting, especially in the postseason.

yes indeed

I do not agree that it is a "minor consideration on top of more fundamental assessments of athleticism" however. throwing prowess is one of, if not THE, most primal trait that made humans, humans. but in any case, it seems like we are, more or less, on the same page here albeit just arguing the relative weight various athletic facets should be given in considering the overall natural athleticism of a man. I yes I also agree that there is far more to the QB position than just a rifle for an arm (Steve Young being a great example of that), while there are plenty of powerful armed washouts like you said.

 

[fica]

"people were throwing spears since hunter gatherers". exactly. and that is why the quarterback position is so beloved in America. it's a primal thing.

But lol you bring up handball players. so I will ask you this: have you ever held in your hand a full sized, regulation football? and if you have, have you ever tried to throw it? you will notice that it is both not a particularly small object, and it is not a particularly normally shaped object either. the vast majority of men on this planet, cannot throw a football powerfully and with conviction. It takes at least above average sized hand just to start with. and then you need to be born with the blessed throwing arm. and then some size on top of that. if you've ever noticed, quarterbacks tend to be good sized men - and not "musclebound" or "fatties" like some of the other positions in football. just naturally tall and large framed men.

You know what handball I am talking about right. And qb have all the sticky substance wr use on their hands too

 

[fica]

I can't tell if this is the new anti-Fica troll account.

Kid, I pointed out that QBs are more athletic than the most athletic soccer superstars. Nobody said QBs are sickly. But this brings us to the answer to your question. How come more athletic players don't take the position? Because athleticism isn't the primary factor contributing to who succeeds at the position. Skill and decisionmaking do. I emphasized that as the QB is nearly the ultimate skill position on the football field, athleticism becomes less of a factor in favoring who succeeds at the position. All the ballhandlers/scorers are considered skill positions in the game. First is Kicker, then QB, then WR, then TE, then RB/FB. Do you think WRs aren't athletic because it's a skill position?

QBs tend to be tall because longer arms are favorable to superior throwing power, and because it helps them see/throw over the top of the line in front of them. They tend to be heavier than WR/CB/Safety because they don't have to be as quick, agile, or fast, and bodyweight once again lends itself to throwing power specifically for the reason you've mentioned; because the weight of the ball shifts the force-velocity curve in the strength direction for peak power output in the execution of the throwing motion.

Football is a beautiful sport because there are so many different kinds of great athletes on the field. It's really not like any other sport. You have some of the most tremendous strength/balance athletes in the world on the offensive line and interior defensive line. You have some of the fastest men in the world at WR (also a few at CB). You have some of quickest, most agile, and fastest men at RB or in the secondary. You have these freakishly tall yet still graceful speed-brutes at TE. You have the scariest, largest, most powerful speedmonsters in all the world at linebacker and DE.

But unquestionably the QB position is not home to the best athletes in the sport. That shows up in Combine numbers. Yes, there are some great athletes, there, especially as QBs become more aggressive runners, but as athletic as Lamar Jackson & Patrick Mahomes are, they are inferior to the Tyreek Hills, DK Metkalfs, and Myles Garretts of the league.

No nfl player can do what soccer players can do on soccer field but soccer players can do what nfl players do with ease because they are more athletic and conditioned

 

[Madmick]

No nfl player can do what soccer players can do on soccer field but soccer players can do what nfl players do with ease because they are more athletic and conditioned

No, they don't have the side muscles for it.

 

[fica]

No, they don't have the side muscles for it.

Hey soccer is unnatural to nfl play with your foot and athleticism with the foot and ball. While nfl is hand based sport everybody with any athletic ability could do it I mean we have wrestlers playing nfl track playing nfl

 

[Madmick]

I don't know what to tell you. Side muscles are important.

 

[codfather]

Lol at fican breaking out Doug Flutie.

I guarantee he got that from ChatGPT.

 

[Sweater of AV]

I guarantee he got that from ChatGPT.

Good chance. The correct spelling is a pretty good sign figoat has never heard of Doug Flutie.

 

[codfather]

"people were throwing spears since hunter gatherers". exactly. and that is why the quarterback position is so beloved in America. it's a primal thing.

But lol you bring up handball players. so I will ask you this: have you ever held in your hand a full sized, regulation football? and if you have, have you ever tried to throw it? you will notice that it is both not a particularly small object, and it is not a particularly normally shaped object either. the vast majority of men on this planet, cannot throw a football powerfully and with conviction. It takes at least above average sized hand just to start with. and then you need to be born with the blessed throwing arm. and then some size on top of that. if you've ever noticed, quarterbacks tend to be good sized men - and not "musclebound" or "fatties" like some of the other positions in football. just naturally tall and large framed men.

The size of balls in popular sports is completely arbitrary.

If you want to make it somewhat "natural", make the balls the same size, shape, weight, texture and consistency as everyday organic items; like tomatoes, bananas or onions.
I know those things have been "domesticated" by humans, but that just make them even more human-friendly.
The unwieldly size of a basketball or American football clearly favors people with huge hands, as they can comfortably palm the ball, giving them more control.