Elderly Gentlemen With Military Hats, Pins, Etc.

You're right, of course, we should never blame Veterans for the decisions of the people who conned them. But those veterans who are angry at their leaders are justified in being angry imo. If you're not angry that's nbd to me, but I'm not sure how proud you should be of serving in 'nam and the like

We don't need to accept the war in order to appreciated the sacrifice of those that served.

I have a ton of empathy for Vietnam Vets. They didn't have the Good vs Evil dichotomy that other Vets had and they didn't get the support troops get today - they kinda got the opposite.

And to the OP, I'd rather give a con some love than disrespect a man who had part of his life destroyed by war.
 
Yes I think if you don't best an eye at the thousands and thousands of people who died makes u have a mental disorder.

I give a shit about human life more than you. And I respect the troops. I respect them enough not to send them to fight in some bullshit war for nothing. Perhaps war profitering.

Like Iraq.

1. No one said anything about not batting an eye at war dead. I believe some wars are justified; I believe all wars are terrible.

2. Your self-righteous claim to care more about human life than I do is simplistic and unsubstantive. It is meaningless to care about human life without caring about human freedom.

3. The war in Vietnam was not over nothing. It is ignorant to suggest it was. There is plenty of room for reasonable folks to disagree, but the Democrat administrations that got us involved in Vietnam were clearly trying to stop the military invasion of South Vietnam by the North Vietnamese communists. It was identical in this sense with the Korean War, which though bloodier and more demoralizing was seen through to victory by Truman. The fruits of that victory are easily seen today comparing the two Koreas.
 
I look at soldiers like stuntmen or ice fishermen or something.

Yes, their job is tremendously dangerous and they put their lives at risk. However, it does absolutely nothing for the general population. In fact, it probably harms the general population.

Every single jihadist cites Western military occupation, drone attacks, etc., for their radicalism. They attack the West because the West is in THEIR land, occupying THEIR countries. Ron Paul is 100% right.

So American soldiers essentially put their life on the line to make their fellow Americans more susceptible to terrorist attacks. Their good intentions and the lies they've bought doesn't change these facts.

Lol bye
 
Don't get me wrong. I do respect the fact that individuals went to war brainwashed it was for their country. But at some point you have to wake up and be mad as hell, and seek to right the wrong. Vietnam should have caused a massive overhaul of the system. Politicians and the Supreme Court that upheld the war should have been killed. The military should have become an actual volunteer force. Instead, no lessons were learned and we got Iraq.
 
Possum Jenkins sounds like a badass.
 
I think I give off the impression that obsessively hating the military ruins my moods everyday and consumes my life. It can happen that way sometimes, but I actually feel good about my hatred a great deal of the time too. I feel like I'm one of the few not brainwashed into believing the military deserves respect. Also, I feel I'm over qualified to have ever been in the military(4.00 GPA student) and don't believe another human being should be legally obligated to follow another. I'm glad as fuck I'm not in the military(too nice).

However, I am logically stumped by why the military isn't hated or questioned at all, so I about stuff like the thread topic often.

You had a frightening experience in boot camp. Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

Basically what I'm trying to say is either let it go or become a Sith.
 
Lately, I have noticed a fair deal of senior citizens wearing some tribute to their military service, whether it be a specific branch or some article of clothing that refers to a war that they were in(Korea/Vietnam). I actually had some guy ask me if I'd give him a discount for serving in Vietnam. I wanted to tell him off, but I just turned him down professionally.

I'm honestly astounded by this. I liken referring to military service in a positive fashion to being taken by a master con man, but telling everybody proudly of all the money and time you lost.

What the hell did Korea, Vietnam, or even Iraq/Afghanstan do for this country except waste precious lives and money? Why are service members not angry as hell about how the politicians conned them and risked their lives over nothing? Why isn't anyone correcting such a flawed system of blind subservience, which just enables a furtherance of the abuse-of-power cycle of military decisions and leadership?

