Ellenberger has been nothing more than a power puncher on the feet.

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  1. ShreddinMMA

    ShreddinMMA Gold Belt

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    Seriously.

    Sherdog has overrated this man's striking for no other reason then he has some big power.

    He is NOT a technical striker and never has been. It isn't that he is facing better competition. It isn't that he is facing bad style match ups. He's just facing better strikers.

    He just simply has nothing else besides his power on the feet. Just look at his fabulous KO victims. Besides MArquardt, there is no striker worth much of a damn that he has KO'd in the UFC.

    The evidence should have been found in the Macdonald fight. All Macdonald did was jab. Everyone knew that would be coming from Macdonald. And Jake had NO answer for it.

    He's a power puncher who knows how to throw the basic combos. He isn't a developed striker. Stop pretending he is.
     
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    JudoThrowFiasco Charming Quark Platinum Member

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    Jake just doesn't have the mental strength to be a top guy. He cracks when he's on the defensive.
     
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    I remember when Lawler was scheduled to fight MacDonald and posters were saying that Lawler was going to lose because he was just an older, lesser version of Ellenberger.
     
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    pretty much.
     
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    This.

    Lawler is for real. Can't wait to see him get that belt.
     
  7. Nova Q

    Nova Q Banned Banned

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    Ellenburger is such a disappointment. He has the speed, power, and technique that can really do things in the division. He just seems to suffer from confidence issues. He never pulls the trigger. At his best he can beat anyone in the division. But he is so hot and cold you never know which Jake is going to show up.
     
  8. Shammon

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    If Jake had anything remotely resembling a gas tank, he can win fights with his wrestling.

    Lawler has fantastic TDD at welterweight and Jake took him down pretty easily. If he had a gas tank and a gameplan based around wrestling, he could beat Lawler easily. It's too bad his cardio sucks and he wants to strike all the time for no reason.
     
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    Dude just doesn't have the mental fortitude, he's sort of a frontrunner. He either lights you up or gets tagged and retreats into a defensive shell cause he's more worried about his opponents offense than what he can do to prevent it. Dude loses confidence everytime he gets hit it would seem.
     
  10. ThinkBig500

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    Nice contradiction.
     
  11. DoUEvenLiftBro

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    I think Ellenberger's true weakness was shown by his fight with Diego Sanchez. Diego has basically been dominated by 155lbers, and Ellenberger was extremely fortunate that fight was only a 3 rounder or he'd have been TKO'd in the 4th.
     
  12. ShreddinMMA

    ShreddinMMA Gold Belt

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    Except I've been saying this for awhile.
     
  13. ufcfan4

    ufcfan4 Can't Andle The Riddum

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    In my opinion jake has one of the best power doubles out there in the division BUT Lawler took control on the ground too- laughing (acc. to Rogan- would love to see gif evidence) the first time around and easily pulling a reverse to escape and then rolling out from under Jake while he was in his full guard.

    Robbie has a better mental game and pressure game than Jake. Ellenberger is a great fighter and is skilled but he can be rendered tentative in a variety of different fights against different types of opponents. When he tasted the jabs from Rory, he seemed content to just hang back and not put much effort into changing the tide . Against Carlos Eduardo Rocha, the early scare of being out in bad spots after being taken down rendered him tentative for the rest of the fight.

    Jake is great and I believe he is mentally strong but just not as mentally strong as some of these others.
     
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    ShreddinMMA Gold Belt

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    Hunt is a better striker than Cain.

    I wouldn't say Hunt is better competition than Cain.
     
  15. Shinsen

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    He's looked very vulnerable since the Sanchez fight. Dude just doesn't respond well against pressure, and when you're facing an experienced striker, well you know how it ends.
     
  16. ThinkBig500

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    Ellenberger is an incredible fighter when he's "on" and when he's mentally "there," kind of like Rashad Evans. He has the most power of any fighter at 170 IMO (having dropped Condit, which no one else has done, and having finished Shields), great TDD, and his chin is good too. Unfortunately, he lacks the mental fortitude that is takes to be an elite competitor in the UFC, and he will likely be known as the greatest WW that never was (...for long).
     
  17. Shammon

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    Yeah, it seems pretty clear that Jake's problem is mental. His second biggest problem would be his gas tank.
     
  18. yookfarb

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    What is wrong with that? Some of the best boxers and fighters in history belonged to this archetype.

    Not everyone is meant to be Anderson Silva, many of the great ones only have a few moves mastered.
     
  19. Kneepocalypse

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    sure you have. and u waited til after this fight to start a thread about saying how you've been saying this for a while.
     
  20. ShreddinMMA

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    http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f2/rory-going-outbox-ellenberger-2440653/

    Originally posted in this thread: http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f2/jake-ellenbergers-fight-iq-2743465/

    Try again.

    I've been talking about Ellenberger's lackluster striking technique for awhile.
     

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