Equality: Help a Young Grappler Accomplish Her Dreams

trident said:
Because she should be able to wrestle there. That's what matters. She shouldn't have to switch schools. Her school should change and she is doing the brave thing by staying and hopefully changing that place.

That's what young people should be taught to do.

I can't believe I even have to tell anyone this.
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But why is forcing that particular school to let her wrestle so important, when she can switch to a school that already does allow what she wants and can get on the mats that much sooner?

That's the thing, plenty of schools out there would have no issues with her wrestling. Plenty of people switch schools every year to take advantage of certain extra programs, sports or other extra curricular activities. My sister did it for music.

I did sign the petition, but I still wonder why she went this particular route.
 
Some schools are probably concerned about the liability of having a girl fight boys. I agree that finding a school with a girl wrestling team makes more sense.
 
bubkusjones said:
But why is forcing that particular school to let her wrestle so important, when she can switch to a school that already does allow what she wants and can get on the mats that much sooner?

That's the thing, plenty of schools out there would have no issues with her wrestling. Plenty of people switch schools every year to take advantage of certain extra programs, sports or other extra curricular activities. My sister did it for music.

I did sign the petition, but I still wonder why she went this particular route.
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Because this is America. And when someone says "No, you can't do that" it's damn near you duty to go fucking do it.

I didn't realize there were so many bitch ass commies on this site.
 
Signed, cause fuck the church.
 
trident said:
Because this is America. And when someone says "No, you can't do thcognitive 's damn near you duty to go fucking do it.
didn't realize there were so many bitch ass commies on this site.
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Lol yeah! Fuck peoples views, fuck freedom! Your freedom ends where my feelings begin!

The cognitive dissonance going here is hilarious, yeah we should be able to do whatever we want! The school? Oh fuck that they can only do what we want!
 
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trident said:
No, I'm not. You're just too immature to understand American principles. Go back to Russia.
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So American principles are about making everyone else cater to you? Sounds about right.
 
Not going to sign it personally, because it is a private school and I don't think the public should tell them how to run their school. She needs to handle it personally and involve her family in the discussion. If her family supports her, then they will make the decision to place her in a different school if the school wont accommodate her.

I certainly understand the churches point of view in not wanting boys and girls to wrestle together. I can't say I would agree with it in all situations, but in general it is a policy I understand having.

This is a matter between her school, herself, and her family.

Not us.
 
Jmarc said:
Not going to sign it personally, because it is a private school and I don't think the public should tell them how to run their school.
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This is a matter between her school, herself, and her family.
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it's a private school that takes public funds, so the public has a say (legally). you would be correct if the school didn't take public funds (which they're free to do).
 
KAZSoliloquy said:
So American principles are about making everyone else cater to you? Sounds about right.
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American personal freedoms apparently can be brutally hard to understand. I got into a good sized debate here: http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f5...rs-who-dont-have-chip-their-shoulder-2582217/ with someone from Norway, which, btw, is one of the most socialist and collectivist minded nations in Europe, about this and he could not wrap his head around the fact that people who form an institution with their own money have the right to cater to people with a specific culture, religion, belief system, worldview, etc even if you and I find personally find it freaking retarded.
 
PoundSand said:
it's a private school that takes public funds, so the public has a say (legally). you would be correct if the school didn't take public funds (which they're free to do).
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You really misunderstand. Taking public funds means absolutely nothing. In America, everyone has a say about everything no matter what. I, as a Canadian whose taxes do not support this institution at all, also have a right to voice my opinion, and my opinion is that the public should not try to tell a private school how they should operate.

Do you believe you have a right to walk in to the home of someone on social assistance and tell them how to live their life? Or do you believe they have a right to decide how they run their lives?
 
Jmarc said:
You really misunderstand. Taking public funds means absolutely nothing. In America, everyone has a say about everything no matter what. I, as a Canadian whose taxes do not support this institution at all, also have a right to voice my opinion, and my opinion is that the public should not try to tell a private school how they should operate.

Do you believe you have a right to walk in to the home of someone on social assistance and tell them how to live their life? Or do you believe they have a right to decide how they run their lives?
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Those on social assistance have a right to run their lives - but then, those whose taxes pay for said social assistance have the right to determine whether or not they should keep getting it. If they are getting it purely because of irresponsible choices they made, they can vote in someone will not reward their bad behavior. Arguing that what one does their your home is not anyone's business becomes complicated and difficult when other people's taxes have to support them because of the consequences of their bad life choices.
 
Jose Aldo Nova said:
I take no issue with her petition. But I do take issue with her agreeing to go to a school that has a certain set of rules, and then - literally - claiming "inequality."

What exactly did she expect? It's not like she said any of these rules were hidden from her or that they changed the rules after she enrolled.

Hell, if I was the dean of admissions of this private school and held these beliefs, I would have refused her application had I known she was going to pull a turncoat stunt like this.
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There was no wrestling team when she enrolled, so there were no rules about who could be on the wrestling team when she enrolled.
 
Jmarc said:
You really misunderstand. Taking public funds means absolutely nothing. In America, everyone has a say about everything no matter what. I, as a Canadian whose taxes do not support this institution at all, also have a right to voice my opinion, and my opinion is that the public should not try to tell a private school how they should operate.

Do you believe you have a right to walk in to the home of someone on social assistance and tell them how to live their life? Or do you believe they have a right to decide how they run their lives?
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From a legal standpoint, specifically dealing with private schools and discrimination lawsuits (which this is not, at least not yet), public funding means a great deal. There is a difference between what a private school that does not receive public funding can do versus what a private school that does receive public funding can do. Whether that should be the case is a different argument - but it is.
 
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