Elite MMA strikers vs Muay Thai with 4oz gloves

Discussion in 'Muay Thai and Kickboxing' started by ImmigrantMentality, Jan 11, 2019.

  1. king of theRing

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    Mma fans don't even respect them that much. If they do, they make sure to shit on it at the same time. They look way too much into record's as well. Ill never forget the fabio maldonado or anderson silva days when they would praise there boxing, but never realize that all they both have fought in boxing, are literally banana salesman.

    I can say that real muay thai and kickboxing fans do go by skills in fights and the competition and not just the number.
     
  2. Julius_Caesar

    Julius_Caesar Brown Belt

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    Not every MuayThai fighter is the same. Styles make fights and im sure some of them would have problems with good boxers but MuayThai fighters have fought decent boxers in both muaythai and kickboxing for years and have consistently done pretty well. It also depends on the rule set and since this thread is talking about a "stand up fight" then no mma boxers would really struggle landing shots due to the clinch. It changes everything.
     
  3. king of theRing

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    Also i hate the 4 oz gloves. You dont need small gloves with great strikers to have exciting fights. Takes away from the technique more imo. They can knock people out with bigger gloves just fine
     
  4. Tayski

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    Is there a functionality to hide / block crappy threads like this?
     
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  5. SuperLuigi

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    Small gloves means the punchers chance is higher, but the nak muays would win 10/10 decisions.
     
  6. jenspulverizer

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    Won Glory Tournament champ, multiple time muay thai world champ, big wins over guys like Levin. Clearly he's well above guys like lobov and camozzi. I think a better comparison would be Cowboy Cerrone of kickboxing, damn high level but never the best, but gets a ton of attention. Regardless he's an elite kickboxer.
     
  7. jenspulverizer

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    then why did he win a tourney in glory, why was he multiple time world champion MT kickboxer, how did he beat Levin? He's clearly not the best ever but in his prime he was top 10 and that's elite
     
  8. UWanaPlayDaGame

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    ah mate don't even know where to begin. your avatar is beatiful. no one is required to be into a fringe stand up combat sport but please don't pretend to be if you're not. Schilling is not elite ok?

    He was top 10 at MW which is a ridiculously shallow division. Levin is much better than him, it's just that anything can happen in a tournament. he is good after all. a real warrior, real tough, very dangerous. he was just never an elite kickboxer.

    and he never even fought muay thai at a reasonable level - muay thai at his weight class is almost non existent. "muay thai world champion" is not a note worthy achievement if we're talking about high level profesional sport.
     
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  9. aerius

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    Have you actually watched his fights? Levin had him outclassed until he got caught with a wonky punch in the 2nd round of their 1st fight, and the rematch was Levin controlling the entire fight without much trouble. And let's not even get into the crappy footwork and complete dog shit kicks that Schilling has, I'm not even joking when I say there's at least a half dozen women in the UFC with better form, control, and balance on their kicks than Schilling. He's tough, he hits hard, and tends to get into fun fights, but his skills are nothing to write home about.
     
  10. king of theRing

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    Winning a tourney in glory is not hard if not in the stacked weight class. And most americans might go to thailand to fight a couple cab drivers and that's it to say they fought in thailand. Americans are not at that level
     
  11. jenspulverizer

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    you just proved my point dude, Levin is considered ELITE, yet he got knocked out by someone that's sloppy but has power. That's not gonna happen to an ELITE boxer, Lomanchenko, Canelo, GGG aren't going to lose to a guy with shit technique that hits hard. Yet it happens in kickboxing, because they don't have the same talent level. Similar to how in the UFC HW. A guy like Ngannou can come in and fuck most people off because he hits hard and is athletic, even though he has very little experience.
     
  12. Tayski

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    Or maybe, just maybe, things change and are less predictable when you allow a lot more techniques than just using 2 hands.
     
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    Maybe, but I think there's a reason kick boxers and muay thai guys are going into MMA and not vice versa...$$$$$$$$$$ right now there is not much to be made, most of the great talent is going elsewhere.
     
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    What does that have to do with skill level though?

    More money doesn't mean more skill.
     
  15. aerius

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    So in other words you haven't watched the fight. Because Levin wasn't knocked out. He was caught with a wonky punch early in the 2nd and knocked down, then spent the rest of the round trying to recover. By the time the 3rd round started he was back in clear control of the fight and had Schilling on the ropes. Same thing with the overtime round until Schilling got a questionable knockdown.
     
  16. Snubnoze707

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    GSP got knocked out by Matt Serra, does that make Matt Serra elite?

    Boxing is just punches, the chances of parody is less likely. In Kickboxing and MMA their are more variables and more chances to get caught and lose even if you are the better fighter.

    Schilling is a good fighter he's just not ELITE. You won't find a single person that knows anything about the sport claiming he is.
     
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  17. Monte Moku

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    Deontay Wilder is a Boxing world champion, what are you talking about?
     
  18. GordoBarraBJJ

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    Against Yod - everyone listed would get fucking starched.
     

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