Eh yo Jon what would you do against this?

[Typrune Goatley]

Dc wrestling is on a completely different level, DC is an olympic wrestler while chuck is just a d1
Lol chuck has the advantage on feet? Base on what? Becuase he got ko power? Did you just start watching mma 2 days ago?
Ko power literally mean nothing when you cant hit your target and constantly getting tagged with hundred of kicks, elbow and knee.

DC is a better wrestler than Chuck but Chuck is a better striker with serious KO power at 205. Chuck also had great TDD and ability to stand back up. Chuck had good accuracy, footwork, counters and KO power. Not an easy fight for Chuck but not an easy fight for Jones. Chuck is the one more likely to finish but if it went to the judges, Jones would probably win by kicking and keeping his distance the whole time. But Jones got tagged a lot in his career. Its totally possible Chuck finds his chin and finishes him with a whole 25 minutes to work.

 

[Oooxente]

The fear he would feel looking at those eyes.
Chuckles by right overhand of doom in the first.

And he celebrates drinking mulcinex because nyquil don’t pay him shit.

 

[frye666]

 

[Typrune Goatley]

I hate to break this to you but so many of these pride guys were incredibly overrated. They came to the UFC and exposed.. The pride fanboys hate to hear that but it is a fact. I can cite many examples for you. Other than Anderson Silva and Dan Henderson basically all of the pride guys came to UFC and didn’t do all that well. Mediocre to poor. Mirko Was supposed to destroy everyone in the heavyweight division with ease. He got his ass whooped.

lol what? All the PRIDE guys won UFC belts or fought for titles and countless main events despite being past prime.
Mirko had 120 fights by 2007 and he had surgery right before he came to the UFC. First surgery of his career. He then had to have another surgery after twisting his leg vs Gonzaga. He had several injuries and surgeries in his UFC tenure. Each one kept him out of training for about 3 months.

Anderson, Rampage, Nog, Shogun, Werdum all won UFC titles. Hendo, Hunt and Overeem all fought for titles and were highly ranked for many years. PRIDE guys did great even though they all had dozens and dozens of fights and serious mileage

 

[Dbreiden83080]

lol what? All the PRIDE guys won UFC belts or fought for titles and countless main events despite being past prime.
Mirko had 120 fights by 2007 and he had surgery right before he came to the UFC. First surgery of his career. He then had to have another surgery after twisting his leg vs Gonzaga. He had several injuries and surgeries in his UFC tenure. Each one kept him out of training for about 3 months.

Anderson, Rampage, Nog, Shogun, Werdum all won UFC titles. Hendo, Hunt and Overeem all fought for titles and were highly ranked for many years. PRIDE guys did great even though they all had dozens and dozens of fights and serious mileage

People love to dismiss losses as just being old. Again very often you just went up against a better opponent. How about this? When Jones beat rampage he was 23 barely 24 years of age. He was 23 years of age when he won the title. He had not even been training all that long and he is beating these guys. These are veterans that should have been destroying a young guy like that. But he was so talented he was winning anyway. Look at the striking Jones was displaying against rampage, and compare that to his later fights against in DC. He was not even polished back then. He was just a young, raw piece of talent.

 

[Typrune Goatley]

You are the one that said he was jacked up on something as in he took some huge amount. If you took some huge amount they could not find it. And what they did find was incredibly small.

Probably because he was masking and/or flushing his system. It probably showed up as positive when he was cutting weight because his stomach was more empty. By the next test, it was already gone. Cat and mouse game and he doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt from you. He is a habitual cheater.

 

[Dbreiden83080]

Probably because he was masking and/or flushing his system. It probably showed up as positive when he was cutting weight because his stomach was more empty. By the next test, it was already gone. Cat and mouse game and he doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt from you. He is a habitual cheater.

If he was taking massive amounts of something and this testing organization failed to figure it out. They are not worth jack shit. Because they tested him for one full fucking year. You were saying he flushed his system? These are random. He has no idea when they are coming.

 

[Typrune Goatley]

People love to dismiss losses as just being old. Again very often you just went up against a better opponent. How about this? When Jones beat rampage he was 23 barely 24 years of age. He was 23 years of age when he won the title. He had not even been training all that long and he is beating these guys. These are veterans that should have been destroying a young guy like that. But he was so talented he was winning anyway. Look at the striking Jones was displaying against rampage, and compare that to his later fights against in DC. He was not even polished back then. He was just a young, raw piece of talent.

Because Shogun and Rampage both had bad fucking knees by 2011 and 2013. Those guys were at their best in 2005 and 2007 respectively!

Tell me this...is Neil Magny's decision win over Carlos Condit just as impressive as GSP's? Fuck no. Carlos was much better when he fought GSP. He was obviously past prime vs Neil, just like Shogun and Rampage have been past it for the last decade

If he was taking massive amounts of something and this testing organization failed to figure it out. They are not worth jack shit. Because they tested him for one full fucking year. You were saying he flushed his system? These are random. He has no idea when they are coming.

He did know it was coming. They take samples right before or after the fight. He tried to sneak in one last dosage and tried to mask or flush it but it still showed up on the drug screen. Jones is greedy. Please don't try to act like he was innocent.

 

[baiguishishenme]

What's going on here? Is this thread some sort of magic portal back to 2003?

