Enforcing IV Ban

[Velkar182]

Does anyone know how the heck Zuffa et al. is going to make sure no fighter uses an IV after the weigh-in? I am especially interested in this for betting reasons. I don't want to see fighter I bet on going against s much larger, more hydrated version of their opponent.

Any info, videos, or articles on this?

 

[Bogeyman]

It has just been added to the testing criteria. Their samples are tested for traces of the plastics used in IV bags at the same time that they're being tested for PEDs. So they're not actively preventing it, if a fighter does it and gets caught, he/she will be punished a few months after the fact.

 

[Hans Gercmiov]

They can test for the bag.

I've thought maybe they could get a saline solution and just use glass or something. People will find ways around it.

 

[ivory suit]

Good question, I heard that they can test for traces of plastic in the blood, which shows a fighter has used an IV drip to rehydrate. However people have suggested that using glass bottles will be a way to get around this without being caught.

Im curious if Conor or Aldo go back to their hotel rooms after weigh ins, how hard is it gonna be for them to do a quick Iv hydration without getting caught

 

[FeloniousMonk]

It doesn't matter. Cerrone is already publicly
getting a pass. As an ex cheater. You're naive
if you think that this will or has been the only
exception.

 

[DaveHilly]

It has just been added to the testing criteria. Their samples are tested for traces of the plastics used in IV bags at the same time that they're being tested for PEDs. So they're not actively preventing it, if a fighter does it and gets caught, he/she will be punished a few months after the fact.

Wow I had no idea that this is how they're going to do it. Makes total sense if plastics do intact get into the system.

This whole IV ban thing... really, really changes things.

 

[chunglii]

plastic residue, bruh

 

[Sage NorthGOAT]

They can test for the bag.

I've thought maybe they could get a saline solution and just use glass or something. People will find ways around it.

Yeah thats was i was thinking, but didnt wanna give anyone any ideas since i havent seen anyone else point that out.

It will be easy for people to cheat if all they are testing for is the plastic contaminants.

 

[HIMBOB]

It doesn't matter. Cerrone is already publicly
getting a pass. As an ex cheater. You're naive
if you think that this will or has been the only
exception.

Tell me more???

linky??

 

[TRYHARD 2001]

Even if you use the glass IV bottle, you'd still most likely have plastic lines leading into your body, no? In all seriousness, how are people gonna get around this now?

 

[dim_]

Guys...

THEY DO NOT TEST FOR PLASTIC!!!!!!

The test was being put together by the Wada lab in Barcelona and the test was based on DEHP detection or plasticizer detection. Plasticizers basically are agents used to soften plastics in bags, tubing etc.

However, the funding for the test was withdrawn because there were doubts over its effectiveness because DEHP is used widely in food packaging, plastic wrap, water bottles etc etc, and also most medical supply manufacturers are moving away from using DEHP

Some background on the problems with the plasticizer test

http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/news/2012/plasticizer-clouds-cyclists-doping-tests

in early 2011 the plasticizer test was allegedly close to being ratified

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7...cial-implementation-Contador-case-linked.aspx

but then the Contador case went tits up and CAS rejected plasicizers as evidence of transfusion and WADA pulled funding for the test in November 2011

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wada-refuses-funding-for-plasticizer-test/

Unless USADA is secretly working on something in the background that hasnt been ratified, the plasticizer/dehp test is dead in the water

 

[FeloniousMonk]

Tell me more???

linky??

Cerrone pissed hot for diuretics in the WEC.
And apparently, having intestinal issues is excuse
for him to be permitted to use IV despite the ban.
He speaks on it here:



Convenient considering diuretics, when used by
larger fighters cutting a good amount of weight,
provides a significant advantage for cutting weight
as well as after rehydration. Also, diuretics are
commonly used when trying to mask other substances.
So effectively, Cerrone, an ex cheater, is given
potentially, two avenues towards masking for his
title fight. Cerrone is a known "company man" and
is friends with a lot of the exec's in the UFC.
His relationship and character remind me a lot of
this guy:

 

[dim_]

Cerrone pissed hot for diuretics in the WEC.
And apparently, having intestinal issues is excuse
for him to be permitted to use IV despite the ban.
He speaks on it here:

Cerrone has already said he was joking and just trolling. its not true

 

[dim_]

to answer the original question..

Biological passport can be used to detect IV use. It will show up after time if you are using iv

And from before weigh ins USADA can basically visit you whenever, your hotel, your home, backstage, so athletes will have to run and hide stuff everytime someone knocks on the door.

 

[FeloniousMonk]

Cerrone has already said he was joking and just trolling. its not true

The dude's constantly drunk.
Idk about you, but I tend to be more honest
that dishonest when drunk. He probably took
his words back once he woke up half sober
and Lorenzo had a few words with him.

Also, Cerrone is a hard guy to give "the benefit
of the doubt" considering his past.

 

[thechoice2]

Guys...

THEY DO NOT TEST FOR PLASTIC!!!!!!

The test was being put together by the Wada lab in Barcelona and the test was based on DEHP detection or plasticizer detection. Plasticizers basically are agents used to soften plastics in bags, tubing etc.

However, the funding for the test was withdrawn because there were doubts over its effectiveness because DEHP is used widely in food packaging, plastic wrap, water bottles etc etc, and also most medical supply manufacturers are moving away from using DEHP

Some background on the problems with the plasticizer test

http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/news/2012/plasticizer-clouds-cyclists-doping-tests

in early 2011 the plasticizer test was allegedly close to being ratified

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7...cial-implementation-Contador-case-linked.aspx

but then the Contador case went tits up and CAS rejected plasicizers as evidence of transfusion and WADA pulled funding for the test in November 2011

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wada-refuses-funding-for-plasticizer-test/

Unless USADA is secretly working on something in the background that hasnt been ratified, the plasticizer/dehp test is dead in the water

So how do they determine if a fighter used an I.V. to rehydrate?

 

[dim_]

So how do they determine if a fighter used an I.V. to rehydrate?

The biological passport, where your various peices of blood data are monitored and charted over a period of time, should, in theory show up iv use as obviously you are introducing huge volumes of liquid direct into the vein; certainly, if a blood sample is taken from an athlete using an iv, and an athlete hydrating orally, the iv hydrated athetes bio passport should spot it. But its a matter for debate upon how much of effect iv has on the data and for how long (although the fact iv's are banned because amongst other things they are used to mess with biological passport data answers the question really, so rather than an athlete being charged with "using an iv" they would be charged with "bio passport irregularities"). Usada for obvious reasons wont be very forthcoming on their methods.


second option is just good old fashioned, be present, knock on doors, visit hotels, dont give fighters the opportunity to set up an iv.

third option is that usada have secretly worked on a new test that hasnt been ratified or made public by wada.

 

[KillerElite]

Like the IV ban but they need to regulate fighters with weight clauses when out of competition.
No more hendricks, and no more mcgregor size advantage.