Just finished writing up this really detailed "Initial Impressions" on Ediroc and this glove but it got deleted upon posting for being logged off...ERRRRRRRRR!!! Here is my 2nd effort (the first write up was great...this one, so so. It's late, I'm tired, but I'm going to get something in) Long story short...kind of... Gloves came in today, initially ordered a month ago. Apparently Ediroc was still working out issues with Amazon and their retail transitional period. Package was an oversized box, folded multiple times to make a smaller box, half smashed and poorly taped. No labeling, no invoice, just packing paper and the gloves. Gloves were wrapped in this cellophane type bag and boy did they reek! Not of that beautiful room enveloping leather smell--but of that cheap plasticky 99 cent store smell. The gloves have a nice look to them but upon closer inspection you can see the "ok at best" craftsmanship. No popped stitches but there are lines that were re-done and some that aren't the cleanest/straightest. Leather seems to be of fair thickness but is not the softest. It is also excessively wrinkled for some reason... The gloves fit snug, and when talking symmetry, the right glove is significantly tighter fitting than the left. There's a bit of palm/thumb pinching going on in the right glove at the inner thumb seam. Liner is a plush fabric material. Feels nice but I do prefer the nylon type--I find it easier to keep clean and wipe down before drying out. The liner is somewhat looser in the left glove which is weird because generally the fabric type liner is easier to keep taut in the glove versus nylon. Foam/Padding feels good, but unfamiliar. I am simply talking gloves on hand here, I have not trained in them yet...foam feels like its definitely on the medium/denser side. If I had to describe the feeling of the foam I would say it reacted lazily, if that makes sense? As if its slow to regain its form again after being depressed. Laces are too short, so short that they don't even go around the glove once. You need long enough laces in order to properly tie a lace up glove and the ones these gloves come with don't cut it. So here's the backstory... It took a good long while just to be able to see these gloves on the market again. My curiosity arose when Csquared posted a youtube review of these gloves and I thought well maybe Ediroc had made some changes. Despite having read Clamp's and Strat's reviews on them I decided to pull the trigger and go for it. I made several attempts to contact Ediroc via calls and emails however I did not get a single response (for awhile they only offered the option to buy in bulk). Back to the gloves taking a month to get here... They were supposed to arrive within 5-7 business days according to Amazon, but that was not the case. I call Ediroc and to my surprise they actually picked up. They ended up giving me some BS reason about Amazon not being ready to push their product and blah blah. So the gloves ship 2 weeks later. Anyways, I'm on the phone with Ediroc and me being cheap and frugal and all, I ask if any type of compensation would be made to the customers that had to deal with their transitional period and shipping delays. Their response was "we apologize but we currently do not have any type of compensation packages available". Ediroc is advertising a "premium" product, with a "premium" price tag, and I believe it should come with some "premium" customer service. While on the phone I inquire about a couple details I wanted to clarify: 1) Are these the version 2's? Check 2) WIll they be the same model Csquared reviews in his video? Check 3) Are they "hand-made in Mexico" as advertised on their website and on Amazon? Ch..Ch....Chhhh......NO...WTF DO YOU MEAN NO THEY'RE NOT? "They are actually being manufactured in PAKISTAN" Well then why are they being labeled as HAND MADE IN MEXICO??? "We had a few pairs made in Mexico and sent them to Pakistan to be re-manufactured" After receiving the gloves I believe all 3 of my questions to have failed. They still have the stupid "hypervelove II" screen print on the inner wrist, the supposed newer model had the redesigned "H2" logo via the model Csquared had reviewed, and the Ediroc rep straight up told me that they're really not made in Mexico. THERE'S EVEN A LITTLE TAG THAT SAY'S "HECHO EN MEXICO" INSIDE THE GLOVE, BUT IT'S NOT TRUE!!! Can you say FALSE ADVERTISEMENT??? That was the whole selling point for me... Not really sure what to do with these gloves. I know I will be contacting Ediroc tomorrow regarding these issues but I really wanted to get a performance review in down the line. Not sure if I am even going to keep them to be honest. For those of you that are interested, they retail for $135. I was able to get free shipping at the time but I believe it is now $15 for shipping. I got suckered and I know it. Some of you are probably going to tell me I could have gotten better gear from Topboxer, Mohsin, or Jason over at 1v1....and well...I DID!!! So there's a quick little insight with my sub-par experience with Ediroc and their H2 16oz glove....I'll have pictures posted up tomorrow.