 

[Fesaine]

DC is a better wrestler than Chuck but Chuck is a better striker with serious KO power at 205. Chuck also had great TDD and ability to stand back up. Chuck had good accuracy, footwork, counters and KO power. Not an easy fight for Chuck but not an easy fight for Jones. Chuck is the one more likely to finish but if it went to the judges, Jones would probably win by kicking and keeping his distance the whole time. But Jones got tagged a lot in his career. Its totally possible Chuck finds his chin and finishes him with a whole 25 minutes to work.

1:chuck is not a better striker than DC
2: jones got tagged a lot in his career? Do you even watch jones fight? He got 65% striking defense, even if jones get tagged clean it won’t ko him because jones got amazing chin.
3: chuck footwork is average at best, very readable and basic.wont work at current high level mma.
Again your whole argument that chuck could beat jones because he got KO power and ignore everything else’s. Jones is 10x the striker chuck is. He got way more weapon, way better striking defense, way better distance fighting, way better distance management, way better timing,way better clinch fighting, way better wrestling,way better submission,and way better top game.
There’s literally nothing chuck than do other than getting embarrassed for 5 rounds.

 

[King in the North]

I would imagine it would look like all of that.

 

[Fesaine]

Because Shogun and Rampage both had bad fucking knees by 2011 and 2013. Those guys were at their best in 2005 and 2007 respectively!

Tell me this...is Neil Magny's decision win over Carlos Condit just as impressive as GSP's? Fuck no. Carlos was much better when he fought GSP. He was obviously past prime vs Neil, just like Shogun and Rampage have been past it for the last decade


He did know it was coming. They take samples right before or after the fight. He tried to sneak in one last dosage and tried to mask or flush it but it still showed up on the drug screen. Jones is greedy. Please don't try to act like he was innocent.

Shogun was literally on 10 fights winning streak and just beat the undefeated machida when he fought jones.youre literally nitpicking at this point.

 

[linvillegorge]

What is the point of a thread like this? Chuck and Jon were from different eras.

It's like the P4P arguments. They're fucking pointless. That BW fighter would be a completely different guy if he was a LHW and vice versa. Chuck would've been a completely different fighter if he was 31 years old right now just like Jon would've been a completely different fighter if he came up in Chuck's era.

 

[Credo]

*Gustafsson

 

[20falarVerdades]

Jones stiffens Chuck

 

[Typrune Goatley]

Shogun was literally on 10 fights winning streak and just beat the undefeated machida when he fought jones.youre literally nitpicking at this point.

Nitpicking=Shogun having his third knee surgery right before he fought Jones?

 

[Britbug]

Because Shogun and Rampage both had bad fucking knees by 2011 and 2013. Those guys were at their best in 2005 and 2007 respectively!

Tell me this...is Neil Magny's decision win over Carlos Condit just as impressive as GSP's? Fuck no. Carlos was much better when he fought GSP. He was obviously past prime vs Neil, just like Shogun and Rampage have been past it for the last decade


He did know it was coming. They take samples right before or after the fight. He tried to sneak in one last dosage and tried to mask or flush it but it still showed up on the drug screen. Jones is greedy. Please don't try to act like he was innocent.

This is how I know you're lying to discredit Jon Jones. Rampage didn't have bad knees prior to the Jon Jone fight. Rampage specifically said Jon Jones ruined his knees by kicking them backwards. Before that Rampage was on a win streak the only fight he lost was to Rashad and Griffen(a fight he actually won)

 

[Typrune Goatley]

1:chuck is not a better striker than DC
2: jones got tagged a lot in his career? Do you even watch jones fight? He got 65% striking defense, even if jones get tagged clean it won’t ko him because jones got amazing chin.
3: chuck footwork is average at best, very readable and basic.wont work at current high level mma.
Again your whole argument that chuck could beat jones because he got KO power and ignore everything else’s. Jones is 10x the striker chuck is. He got way more weapon, way better striking defense, way better distance fighting, way better distance management, way better timing,way better clinch fighting, way better wrestling,way better submission,and way better top game.
There’s literally nothing chuck than do other than getting embarrassed for 5 rounds.

1. Yes. Chuck is a better striker. DC has very solid striking and pressure game but I have never seen DC KO somebody with a headkick or KO somebody while backpedaling with a precision shot like Chuck did.

2. Jones got tagged by Gus, Machida, DC and plenty other times. What makes you think Chuck couldn't touch his chin?

3. Lol at "current high level MMA." Have you seen the 2018 LHW lineup? Is that actually high level to you?

And Chuck is a better striker than Jones in many ways. Jones is just a better wrestler but it's not easy to hold prime Chuck down. If Gus could beat up Jones like that imagine what Chuck would do.

 

[Typrune Goatley]

This is how I know you're lying to discredit Jon Jones. Rampage didn't have bad knees prior to the Jon Jone fight. Rampage specifically said Jon Jones ruined his knees by kicking them backwards. Before that Rampage was on a win streak the only fight he lost was to Rashad and Griffen(a fight he actually won)

Rampage was far past his best. Last time he looked truly great was when he KO'ed Chuck and then had that war with Hendo. He then went literally crazy and had that incident with the police and then lost to Forrest and never was the same

 

[Britbug]

I think the irrational Jones hate comes from a place of spite and envy

A lot of men hate the fact he's a young millionare, had more than what they could dream of in his early 20's and on top of that he's black. It reminds them too much of the NFL or NBA and what they despise. I've seen it in my own family so I wouldn't be shocked.