Proud to have been a government pawn? It makes no goddamn sense.


Were you touched inappropriately by a drill sergeant during basic bro? And by touched I mean rectally violated? honestly what happened to you dude? the Army was by far the easiest job I've ever had. only a complete dip shit with zero discipline couldn't do what they were asking.

U.S.ARMY typical day

Formation stand there salute the flag

PT easy ass basic calisthenics any average in shape 18 year old male could do with ease. (unless you got a platoon leader that was a "flutter kicker" and even after a certain amount of time I could do two hundred flutter kicks no problem)

SGT's time basic soldering TPP's patrolling, Land Nav, first aid, how to draw a range card,etc

Barracks, and equipment maintenance.clean some weapons, clean your barracks room.

help POGs pull maintenance on some Bradley's

final formation

beer pizzas and porn the rest of the night.

basically rinse wash and repeat for four years. minus preparation for deployments, and major FTX's

After reading your whiney bullshit this past few months .you're starting to convince me that the millions of people that have served honorably in the ARMY were assholes. And that the ARMY as an institution was out to get you there private nobody.

And that whatever you get kicked out for the ARMY was wrong. and that you are special and right.
 
We don't need to accept the war in order to appreciated the sacrifice of those that served.

I have a ton of empathy for Vietnam Vets. They didn't have the Good vs Evil dichotomy that other Vets had and they didn't get the support troops get today - they kinda got the opposite.
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That's a fair point and I tend to agree with you.
 
You had a frightening experience in boot camp. Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

Basically what I'm trying to say is either let it go or become a Sith.

To a degree, I agree. I was fearful, sad, angry, remorseful, and lonely during that experience. I just wanted to be let the fuck out because I made an ignorant mistake. Instead, I was treated like shit. I don't understand why such idiots thought they had the right to keep me. The Captain said some shit to me about untapped potential. I recall thinking, what the fuck? How does being here and saluting you, who I'm likely smarter than, meet any sort of standard of potential? That culture really irked me badly and I still haven't come to terms with it.
 
It's sickening that veterans from Vietnam and Korea still gets shit on by the hippies. Helping our allies in their fight against the communists during the Cold War is no less valiant than fighting against nazis in WW2.
 
Of course we wouldn't. Unless you believe that lie about them hating us for our freedom or because we have McDonald's.

Why don't they target, say, Latin America? They're infinitely weaker militarily (they won't fight back like the West does), they're also Christian, they're "immoral" culturally, etc. They'd be the perfect target to attack and try to convert to Islam.

Western support of the Israeli occupation, endless invasions and endless propping up of brutal dictators are what breed hate and contempt for the West.

What did I tell you about not responding with an over corrective note about western propaganda. You're being lazy.
 
Logically speaking why would anyone be proud of what Vietnam was.


I would be pissed if I was sent there. Bullshit war thst amounted to nothing. So many dead for nothing.

A lot of guys dislike the wars but are still proud to have served in the military. They see it as being part of a larger group of people who they share the experience with. Many have had friends who died there. It's actually kinda hard to explain, I guess like being on a sports team x100.

Still, asking for a discount is stupid.
 
To a degree, I agree. I was fearful, sad, angry, remorseful, and lonely during that experience. I just wanted to be let the fuck out because I made an ignorant mistake. Instead, I was treated like shit. I don't understand why such idiots thought they had the right to keep me. The Captain said some shit to me about untapped potential. I recall thinking, what the fuck? How does being here and saluting you, who I'm likely smarter than, meet any sort of standard of potential? That culture really irked me badly and I still haven't come to terms with it.

You just assume you are smarter than random people you don't know very well? Kinda arrogant.
 
You just assume you are smarter than random people you don't know very well? Kinda arrogant.

They acted like idiots. When someone is suicidal, what the fuck are you talking down to them for and acting like you know them? They acted worse than any retaliatory reactions or thoughts I may have.
 
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